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Old 12-12-2016, 8:26 PM
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Question Opinion Needed-Spanish 1916 Mauser Bolt Action 7x57

I saw J&G Sales had them for $179.95:

http://www.jgsales.com/spanish-1916-....-p-80642.html


It kind of intrigues me - you thoughts?
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I've had one in 7mm for quite a while now, it's a handy, accurate rifle.

The problems you hear about with some of the 7.62 versions of the 1916 haven't applied to my 7mm 1916.
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I saw a few of them at the store... Pretty beat... But the 7mm is a great round...If you want a shooter it would be a cheap way to go.. Not much collector value due to condition, and the Spanish rifles don't have any much value.

It's a rifle for $180... Pretty cheap for steel and wood!!!
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If there 'good' rating is the NRA 'good' rating then expect the rifles to be good and worn.

GOOD: In safe working condition, minor wear on working surfaces, no broken parts, no corrosion or pitting that will interfere with proper functioning.
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So how high do those shoot at 100 yards? Closest sight setting is 300, right?

Those were used in the Spanish Civil War, right?
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I say go for it at a price of $180. It may not be in perfect condition but I bet it makes up for it with character. And at under $200 it's not a major sacrifice if it turns out bad. I bet it's a fine rifle though, just a bit rough around the edges.
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In the condition listed they are going to be beaters for sure...but chances are they are going to be shooters as well. If I had interest in expanding my ammunition collection to include 7mm I'd jump all over this deal.
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The Spanish Mausers that I know of use a Mauser type action that closes on cocking. Much like the Swedish Mausers and British 303s. They are great actions, just not as desirable as the k98 Mauser action.

7X57 ammo is as expensive as it is rare.
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The Spanish Mausers that I know of use a Mauser type action that closes on cocking. Much like the Swedish Mausers and British 303s. They are great actions, just not as desirable as the k98 Mauser action.

7X57 ammo is as expensive as it is rare.
A quick search on google found some for under $20 a box. If you reload it's not a big deal. It is not as cheap as .308 in bulk but that's why it's a hobby.
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I got one of these in 7.62x51 rated in the same condition. They are definitely beater rifles. You get what you pay for, which isn't necessarily a bad thing so long as you don't have very high expectations. I was pleased when the rifle that showed up looked better than what they had pictured on the web site.
Buy it, shoot it, see if you like it If you don't like it, you can always sell it for around what you got it for, maybe a little less. Either way, you won't be breaking the bank.
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The Spanish Mausers that I know of use a Mauser type action that closes on cocking. Much like the Swedish Mausers and British 303s. They are great actions, just not as desirable as the k98 Mauser action.
Yeah, it is a 1893 type action, small ring, cock on close, and is not as strong, and doesn't handle gas as well as the 1898.
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7X57 ammo is akin to:

303 Brit
6.5X55
7.7 Jap
765 Argentine

Great cartridges, of yesteryear. Ammo is available in limited selection. And when ammo costs more that GI 7.62 FMJs then I call that expensive.
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I had an 1895 Chilean short rifle in 7x57. Nice shooter, but I'm just not much of a C&R guy unless it is a Garand.
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As the others have noted, these rifles are likely to be a bit one the... rough side. They should function, and send the bullets in generally the right direction. Mostly. But don't expect superb accuracy from them. The 7x57 is a very good round. Ammo is uncommon, but not scarce. If you reload, it is a piece of cake. These all appear to be later models, with the Tangent sight instead of the Lange Vizier (roller coaster) sight, which makes them a bit less collectible.

If you want a 7x57 Mauser, these are always a good way to get into them for not a lot of money. The action is strong enough for the round. And it will likely be a shooter, not a safe queen, so no reason not to take it shooting. The price isn't horrible.

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I got one of these in 7.62x51 rated in the same condition. They are definitely beater rifles. You get what you pay for, which isn't necessarily a bad thing so long as you don't have very high expectations. I was pleased when the rifle that showed up looked better than what they had pictured on the web site.
Buy it, shoot it, see if you like it If you don't like it, you can always sell it for around what you got it for, maybe a little less. Either way, you won't be breaking the bank.
Be careful with shooting full power 7.62 NATO out of a small ring Mauser like the 1893 Mauser rifles - there are reports of them exploding, like the FR-7 carbines which were similarly converted. They made a specific 7.62 CETME for this purpose which has much less internal pressure but the same external dimensions as 7.62 NATO.

