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Old 02-06-2017, 10:29 AM
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Default Educate me on K31's....

What to look for, good signs, bad signs, collector years, non collector years, etc.
Good link to read up on it?
Looking for a shooter.
Whats the going rate?
What do ZFK '55 models go for?
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I'll ask that some of the users here answer most of it, but the zfk55s are anywhere from $2,500.oo to the minty ones between $4,000.oo a $5000.oo
Go here for in-depth user info. http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=528460
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Old 02-06-2017, 11:58 AM
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I used to think Swiss rifles were expensive and inaccurate.

Turned out I was just a cheapskate and a poor marksman.
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Get something with a good bore, then shoot the snot out of it.

I had to tighten the action screws on mine when I first got it, as they don't have the mauser type screw that stops it from backing out.

Buy GP11 by the truck load. You will not surpass it with handloads, so just save yourself some time.
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Get something with a good bore, then shoot the snot out of it.

I had to tighten the action screws on mine when I first got it, as they don't have the mauser type screw that stops it from backing out.

Buy GP11 by the truck load. You will not surpass it with handloads, so just save yourself some time.
Thanks, already bought the GP11, now I need a rifle to shoot it.
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The OP's question prompted me to look at Swiss rifles again. They seem to have gone up in price in the last year or two. The upside is that GP11 is now available again, and reasonably priced. Really good, non-corrosive ammo. Unfortunately it is magnetic, which is an issue at most outdoor ranges in So. Cal.
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The K-31 are the last of the straight pull rifles used by the Swiss. Just like Swiss clocks they are very well made. It is difficult to find one with a bad barrel. They shoot on par with modern precision rifles, esp. with GP11. Stocks are usually chowed up from service at the butt. Some have tags under the butt plate from the last soldier it was issued to. They were never officially used in combat.

The Guards at the Vatican use them.


These Clamp on mounts allow you to scope a K31 with out altering the rifle.
http://www.brownells.com/optics-moun...nt=100-000-726
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I won't educate anyone on Swiss rifles anymore. Every time I do the demand goes up and so do the prices.
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Thanks, already bought the GP11, now I need a rifle to shoot it.
For your first one, K31 is a no brainer. The bolt lugs are up front as we've come to expect.

Gewehr 1911 has similar sight radius as a K31, believe it or not. The bolt lugs are in the middle of the bolt.

1896/11 are basically same as 1911 but has a graft in the stock to make it a C grip instead of a straight "English stock".

1889 shoot a GP90.

There are the Kadets and private series. They are more collectable. I'm sure Latigo or SVT40 will trot out one from their collection.

K31 is my first gun, bought for $200 when I was in school. I picked up a G1911 from SVT, and I love that puppy. Beautiful finish, no soldier tag. Trigger is match grade. Must have been a club gun.

I still kick myself for not buying a diopter equipped K31 from Simpson when they were available. Does anyone know if the original Swiss diopters can have their elevation run up and down for a 2/3/6 high power match?
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Thanks, already bought the GP11, now I need a rifle to shoot it.
The obvious choice is the K31, as it is more modern and somewhat improved over the earlier versions. But you will be happy with any of them between the K31, K11, 1911 long rifle, or the 1896/11.
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Swiss rifles and their gritty, heavy, stacking triggers, said no one ever.
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Surprised nobody posted this link...
http://theswissriflesdotcommessagebo...s#.WJkY0SMrI18
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I agree that you should go for a K31. They are a great gun to shoot and look pretty cool too with the straight pull bolt. Pick up the Swiss Products scope mount and a good quality scope and you'll be amazed at it's accuracy. You can find good examples for $350-$500.
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I agree that you should go for a K31. They are a great gun to shoot and look pretty cool too with the straight pull bolt. Pick up the Swiss Products scope mount and a good quality scope and you'll be amazed at it's accuracy. You can find good examples for $350-$500.
Now THAT is a great idea.



I would add that an older, fixed power scope with a smaller objective works best with this setup.
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Right now K11s seem to be a bit more affordable compared to K31s. Still accurate rifles in their own right even if not quite as tack driving as a K31.
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Absolutely correct, Bobby. The lower and closer to the bore axis, the better.
We use fixed 4's, 6's and my own is a fixed 8 power on the 1911 series and k31s.



On the zfk55's it's a fixed 10, in this case, an IOR Valdada.



The older, low powered scopes are going to get you out where the game is anyway. A Fixed 6 will get you to 5 and 600 yards.
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I'm using a 40mm scope on mine, it just clears the rear sight.
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I won't educate anyone on Swiss rifles anymore. Every time I do the demand goes up and so do the prices.
Ditto. I do have 5 of the stinkers and you couldn't hit a barn with any of them.
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Right now K11s seem to be a bit more affordable compared to K31s. Still accurate rifles in their own right even if not quite as tack driving as a K31.
Indeed. It almost seems silly to split hairs over the accuracy potential of any Swiss rifle with good ammo, especially since in many cases the weakest link in the equation will be the wobbly, jittery, herky jerky shakey Jake behind the trigger.

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I swear, every time I go looking for a K31 they go up in price. Stop it. All of you.
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FYI...
Simpsons has listed a bunch of K-31 parts in the past few days if anyone needs them, or wants some backup parts.
http://www.simpsonltd.com/products_new.php
Edit: They appear to be quite popular and many are already sold.
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Default K1911 back in stock (good n cracked) as of 6:55pm Friday Feb 10th 2016

Price bumped up

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It's like the BFPU version, I'm insanely drawn to it....

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On a related note, are there any sources of K31s left beside the secondary market?
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