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Old 01-28-2017, 4:58 PM
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Default .303 ammo any good?

Just got email from Midway
http://www.midwayusa.com/s?promotion...day-_-20170128

UK ammo .34 a round

POF ammo .32 a round

both corrosive which is fine with me

I have a jungle carbine I have yet to get any ammo for.
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Stay away from POF, hangfire ammo.

The U.K. stuff is a very high chance of being hangfire as well.

Both loaded with Cordite.

PM Enfield47, he was using the new steel case 303 last time at WEGC.
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Thanks for the quick reply

I'll probably hold off then for now and just get some PPU.
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PPU is great ammo. Stout, clean and consistent. It's all I feed my No.4 T. It has sticky extraction with HXP.

HXP works well in my JC and No.1 Mk.3
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The POF works fine in the Summer months. You just set it out in the sun and let it warm up. You will have very few hang fires.
I have about 2000 rounds of it, but only shoot it when it's warm outside.
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There was a time when ... you literally couldn't GIVE 303 British from POF away.
Every once in a while the Greek stuff pops up someplace , good stuff but can go fast once the 303brit shooters find out about it.

I've used the PPU in soft points loads and really liked it.
Found it shot same POI as the Greek and South African surplus.

Any from South Africa commercial PMC I believe or the never to be seen anymore surplus stuff is great also ........keeping in mind their surplus stuff is Berdan primed but non-corrosive
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Howdy GunnyUSMC nice to see you.

Since this is my own thread I can hi-jack it

Had a follow up question to my post over on your forum that you moderate regarding the stock repair:

Regarding drilling and the dowel. What size of each would your recommend for the repair. (roughly) I'm probably going to tackle this soon






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I would avoid the POF ammo, too many hangfires for my liking. The British manufacture might be ok but I would buy new ammo vs surplus for about the same price.

The new Wolf.303 British ammo is pretty good and available for only .39 cents per round at SGAmmo. It is loaded a little hot but performed well. With my No5 carbine I was able to keep 40 rounds within a 5" circle at 100 yards.

If you want to reload, Prvi is the best new manufacture ammo for it.
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I prefer to reload for my No.4 Mk.1 but I did buy a bunch of the POF stuff several years ago for very cheap. It has cordite as the propellant which may be the cause of slow ignition. Here is what the POF looks like pulled apart.

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I would not hesitate to buy this ammo for that price. It is just that the few Enfields I own are all really nice and I get nervy over the cordite ammo issue. It would be nice to have a beater Enfield just to blast some of this ammo..
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I've read online that the good chance of sticky bolt syndrome with wolf steel cases .303, anyone confirm or deny that?

Don't want to turn my slick Enfield into hand pounding mosins
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I've read online that the good chance of sticky bolt syndrome with wolf steel cases .303, anyone confirm or deny that?

Don't want to turn my slick Enfield into hand pounding mosins
I had no problems in my No5 using the Wolf ammo. All 40 rounds loaded and ejected smoothly for me. The next time you place an ammo order, pick up a box or two and try it out.
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The POF not only had problems with the cordite which sitting in the sun may help .... but also had problems with bad primers which can't be helped with the sun.
If shooting POF in 303 "not all POF calibers are bad" keep an extra watchful eye for squibs.

if wolf has 303 like the guy says , I wouldn't hesitate on buying that
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Same here. And even then.....would probably just pull it down for the bullet and casings, and dump the powder and primer.
At .32/round, not worth it for just components.

Then again....here I am in my ivory tower.....I had the luxury of being able to buy several cases of Greek HXP last time it was available.
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I got a case of Pakistani from the 60's and about 20% failure rate.
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Should have gotten that HXP ammo a few years back when they were cheap, it was like .40c a round for non-corrosive, boxer-primed ammo on clips. A steal.
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Thanks for the quick reply

I'll probably hold off then for now and just get some PPU.
Yes, PPU is excellent.
Make sure you check the headspace on your No.5
I have had a Jungle Carbine for decades, and recently began reloading for it. When checking the fired cases with Wilson gauges, I noticed they were a bit out of spec. I then got some headspace gauges to check the rifle, and HORRORS!!! the bolt closed on the no-go (just barely). Luckily my bolt head was a "0", and I quickly found a "1" to install and now the headspace is OK. Pretty clever design allowing field replacement of bolt heads to solve wear.
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the Mk VII bullet is the best thing about this ammo. I've already stocked up on some South African WW2 production, just because of the Box o' Truth write-up.

if it proves unreliable, I'll pull the bullets to reload them. seems worth it to me.

"It is easy to see why this ammunition had a reputation as excellent anti-personnel ammo. Anyone that says that getting shot with Ball ammo is like getting stabbed with an ice-pick has never shot much of this stuff"

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Hi huntingsocal

Use 1/4 drill bit or one just a little smaller. Try not to drill into the numbers that are on the butt.


You will need to be careful and drill past the end of the crack without drilling through the side of the stock.


If you need to talk one on one when you get ready to do the repair, PM me and I'll send you my number.
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just got 280 rds of wolf bimetal cased 303 delivered today, from SGAMMO, for $109 plus shipping. non corrosive
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Use 1/4 drill bit or one just a little smaller. Try not to drill into the numbers that are on the butt.


You will need to be careful and drill past the end of the crack without drilling through the side of the stock.


If you need to talk one on one when you get ready to do the repair, PM me and I'll send you my number.
Thank you Gunny, I will probably hit you up on that.

Last question before I take the plunge:

So if using a 1/4" bit, what size dowel to use?

