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Old 02-07-2017, 6:35 PM
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Maybe some light at the end of the tunnel for more Garands!

http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...s-nonsensical/
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That sounds like good news for sure. Finally someone with common sense is stating the truth.
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I have been hearing warnings for years though that any U.S. Arms making their way back from Korea will be rusted out beaters so yay, but small case yay.
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When CMP runs out of Garands, then and only then will the Korea garands come home.
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I served a year in S.Korea when I was in the army, back in the mid 80s.
Saw a lot of US surplus equipment, jeeps, helicopters, artillery, etc. They seemed to look as good as the day they were issued. They took really good care of their equipment, I would suspect that those Garands are in good shape. JMHO
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I am actually looking forward to getting some of the other banned items back into the country. Namely the Norinco firearms that are so huge up in Canada right now, cheap Norinco ammunition, and 7N6 5.45x39 ammunition. Those would make me far happier than shot-out, beat to hell M1s. I mean, if the M1s are in decent shape, that is one thing. But everything I have heard leads me to believe that these are tomato stakes.

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In addition to the $300-400 SKS and SVT our northern neighbors are enjoying plentifully.

And SVDs , or maybe Russian AKM parts kits w original barrel.

I will see it when i believe it but a guy can dream

Its way past time to dump the Clinton/Bushx2 era bullcrap eo's
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So you hate American manufacturing. You all approve of chna and Russia dumping ammo/firearms made by slave labir that puts Americans out of work?

This free market thing is tough.
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According to an article in swat magazine Korea still has a bunch of the M1's that are still "canned".
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So you hate American manufacturing. You all approve of chna and Russia dumping ammo/firearms made by slave labir that puts Americans out of work?

This free market thing is tough.
Wow, thanks for lumping all of us (You all) together in your little rant!

I thought we were talking about C&Rs, being imported into the US.
Not current production stuff!
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Is someone going to buy a $700 mini 30 or $800 us made al when a sks is $300

What about " surplus " chinese /Russian ammo?

They flood usa with cheap and end us manufacturing.

Tough nut to crack for the USA..USA...USA.. folks.

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Back in the day when the surplus Chinese stuff came in there was still plenty of U.S. made arms and ammo on the market. Now, if China is allowed to export arms and ammo to the U.S. there will be buyers. Bill Ruger was one of the main proponents of banning cheap imports, and backed the assault weapons ban of both Bush 1 and Clinton. Who was going to buy a Ruger when you could get a Chinese SKS in those days for 100 +/-. Now that Rugers are in the 700+ range, and in Canada, SKS are still under 300 Canadian, it is the same thing. However if Trump is a true free market president he should allow the Chinese and Russian stuff in to compete with the U.S. stuff. If he isn't a pure capitalist, and more of a protectionist, then you will still have to buy that 750 mini 30 rather than an SKS.
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Is someone going to buy a $700 mini 30 or $800 us made al when a sks is $300

What about " surplus " chinese /Russian ammo?

They flood usa with cheap and end us manufacturing.
You can currently buy an SKS cheaper than a Mini30.

As to the ammo, the U.S. made 7.62x39 is about $1.00 per round. People are already buying cheap imported ammo like Tula, Wolf and Brown Bear.
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you will see $150 or less Chinese ammo

made from our scarp steel
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made from our scarp steel
Last time I bought 7.62x39 the going price was about $70 per 1000rds... yeah, it's been a while.

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made from our scarp steel
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I'd take you on with a logical argument, but I can not take you seriously until you correct your grammar and spelling! Your three posts ****!
Use spell check!
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Back in the day when the surplus Chinese stuff came in there was still plenty of U.S. made arms and ammo on the market. Now, if China is allowed to export arms and ammo to the U.S. there will be buyers. Bill Ruger was one of the main proponents of banning cheap imports, and backed the assault weapons ban of both Bush 1 and Clinton. Who was going to buy a Ruger when you could get a Chinese SKS in those days for 100 +/-. Now that Rugers are in the 700+ range, and in Canada, SKS are still under 300 Canadian, it is the same thing. However if Trump is a true free market president he should allow the Chinese and Russian stuff in to compete with the U.S. stuff. If he isn't a pure capitalist, and more of a protectionist, then you will still have to buy that 750 mini 30 rather than an SKS.
The U.S. firearms manufacturers were major lobbyists on behalf of the GCA of 1968 that cut off surplus imports. We've seen this show before.
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I have no problem with the market being flooded with cheap import guns. Not only will it widen our choices by a ton, it will put pressure on some manufacturers to lower prices on overpriced guns (looking at you Ruger, with your way overpriced Mini 14 and 30!)
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Rugers are in the 700+ range, and in Canada, SKS are still under 300 Canadian,..... if Trump is a true free market president he should allow the Chinese and Russian stuff in to compete with the U.S. stuff. If he .....a protectionist, then you will still have to buy that 750 mini 30 rather than an SKS.
Even with a 35% import tax on the commie gun it will still be cheaper.
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I see no problems seeing C&R guns being imported again. They are completely different than anything being produced today. Those who want a new Remington bolt action rifle aren't going to buy a 70 year old gun instead just because it's less expensive. The same would apply to semi autos - people who want a Ruger will still by a Ruger.

