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Hello Trap,
I have a Model 53 25-20 Serial #236
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Made Jan or Feb in the first year of 1924, with 2,458 made that year.
That's a rare one, made 1924 to 1932, with total production of 15,110. They had their own serial numbers sequence from 1924 through the end of 1927. In 1928 to 1932 they were in the Model 1892 sequence.
Munky, Michael is compiling a comprehensive survey on Model 1892's and and their variations. The information on your rifle would be very valuable to him, as well as Winchester history. Email him at 2bitrifles@gmail.com with "Winchester Model 53" in the subject line. He will want clear close up pics on certain features of the rifle. In return, he can give you the exact DOM to the day, and any information a Cody letter will contain.
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Thanks Trap,
I'll shoot him an email.
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Hi,

How about a 1873, SN 400790b, .32 WCF, octagon barrel?

Thanks in advance.

Oh, and if one needs parts, where would one look?
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How about a 1873, SN 400790b, .32 WCF, octagon barrel?

Thanks in advance.

Oh, and if one needs parts, where would one look?
Made late 1891, with 38,901 made that year.
"Parts" covers a wide spectrum of sources, some specialize in sights, others stocks, others just screws. Give me a list of what you need/want, and I'll be happy to find you the best places and prices.
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Made late 1891, with 38,901 made that year.
"Parts" covers a wide spectrum of sources, some specialize in sights, others stocks, others just screws. Give me a list of what you need/want, and I'll be happy to find you the best places and prices.
Thank you much!

I know the it's missing the firing pin; I've ordered a take-down manual from homesteadparts.com so I can dive into it a little deeper and see what's missing.
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Thank you much!

I know the it's missing the firing pin; I've ordered a take-down manual from homesteadparts.com so I can dive into it a little deeper and see what's missing.
they are really easy to take down and put back together.

Hey Trapp, might be selling this in Reno in a few weeks
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they are really easy to take down and put back together.

Hey Trapp, might be selling this in Reno in a few weeks
Selling?
I told ya what happens after you get married!
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Selling?
I told ya what happens after you get married!
hahaha...actually my wife made me buy a new shotgun for duck season!
I am selling the rifle because i am looking to put a Model 66 in my collection!
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Hi Trapp,

I have 1984 #487109, 30 WCF with octagonal rifle barrel.

Thanks for any info.
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I have 1894 #487109, 30 WCF with octagonal rifle barrel.

Thanks for any info.
Made early in 1911, with 55,356 made that year.
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By the way guys, saw a Winchester 1895 Russian on GB. seems to be in very worn but original condition. Some repairs needed to the furniture.

Seller wants $1200.
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Made early in 1911, with 55,356 made that year.
Thank you for the info!
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For a co-worker, how about:

"A Winchester Model 37 - 12 gauge,single barrel shotgun? It's a "red letter" edition. It has "Winchester" in red lettering on the bottom"

Thanks on his behalf !
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Model 37's were not serial numbered. There were 1,015,554 made between 1936 and 1963. "Red Letter" guns were made from 1936 to 1948.
Model 37's had four different versions.
The First Version was the pigtail, made for a short time.
Second Version has a Small Hammer.
Third Version has a Big Hammer, Hammer was turned down.
Fourth Version has a Big Hammer that's turned up.
Barrel lengths and gauges are a big factor in value too.
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Model 37's were not serial numbered. There were 1,015,554 made between 1936 and 1963. "Red Letter" guns were made from 1936 to 1948.
Model 37's had four different versions.
The First Version was the pigtail, made for a short time.
Second Version has a Small Hammer.
Third Version has a Big Hammer, Hammer was turned down.
Fourth Version has a Big Hammer that's turned up.
Barrel lengths and gauges are a big factor in value too.
Thank you, I'll let my co-worker know of your response. And thanks for the very quick response !!!
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I have a 1906 with a serial of 151993b or 337106 and a 1894 serialed 149298 the 94 has a rear 200yd flip up sight!
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I have a 1906 with a serial of 151993b or 337106 and a 1894 serialed 149298 the 94 has a rear 200yd flip up sight!
The 1906 might be one or the other? Or the receiver has one number, and the tang has another?
Ser# 151933b would be a Model 1890 number from 1902.
Ser# 337106 would be a Model 1890 number from 1907, or a Model 1906 number from 1912.
Model 1906's were made from 1927 until 1942 from parts cleanup using Model 1890 receivers. What number is stamped where, and does it have a round or octagon barrel?
Your Model 1894 was made in early in 1902, with 31,362 made that year. Winchester had dozens of friont and rear sight options, can you post a pic of your sights and I can ID them for you.
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I have a Winchester 1895 Russian Contract, with a serial number of 368109. Has the [Xn3] stamps, so it was deployed in Russia. I know these were made between 1915 and 1917, and the serial numbers on the 1895's weren't exactly sequential. Does your book give any specifics on the Russian contract rifles as far as dates/quantity produced in a given year?
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Info I posted on your thread is most of what I have. Can't find my notes on the serial numbers for the first shipment.
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Made late in 1916, with 188,756 made that year. Your rifle was in the second and final shipment that was started 8/27/15, and completing the order 12/1916 , serial numbers 174,234 through 377,412 were in that shipment.
300,902 Model 1895's were made between the start of 1915 and the end of 1916. About 85%? were Russian contract, many didn't get shipped and ended up here being sold as surplus.
1895 production numbers by Year for 1914 to 1918:
1914 - 14375
1915 - 112146
1916 - 188756
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Info I posted on your thread is most of what I have. Can't find my notes on the serial numbers for the first shipment.

