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Old 01-31-2017, 8:56 AM
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Can you help me determine if this rifle has an antique receiver? And does the fact that is has been sporterized change its antique or C&R status?

The receiver is stamped "1894" but I was not sure if that was the actual year of manufacture.

Normally I would not bother with a sporterized rifle but this one is chambered in 6.5x55 which I reload for an have an abundance of bullets. The bore looks pristine and it has a rear diopter and front globe site.
I assumed the stock is a modern after-market but it does have some crests stamped on it (see pics below).

This site seem to indicate the SN of this rifle (A4640) was made in 1894.
http://masterton.us/German1893
The first 1893 Mauser rifles and carbines were made under contract by in Germany by Ludwig Loewe, later DWM. Distinguishing characteristics of the German contract rifles and carbines are:
1) Spanish crest and year of manufacture on receiver, "Berlin" on Loewe rifles, "Obendorf" on Obendorf rifles. DWM rifles do not have the Spanish crest. .
2) Manufacturer's markings on left receiver rail.
3) Rifles have approximately 29" barrels, carbines have approximately 17" barrels.
4) Folding leaf (flip up ladder) rear sights.
5) No thumb cutout on left receiver rail or gas escape hole in left side of receiver, although the gas escape holes were added later on some examples.
This does have a thumb cutout and gas hole.
:6) Bolts have flat surface on the bottom of the bolt face to aid in cartridge feeding.
I did not notice if the bolt was flat on the bottom.

[I]Serial Numbers: The models with the Spanish crest (most of them) have the typical pattern of a letter followed by four numbers. The following figures and serial numbers for imports to Spain diring the 1890's are courtesy of Jack Carnahan, who is doing surveys mostly on contract Mausers produced for export.
Adding up everything gives about 325,000 contract rifles imported into Spain in the 1890's.
1) Loewe "standard marked" rifles (like most of the above): Serial numbers from A81XX to D34XX in 1894; E17XX to U17XX in 1896. Roughly
200,000+ total.

http://www.rawles.to/Mauser_FAQ.html
"[COLOR=#000000]M1891/1892/1893 Spanish rifles, all are pre-1899"





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Since it was manufactured by Ludwig Lowe it is a antique.
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What he said. Lowe became DWM in 1896. so if it is marked Lowe, it is that date at the latest.
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Where are you getting 6.5 x 55? Is it marked somewhere? I would think anything Spanish would be 7mm or converted 7.62.
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I should have taken pics of the entire rifle.
Any thoughts on the crown stamps on the barrel and stock? I thought these were not originally chambered in 6.5x55. The stock is very clean and unblemished, but would the crowns indicate it was an arsenal job? Were these refurbished as target rifles like a National Match rifle?

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Old 01-31-2017, 11:22 AM
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Where are you getting 6.5 x 55? Is it marked somewhere? I would think anything Spanish would be 7mm or converted 7.62.
It's stamped on the barrel. I thought I took a pic of that but I guess not.
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The fact that it is sporterized does not alter or change its antique status.

Does the Star of David there mean it spent some of its military life in an Israeli arsenal before becoming sporterized?
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The fact that it is sporterized does not alter or change its antique status.

Does the Star of David there mean it spent some of its military life in an Israeli arsenal before becoming sporterized?
No idea. This site had one blurb:
http://masterton.us/German1893
"Note that both have the six-pointed "Star of David", which would seem to refute the story that the star was put on Loewe-made firearms because the family was Jewish. Also note the "saturn" logo. Possible alien connection?"
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Those sure look Swedish. They are on the wrist of the stock, just aft of the trigger guard? The top looks exactly like the one on my Swede M38, and the one below with the S would mean it (the stock at least) had work done at Stockholms Tygstation, Stockholm.

