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Old 06-27-2018, 2:40 PM
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I wonder how likely the SCOTUS is to hear this now that Kennedy is retiring....

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Old 06-27-2018, 3:33 PM
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I wonder how likely the SCOTUS is to hear this now that Kennedy is retiring....
Let's not jump the gun. First there has to be a decision by the Ninth Circuit, and second, Trump has to be able to replace one of the justices. With Flake blocking hearings on nominees and the democrats out for blood, do not expect a replacement prior to the midterms, and probably not for some time after.
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Old 06-27-2018, 4:38 PM
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Let's not jump the gun. First there has to be a decision by the Ninth Circuit, and second, Trump has to be able to replace one of the justices. With Flake blocking hearings on nominees and the democrats out for blood, do not expect a replacement prior to the midterms, and probably not for some time after.
True. But it seems like the 9th has a history of upholding these type of cases, and I'm hopeful that IF a pro 2A replacement for Kennedy gets in before the midterms, then the SCOTUS will be more inclined to hear these type of cases. Perhaps too optimistic, and time will tell, I suppose.
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Old 06-29-2018, 4:02 AM
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Like poll taxes, the roster was designed to keep poor minorities from exercising a constitutional right.
Not really. The roster includes the Accu-Tek AT-380 which is an ok stainless steel gun, under $300 out the door. A Hi Point 380 is under $150. And used guns are still available. And long guns are still avaiable, including plenty of inexpensive and used shotgun options under $200. I don't think poor minorities are having any problems affording guns here. I think the roster and restrictions on ammo sales is more about ending gun culture, particularly among whites.
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Old 06-29-2018, 5:48 AM
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Not really. The roster includes the Accu-Tek AT-380 which is an ok stainless steel gun, under $300 out the door. A Hi Point 380 is under $150. And used guns are still available. And long guns are still avaiable, including plenty of inexpensive and used shotgun options under $200. I don't think poor minorities are having any problems affording guns here. I think the roster and restrictions on ammo sales is more about ending gun culture, particularly among whites.
True. But also racism. Most of the rich liberal elite that run things are white, as are the Rulers and law enforcement, they need to destroy the gun culture. Since the majority of the California population is minority(other than white), the elite white ruling class fear minority gun owners.
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Not really. The roster includes the Accu-Tek AT-380 which is an ok stainless steel gun, under $300 out the door. A Hi Point 380 is under $150. And used guns are still available. And long guns are still avaiable, including plenty of inexpensive and used shotgun options under $200. I don't think poor minorities are having any problems affording guns here. I think the roster and restrictions on ammo sales is more about ending gun culture, particularly among whites.
For now. Show me a $150 pistol with microstamping.

Any 2013+ pistol on the roster will need to cost thousands to produce...
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Old 06-29-2018, 7:25 AM
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Is it wrong that I'm not upset about the judical sandbagging on this case now with all the SCOTUS developments? Here's to hoping they shot themselves in the foot.
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Old 06-29-2018, 8:34 AM
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It seems like they were waiting for the NSSF case to complete before they gave a ruling on this one. Now the NSSF case is complete, so I would think they would be movement on this.
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Is it wrong that I'm not upset about the judical sandbagging on this case now with all the SCOTUS developments? Here's to hoping they shot themselves in the foot.
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22 His own iniquities entrap the wicked man, and he is caught in the cords of his sin. (5:22)

3 The Lord will not let good people go hungry, but he will keep the wicked from getting what they want. (10:3)
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It seems like they were waiting for the NSSF case to complete before they gave a ruling on this one. Now the NSSF case is complete, so I would think they would be movement on this.
I don't think NSSF case is "complete." That recent ruling from CA Supreme Court was overturning a motion the state had submitted. The "trial" hadn't even started, IIRC.
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Old 06-29-2018, 9:45 AM
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I don't think NSSF case is "complete." That recent ruling from CA Supreme Court was overturning a motion the state had submitted. The "trial" hadn't even started, IIRC.
They overturned an order allowing the trial to continue, which means the trial can't continue, or that's my understanding.
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Not really. The roster includes the Accu-Tek AT-380 which is an ok stainless steel gun, under $300 out the door. A Hi Point 380 is under $150. And used guns are still available. And long guns are still avaiable, including plenty of inexpensive and used shotgun options under $200. I don't think poor minorities are having any problems affording guns here. I think the roster and restrictions on ammo sales is more about ending gun culture, particularly among whites.
The expressed hope had been that the Lorcins and Ravens and Davis (from the family of Jason Davis, attorney) would fail the tests, taking the really inexpensive handguns off the market.
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Old 06-29-2018, 10:03 AM
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True. But also racism. Most of the rich liberal elite that run things are white, as are the Rulers and law enforcement, they need to destroy the gun culture. Since the majority of the California population is minority(other than white), the elite white ruling class fear minority gun owners.
That is true. A lot of gun control is rich liberal whites hating non-rich whites. They somehow think that non-rich whites with AR15s are bad, while MS13 members walking around armed is no problem. They're not thinking things through all the way.

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The expressed hope had been that the Lorcins and Ravens and Davis (from the family of Jason Davis, attorney) would fail the tests, taking the really inexpensive handguns off the market.
Interesting, didn't know that Jason Davis was connected to that.

The cheapest CA legal gun I found was the wonderful Phoenix Arms HP22A, at about $130. I guess they did succeed in getting rid of the sub-$100 guns, but it's not pricing anyone out of the market.
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Old 06-29-2018, 11:14 AM
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Let's not jump the gun. First there has to be a decision by the Ninth Circuit, and second, Trump has to be able to replace one of the justices. With Flake blocking hearings on nominees and the democrats out for blood, do not expect a replacement prior to the midterms, and probably not for some time after.
McConnell said a day or two ago that he expects the new justice to be on the Bench by Nov 6th elections.

Going from the linked article below, I expect the nominee to be announced before Trump leaves for Europe. July & Aug will be spent with "meet & greet" Q&A between nominee and various Senators. Official hearings and vote will be in Sept. Nominee will be on the Bench to start the Court's new term come first Monday in Oct. (Not sure they'll be on the Bench in time for the Long Conference, last Monday in Sept.)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...Labor-Day.html

Of course, that is the Dems' worst nightmare, so they'll do everything they can to derail it. But given how many Dem senate candidates are running in states Trump won, they can't get too extreme. IOW, Dems/antis are caught between a rock and a hard place....

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Old 07-04-2018, 12:55 PM
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Looking at the panel on this we have:

Interestingly, 2/3 of the panel are MORMONS! Yes, right here in the 9th circuit, in a gun case, we got a panel with two Mormons appointed by Republicans. What are the odds?

I'm sure we will win at the panel level, 2-1. Really hope Wallace retires immediately after.
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Old 07-04-2018, 2:16 PM
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Looking at the panel on this we have:
[LIST][*]Wallace (Nixon, please retire ASAP dude)
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Really hope Wallace retires immediately after.
Wallace has already taken "senior" status. His "seat" on CA9 has been considered open since 1996....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Senior_status
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Old 07-05-2018, 7:24 AM
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Wallace has already taken "senior" status. His "seat" on CA9 has been considered open since 1996....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Senior_status
Kim Wardlaw filled his seat when Clinton appointed her.
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Well Wallace was the only disent in the CA mag case Duncan. I am pretty worried now in light of the fact a Clinton Dem upheld the injunction in Duncan and Wallace disented
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