1895 production numbers by Year for 1914 to 1918:
1914 - 14375
1915 - 112146
1916 - 188756
1917 - 3607
1918 - 18
Thanks for the info Trap!!
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Hey Trap, it's not mine, but I was looking at it today. A Winchester 1907, serial number 1752. The guy selling it said it was 1909. I think it's probably 1907
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Hey Trap, it's not mine, but I was looking at it today. A Winchester 1907, serial number 1752. The guy selling it said it was 1909. I think it's probably 1907
About Feb of 1907, with 9,534 made that year.
Made from 1906 to 1957, chambered in .351 WSL, with a total of 58,733 made.
The 1907 is a WWI vet, France, UK, and Russia all had orders delivered. The French order had the rifles converted to select fire with 20rnd mags, re-designated the Model 1907/17. The 1st Aero Squadron in 1916, had 19 of them in aerial support of General Pershing as he went after Pancho Villa.
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Hey Trap,

Thanks so much for doing this.

I have Winchester 1887 Lever action 12ga Serial 23359

Thanks,
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One more for you Trap if you don't mind. Winchester 1897, Serial number 578712. Some sites say 1913 some say 1914 and 1915. Any definitive date?
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Thanks so much for doing this.

I have Winchester 1887 Lever action 12ga Serial 23359

Thanks,
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Made early in 1889, with 3262 made that year. Made from 1887 to 1901 with a total of 64,855 made.

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One more for you Trap if you don't mind. Winchester 1897, Serial number 578712. Some sites say 1913 some say 1914 and 1915. Any definitive date?
Made Jan-Feb of 1913, with 34,688 made that year.
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Just read the first post and I'm curious about my two Winchesters, both in 32-20 with octagon barrels.

I have a 73', serial 624196B that other sites date to 1907 that I'll be selling soon and a 92', serial: 792729 that comes up as shipped in 1915. Close?
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Just read the first post and I'm curious about my two Winchesters, both in 32-20 with octagon barrels.

I have a 73', serial 624196B that other sites date to 1907 that I'll be selling soon and a 92', serial: 792729 that comes up as shipped in 1915. Close?
1873 serial 624196B was made in mid 1907, with 17,978 made that year.
1892 serial 792729 was made Nov-Dec of 1915, with 23,674 made that year.
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1873 serial 624196B was made in mid 1907, with 17,978 made that year.
1892 serial 792729 was made Nov-Dec of 1915, with 23,674 made that year.
Awesome, thank you sir!
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Model 65 218 bee Winchester SN: 1002877
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Model 65 218 bee Winchester SN: 1002877
Caliborn, Bert is going to want info on your rifle for a Model 65 survey. Email him at Win1885@msn.com , put Model 65 .218 Bee in the subject line, and tell him Trap sent you.
65's are rare enough, more so in .218. That makes for a lot of fakes made from Model 92's. Your rifle falls into the correct serial number range. There were also a lot of factory re-barrels done, and a lot of non factory re-barrels done.
On the top of the barrel, is there a proof mark of an Oval with a P, or WP?
Remove the forearm, on the bottom it should have 218B and a two digit date code too. Let me know what you find, and we'll go from there.
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It has a wp on both barrel and receiver. Under the forearm is a letter B and 37 and a little triangle between the two. It also has a varmit master scope on it.
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Need to correct myself, haven't had much sleep this week.
Model 92's are rare in .218 Bee. It was the more common chambering in the 65's, but there were less than 6000 made. Introduced in the 65's in 1937, and the .219 Zipper in the 94's same year.
WP in oval is a factory installed barrel, P in oval is a mail order barrel.
Bert will want the info on this one, and he'll need pics. Their serial numbers are within the 1892 numbers, but the polishing room records for 65's are incomplete. Bert has the records for about 1000 of them though. Email him, he can give you far more info than I can.
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Thanks a lot for your help I emailed Bert last night.
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Let us know what he tells you.
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Hi Trap,
What can you tell me about a Winchester 1894 chambered in 30 WCF, #1533812?
Thanks.
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What can you tell me about a Winchester 1894 chambered in 30 WCF, #1533812?
Thanks.
Made later part of 1948, with a record year production of 147,934. That's what I call post war getting back to business!
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The 1906 might be one or the other? Or the receiver has one number, and the tang has another?
Ser# 151933b would be a Model 1890 number from 1902.
Ser# 337106 would be a Model 1890 number from 1907, or a Model 1906 number from 1912.
Model 1906's were made from 1927 until 1942 from parts cleanup using Model 1890 receivers. What number is stamped where, and does it have a round or octagon barrel?
Your Model 1894 was made in early in 1902, with 31,362 made that year. Winchester had dozens of friont and rear sight options, can you post a pic of your sights and I can ID them for you.
Here's a couple pics of my to classics!
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Here's a couple pics of my to classics!
Standard Carbine ladder sight, used on 1873's to 1894's. Earlier ones had the model number stamped under the stop screw.
That 1906 is a puzzle, tang number is too early for a parts clean up rifle. The round barrel and stocks say 1906, and the receiver serial says 1890, so I'm guessing it was born as a parts cleanup, but someone changed the trigger group at some point later on.
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