Here is the stamp on my Swede:

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Note how my second pic shows the crown stamp on the barrel. So maybe someone sporterized this using a Swedish barrel and stock?
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I always figured your rifle wasn't classified as an antique until your bullets started bouncing-off a cardboard target.
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I always figured your rifle wasn't classified as an antique until your bullets started bouncing-off a cardboard target.
Haha. You stand down range wearing a suit of cardboard and lets see what happens.
I have 2 Swedish Mausers in 6.5x55 and they are probably my most accurate milsurps. The limit is my aging eyeballs with iron sights. I would love to scope one.
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Note how my second pic shows the crown stamp on the barrel. So maybe someone sporterized this using a Swedish barrel and stock?
Certainly possible, odd, but possible. Can you post a photo of the whole rifle? How long is the barrel?
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Haha. You stand down range wearing a suit of cardboard and lets see what happens.
I have 2 Swedish Mausers in 6.5x55 and they are probably my most accurate milsurps. The limit is my aging eyeballs with iron sights. I would love to scope one.
I have a Tikka T3 for that. Talk about a freakin' laser beam.
I have a bubba'd 96 and a Kimber Sporter. All good shooting guns.
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Certainly possible, odd, but possible. Can you post a photo of the whole rifle? How long is the barrel?
Sorry, I failed to get a pic of the whole rifle. I would guess the barrel was 24" to 26", it did not look to be as long as a 29" Swede.
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The thumb cutout is on the Swedish 96 stock and there is no cutout in receiver because that feature was not incorporated until the 96.

It's a good shooter Spanish Mauser. Do the numbers match on the receiver, bolt, barrel, etc? Is the bolt handle turned down or straight?
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It's just a parts gun... Spanish receiver Swedish stock, and probably barrel. In the second pic you can see where the stock has had it receiver cut out filled with bedding compound...Unless it's around $100 I would pass... Who knows who did the work, and it has zero collector value.

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Does the Star of David there mean it spent some of its military life in an Israeli arsenal before becoming sporterized?
No the star is just a Lowe proof...

Pic of my Lowe Spanish 1893 rifle...With star proof.


Same proof Lowe made Chilean 1895 rifle.


Lowe star on Lowe made Brazilian 1908 Mauser.
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The thumb cutout is on the Swedish 96 stock and there is no cutout in receiver because that feature was not incorporated until the 96.

It's a good shooter Spanish Mauser. Do the numbers match on the receiver, bolt, barrel, etc? Is the bolt handle turned down or straight?
I didn't notice if the numbers match. No visible number on barrel. The bolt is turned down.

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It's just a parts gun... Spanish receiver Swedish stock, and probably barrel. In the second pic you can see where the stock has had it receiver cut out filled with bedding compound...Unless it's around $100 I would pass... Who knows who did the work, and it has zero collector value.
This is a CA LGS so it's well north of $100. Priced at $350.
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This is a CA LGS so it's well north of $100. Priced at $350.
I'd pass at that price, plenty of Chileans with worn or non-matching stocks but matching metal available for far less.
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lol. All you guys thinking it is a Swedish Mauser. Look at the markings. It is an 1893 Spanish Mauser. It may have a new barrel put on it, but it is still a Spanish Mauser.

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lol. All you guys thinking it is a Swedish Mauser. Look at the markings. It is an 1893 Spanish Mauser. It may have a new barrel put on it, but it is still a Spanish Mauser.

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Sorry, who thought it was Swedish? The stamps on the stock and barrel certainly are, but nobody said the rifle was a Swede.
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stock looks like my M96 swede but rest of rifle is not. probably restocked with what was handy at the time.
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Here's a few more pics. This is at Barnwood Arms in Ripon if anyone is interested. It has a Redfield rear diopter sight.

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That looks surprising well done, and looks like a handy, light little rifle.

I wouldn't pay $350 for it, but still looks like a fun little rifle.
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At least the bolt matches...

It's amazing the work some put into these back in the 50's and 60's....
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It is a really nice sporter job. The black circle where the brass stock disk would be is completely flush with the rest of the stock. It almost looks like you can see wood grain under the black, which makes me wonder why the black circle is there in the first place.
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Haha. You stand down range wearing a suit of cardboard and lets see what happens.
I have 2 Swedish Mausers in 6.5x55 and they are probably my most accurate milsurps. The limit is my aging eyeballs with iron sights. I would love to scope one.
I got a 45/70 Trapdoor he can stand I front of!
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It is a really nice sporter job. The black circle where the brass stock disk would be is completely flush with the rest of the stock. It almost looks like you can see wood grain under the black, which makes me wonder why the black circle is there in the first place.
Likely an 'ebony" plug inletted into the disc recess.
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