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Old 02-03-2017, 5:31 PM
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So today I pulled my Carcano out of jail and have finished my collection of the WWII primary battle rifles....have a look!

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Very cool! I'm still on the hunt for a carcano, arisaka, and a mas36.
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Well kinda. I believe that Carcano was a Finn. That SA in a box is a Finn cartouche if I'm not mistaken.

What about the French? I think they were a WWII combatant. Definitely a great start though. PAX
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A WWII collection is never finished. There are always more you don't have.
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Very nice!!!!
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Awesome start!! Down the rabbit hole you go
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I can quit anytime I want to, nada, done...wadda you got? PAX
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A WWII collection is never finished. There are always more you don't have.
Isn't that the truth! Nice collection OP.
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Thanks everyone. Proud of my collection.
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As you should be!
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That Finned Carcano is way cool. Really most guns with an SA on them are pretty cool.
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What about the French? I think they were a WWII combatant. Definitely a great start though. PAX
He has them covered with the M1. They didn't use a lot of them, but they did use them.
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He has them covered with the M1. They didn't use a lot of them, but they did use them.
That don't count. In country manufacture is required, other wise a single 03, Enfield, and a Mauser of any model, would cover just about everyone involved. PAX
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That don't count. In country manufacture is required, other wise a single 03, Enfield, and a Mauser of any model, would cover just about everyone involved. PAX
Maybe so, but he has the major belligerents covered. If you start looking at the minor players, then you really increase the shopping list.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List...fantry_weapons
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Maybe so, but he has the major belligerents covered. If you start looking at the minor players, then you really increase the shopping list.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List...fantry_weapons
So you're saying when the Nazis circumvented the Maginot Line, via blitzkrieg through Belgium to over run the French, and push the British expeditionary force to Dunkirk, unit issued French made weapons are minor players.

He has a good start, but far from accurate or complete. The Carcano he has wasn't even an Italian unit issue, drew Russian blood I'm sure, but then would have been dumped by that Finn who used it, for a Mosin 91/30 at the first opportunity. That exact particular Carcano was a minor player and not trusted by those who used them in front line engagements. 6.5 Carcanos killed Ethiopians using Martinis. How can you call dead Hungarians with M95s minor, or Siamese with T45s. They're still dead, and their weapons aren't represented. PAX
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I have never met any C&R enthusiast who proclaimed himself "finished" and was able to stick to it. Nice collection though.
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I have never met any C&R enthusiast who proclaimed himself "finished" and was able to stick to it. Nice collection though.
Correct, that is way I state that I finished my "primary battle rifle" WWII collection. Next will be the rifles on the periphery, and will purchase them if I ever run into them at a convenient time.
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The Chinese lost 15-20 million people (military and civilian) fighting the Japanese from 1937 to 1945. Only the Soviet Union lost more people https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties

I don't think they were minor players in or on the periphery of World War II.

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When I was shooting video, I got one of the last, if not the last interview with Gregory "Pappy" Boyington, at Madera, he passed a few months later. He was surprised when I asked him specific questions, about his time with the AVG, and P40's unit transition to Army Air Corps, which are the aircraft shown. He really opened up about that, having usually been grilled about the Black Sheep F4Us. PAX

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So today I pulled my Carcano out of jail and have finished my collection of the WWII primary battle rifles....have a look!

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Nice collection, I like it!

Cool markings. Your Carcano marked 1939 XVII was made in the 17th year of the Facist government. (Starting in 1922)

I just completed my Carcano M91/28 carbine with a 1929 M1891 bayonet marked VII on the pommel.
Attachment 579320

Looks like you need a 1903 or 1903A3 Springfield to round out your bolt action side of your collection.

There are also milsurp rifles from the Great War that were also used in WWII.

Don't forget slings and bayonets!
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The Chinese lost 15-20 million people (military and civilian) fighting the Japanese from 1937 to 1945. Only the Soviet Union lost more people https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties

I don't think they were minor players in or on the periphery of World War II.

Forgotten ally? China's unsung role in World War II

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Point well taken. That was an ignorant comment on my end!
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And once you round out your rifle collection, you'd better get started on pistols
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Nice collection OP. Everyday that goes by, that ensemble is harder & harder to find. You know there will be more don't you?
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So you're saying when the Nazis circumvented the Maginot Line, via blitzkrieg through Belgium to over run the French, and push the British expeditionary force to Dunkirk, unit issued French made weapons are minor players.
No, I am saying from a historical perspective, France ended up as a minor player in WW2, and even if this were not the case, they fought longer with Allied provided weapons than their own domestically produced ones. Yes, France was important in the beginning, declaring war on Germany along with Britain after the invasion of Poland, but then they really didn't do anything until invaded, and were defeated in 6 weeks. I am talking France as a Military Power here, not France as an area on a map, or even the French resistance.

Do you consider Poland a major player? They lasted nearly as log as France even after being invaded from two sides, and Polish forces fought on every front.

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The Chinese lost 15-20 million people (military and civilian) fighting the Japanese from 1937 to 1945. Only the Soviet Union lost more people https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties

I don't think they were minor players in or on the periphery of World War II.
Right, but he has China sort of covered with 4 of the 6 rifles shown. They are not Chinese marked, but they were used by Chinese forces.
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Right, but he has China sort of covered with 4 of the 6 rifles shown. They are not Chinese marked, but they were used by Chinese forces.
The Chinese didn't use any of the rifles he has to a large degree during World War II. The K98 comes the closest since the Chinese bought the similar but earlier Standard Modell Mauser




from the Germans until Japan became Germany's ally and told Germany to stop supplying their enemy. The Standard Modell Mauser rifles they bought and the Chinese copy of the Standard Modell Mauser were the standard and most widely used main Chinese battle rifle. For the Chinese soldiers who were lucky enough to have a rifle.

I can recommend this book for World War II history buffs. It covers one of the most overlooked but major theaters of World War II. The Chinese tied down over a million Japanese soldiers (plus their supporting artillery, aircraft, etc.) that otherwise would have been available to fight against the US in the Pacific.


https://www.amazon.com/Soldiers-Whit...6319958&sr=8-1

It is mostly pictures, pictures you probably haven't seen anywhere else. There are pictures of Chinese soldiers who went up against the modern Imperial Japanese Army armed only with short swords.
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Good book recommendation there Milsurp. The Rape of Nankang was good too.
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Great collection. C&R collecting is very addictive. You can branch into any specifics like collecting all manufacturers of the M1 Carbine, K98k, Garand, etc. If you have the money collecting a sniper rifle from each country is very challenging and expensive. Lots of fakes out there. A C&R license + COE is best investment for collecting, but with new laws not sure. Have fun collecting.
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Very nice start. maybe next one could be m44.
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