Thanks again for all your help
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I just shot my Jungle Carbine yesterday for the first time. Used the new Wolf stuff, and PPU. Got them both at SGAmmo. They both worked flawlessly in it!
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The cordite isn't normally the problem. It is the crappy, very old primers that normally cause the issues. I have fired WWI-era ammo with cordite with no problems. It is remarkably stable stuff. But the primers the Pakistanis used were never the greatest. Letting them sit in either hot warehouses in Pakistan, or damp warehouses in Britain for 50+ years hasn't helped them. If the POF has the Mark VII ball, it is worthwhile to take it apart for the bullets, but not at that price.

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This is the way to go for cheap 303 thrills, bought some a few weeks ago and it's much better than the older surplus corrosive stuff. No running home to clean, no dud primers, no hangfires. .39 cents a round can't beat it.
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This is the way to go for cheap 303 thrills, bought some a few weeks ago and it's much better than the older surplus corrosive stuff. No running home to clean, no dud primers, no hangfires. .39 cents a round can't beat it.
I like the part of no running home to clean
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With the commercial .303 ammo, some 2 grove barrels don't like boat tail boolits, and will keyhole. POF can be POS. PAX
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As a side note (stock repair), don't use wood glue. Which looks like what was used in the pictures.

Use Brownells Acraglas Gel. It was made for such repairs and for bedding.
I like the gel because it won't run as the regular Acraglas will. I use it for all my stock bedding and repair work.

Also, I don't think that installing a wood dowel will stop the cracking. I would use a fine saw/dremel wheel and
cut through the stock along the crack line until you are just past the crack. You would then have a small cut
line, then you would "V" the outside wood just a little (say about 1/16" or so). You would fill the crack and "V"
using the gel (you can color the gel to match the stock).

Using removable blue tape or electrical tape on the outside of the stock along the cut line
will prevent the gel from getting on the stock.

I know it sounds like a lot of work but it is worth the time.
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^ yeah it definitely looks like wood glue, and old wood glue

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Just reload guys. Super accurate, clean, non-corrosive .303 for about .25 per round. I can't imagine paying up to .34 per round for crappy hang fire ammo when you can make such good stuff for so much less.
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Just reload guys. Super accurate, clean, non-corrosive .303 for about .25 per round. I can't imagine paying up to .34 per round for crappy hang fire ammo when you can make such good stuff for so much less.
I reload but 303 is a little out of my comfort range since I am currently doing 223, 308, 6.5 creedmore, and .375 cheytac. That's already way too much work, lol.

For the .39 price the Wolf bimetal is so tempting to just not have to worry about it, also no need to collect cases. I like the PPU brass stuff but it seems alot more expensive these days.

Are there match grade bullets available for 303? What is case selection like?
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Thank you Gunny, I will probably hit you up on that.

Last question before I take the plunge:

So if using a 1/4" bit, what size dowel to use?

Thanks again for all your help
Sorry, been pretty busy at work and not much free time when off.
Dowel size should be just a little smaller then the hole you drill. I like to use Bamboo dowels and wrap a little fiberglass thread around then.
When using larger dowels I like the whole to be big enough so that I can wrap some fiberglass cloth around the dowel, this works great when doing wrist repairs on bolt-action stocks.
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I reload but 303 is a little out of my comfort range since I am currently doing 223, 308, 6.5 creedmore, and .375 cheytac. That's already way too much work, lol.

For the .39 price the Wolf bimetal is so tempting to just not have to worry about it, also no need to collect cases. I like the PPU brass stuff but it seems alot more expensive these days.

Are there match grade bullets available for 303? What is case selection like?
How about 174 gr SMKs? http://www.midwayusa.com/product/148...oint-boat-tail

There is not a huge selection of cases but I have Winchester, Prvi and I have seen Federal, DKB, Hornady and a few others as well.

My question would be, Enfields are generally nicely accurate for a Milsurp but I think worrying about match grade bullets in an average Enfield shooter would be a waste of time and money.
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How about 174 gr SMKs? http://www.midwayusa.com/product/148...oint-boat-tail

There is not a huge election of cases but I have Winchester, Prvi and I have seen Federal, DKB, Hornady and a few others as well.

My question would be, Enfields are generally nicely accurate for a Milsurp but I think worrying about match grade bullets in an average Enfield shooter would be a waste of time and money.
Yeah, I agree, but part of the motivation for me to hand load is to have the best of the best for a lower cost. Most match components cost a tiny fraction more and give you the ultimate performance.

Almost ever C&R I have hand loaded for surprises me, as long as the bore is good you can get sub moa with the best components.
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I believe Hornady makes (or used to make) 174gr match bullets in .311. I bought a box of 100 a few years ago any my Enfields hated them. I could throw rocks at the target more accurately, it was the boat tail design that was the problem. I switched to their 150gr and 174gr flat based bullets and have had great success. It will all depend on the gun of course but my Mk2 and P14 performed quite well after the switch so I'll never go back.
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I got a couple boxes of the Hornaday 174g BT's they work OK in my MK2 but I've found that for half the price 123g 7.62 Russians repacked by Midway work just fine and I prefer a lighter bullet and less powder for plinking at 100 -200 yards. I don't have any accuracy issue using the 0.310" Russians versus the 0.3105" British.



A lot less recoil with these 123g and they punch a hole in paper or ring a steel plate just fine.

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I have some Greek and it's getting low so I'm going be needing more. The loose stuff doesn't look pretty but I'll go through that first before opening boxes.
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I run wolf and prvi in all my enfields. The soft points make good deer rounds too. Nothing but reliable and jam free feeding.
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