As for ammo, cheaper imported ammo is already here so why worry over that?
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So you hate American manufacturing. You all approve of chna and Russia dumping ammo/firearms made by slave labir that puts Americans out of work?

This free market thing is tough.
This is one thing I can see happening. The current administration continuing to bar the import of these cheap firearms to help out our American manufacturers. I really hope not though.
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So you hate American manufacturing. You all approve of chna and Russia dumping ammo/firearms made by slave labir that puts Americans out of work?
What in the SamHell is LABIR??? Is that some of that NEW ENGLISH they were gonna' teach us 50 years ago?? It's L-A-B-O-R. Geez, it's elementary grammar.
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One thing though, is that retailers already know what we are willing to pay for this ammunition. If ammo was to be imported again, cost would go down. However, I do not think it will go down to say, $0.17/rd for 7.62x54R again. Once 7.62x54R goes to around 25-30 CPR, it will fly off of the shelves just because of the comparison as to what it was before.
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I see no problems seeing C&R guns being imported again. They are completely different than anything being produced today. Those who want a new Remington bolt action rifle aren't going to buy a 70 year old gun instead just because it's less expensive. The same would apply to semi autos - people who want a Ruger will still by a Ruger.

As for ammo, cheaper imported ammo is already here so why worry over that?
I personally agree. However I could see that from a business point of view, all of those people who bought surplus rifles could have potentially bought your product instead had the option not been available. They look at it as sort of an opportunity cost. Honestly this is the first I've learned about Ruger doing this. I will probably remember this next time I'm considering one of their products.
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I type mostly on phone. I don't have tiny dainty fingers. Feel free to ignore 8===>


Enfield, a Chinese SKS in "tactical " stock with 1,000 rounds for $400 will fly off shelves

A "sniper" mosin nagant/t53 in tactical stock and $30 acog on top of a 880 crate of heavy ball priced $4-500. .....

China will sell big time

And they would shoot plenty decent to hit the chinese steel gongs
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I served a year in S.Korea when I was in the army, back in the mid 80s.
Saw a lot of US surplus equipment, jeeps, helicopters, artillery, etc. They seemed to look as good as the day they were issued. They took really good care of their equipment, I would suspect that those Garands are in good shape. JMHO
I appreciate your service and first hand observations, but I prefer to base my conclusions on anonymous talking head internet comments that were regurgitated from other internet comments that were based on what someone overheard from some balloon head retail gun store clerk whose neighbor's dad who was there on secret government business (OPSEC) and said those guns were garbage, scavenged from the bottom of the bay by post war Korean pearl divers.


But seriously, I went to Korea on .mil duty too and saw a lot of surplus U.S. equipment and vehicles that were in great shape. The ROK soldiers are a well disciplined force and seemed to keep everything in immaculate condition. I am willing to bet tons of post WW2 and Korean War militaria ended up in ROK supply depots and became obsolete or was used for garrison and drilling purposes only without seeing any hard campaign use.

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I appreciate your service and first hand observations, but I prefer to base my conclusions on anonymous talking head internet comments that were regurgitated from other internet comments that were based on what someone overheard from some balloon head retail gun store clerk whose neighbor's dad who was there on secret government business (OPSEC) and said those guns were garbage, scavenged from the bottom of the bay by post war Korean pearl divers.
Orest Michaels is a balloon head retail gun store clerk? He is the one that said they were in pretty bad shape.
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Orest Michaels is a balloon head retail gun store clerk? He is the one that said they were in pretty bad shape.
Let's be honest, even if they are in "bad shape", they're gonna fly off the shelf so I don't see what the point in arguing it is.

Unless you're a special case or have thousands of dollars invested in embargoed firearms, more guns and more bullets are a good thing (for the consumer) no matter the condition.
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Orest Michaels is a balloon head retail gun store clerk? He is the one that said they were in pretty bad shape.
My post is a general caricature of the types of people who spread FUD on the internet. Not directed at any one specific person.

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Let's be honest, even if they are in "bad shape", they're gonna fly off the shelf so I don't see what the point in arguing it is.



Unless you're a special case or have thousands of dollars invested in embargoed firearms, more guns and more bullets are a good thing (for the consumer) no matter the condition.


Let's also be honest... I love the CMP but they could list gilded dog crap and it will fly off the shelves. For instance...the lots old old used Greek toothbrushes from inside the garand stocks that were auctioned off and hit almost 60 bucks.


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I would like to get a couple of factory Swedish barrels for my 96/38 Swede Mauser. They can buy them in Canada, but not in the US. So I hope the import ban is lifted.
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