Large ring Mausers like the FR-8 are OK though.
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Mine came into the gun shop today. Overall it looks very good considering the condition described. It is very dirty and in need of a good bath. The wood shows a few dings but is in very good shape except for an interesting repair behind the action. No obvious pitting on the metal and dose show some lite surface rust. The bore is dark but has strong rifling's. No broken parts that I could tell and it is missing the cleaning rod. Has an what seems to me to be an unusual three digit serial number with a prefix letter. No marking apparent on it except for the Serial numbers. It should clean up very well. Here are some pictures.










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Anyone else get one of these?
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I got one in 7.62x51... looked about the same as yours when it showed up, but yours has more blue left on it.
I took it apart and hit the wood with a steamer. That lifted some of the little dings out of the stock, then I hit the wood with some bronze wool and tung oil. It cleaned up pretty nicely actually. Not sure if I'll ever shoot it, but whatever.
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It will have a serial number under the handguard IIRC.
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Finally caved and ordered one of these (in 7mm), and it showed up today. Pretty filthy, but bore looks pretty good. Seems to be complete (including sling and cleaning rod), with the exception of missing the front sling swivel, which was replaced with a twisted piece of wire.

I'll post some photos later.
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I saw some with roller coaster sights. Were these the earlier made german ones made for Spain?
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I saw some with roller coaster sights. Were these the earlier made german ones made for Spain?
No. By the time they made the M1916, they were all being made under license in Spain. The Lange-Visier sight was only made on the earlier production models. I believe it was dropped in favor of the more common, lower cost tangent sight some time in the 1920s.

If the rifle in question lacks any markings other than the serial number it could mean any one of several things. The first, and most likely is that it was made during the Spanish Civil War, which was long, brutal and ugly. Guns were cranked out as fast as possible by whichever side controlled the factory at any given point. Markings took time and effort that neither side felt like wasting. The second possibility is that it was made by one of the smaller shops using parts that were "liberated" from the factory to arm whichever faction did the liberating. The third, but much more uncommon possibility is that it was made elsewhere in Europe to M1916 specs, and sent in to support one of the factions covertly. I have only heard rumors and second/third-hand stories about this, and I don't have any documentation for it. However, there were several companies in Europe at that time that were buying up anything that could shoot, and selling to one side or the other. Sometimes these guns were scrubbed, sometimes they weren't. Sometimes they were converted to 7x57 or 8x57 mauser, and sometimes they weren't. Which leads to the forth possibility, that it was a Spanish-made gun that was exported, but then scrubbed and returned to Spain to arm somebody.

One other note about many Spanish Mausers. One of the reasons most of the earlier production rifles have mis-matched bolts is because the Spanish usually stored the rifles and bolts separately in the arsenals. When several of these arsenals fell early in the war, the mobs that overran them didn't know about matching serial numbers. Most of them were not all that familiar with firearms to begin with. So they simply slapped bolts into rifles with no particular attention paid to the numbers on either. In their defense, they were usually under a great deal of pressure, and needed the firearms to fight the other side very quickly. But that is why you rarely see the earlier rifles with matching numbers.

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OK, here it is, haven't cleaned or done anything to it yet, it is filthy:










Crown looks OK, bore looks good as well.



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Still, for $179 I can't complain at all. Will post more photos after I clean it up.
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Also, what bayonets fit these?

Looking here, it looks like the 1913 is the correct one, but will any Spanish (pre K98 pattern) bayonet fit?

http://worldbayonets.com/Bayonet_Ide...n/spain_2.html

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I've never tried anything other than a 1913 on mine. I found my bayonet for it at the big reno show with a decent scabbard for $40.

That one I think will clean up nice, if it shoots as well as my old 7x57 beater does you'll be happy.
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Emcon that rifle is about as filthy as I've seen. It looks like it will clean up nicely though with some elbow grease. Maybe have a beer or two while supervising your son doing the cleanup work.

Let us know how it shoots.
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Finally got a chance to strip it down, and it is the filthiest rifle I have ever bought, which is no small statement compared to the No4 I got last year. It was a struggle getting it apart, had to do quite a bit of tapping and hammering, the bottom metal was pretty much glued to the stock with some sort of greasy dirt, as was the handguard to the barrel and sight assembly. I was afraid I was going to damage the HG taking it off, but thankfully it came off ok, lots of tapping on the bottom with a block of wood.

There is some pitting under the handguard, but the steel under the stock line is actually pretty good. After a good scrubbing, it has a date with a electrolysis tank.

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I am pretty optimistic on how it will turn out.
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Not bad for the money.
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