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Old 07-16-2017, 2:24 PM
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Default GSG 1911 or P-22 Target ?

I am just done the 30 days probation and itching for a new .22RL pistol, these two are on Roster and available on LGS.
- ATI GSG 1911 22LR
- Walter , P-22 Target, 5" barrel (not a short 3.5" barrel)
I used it for plinking on indoor range , punching target papers. I will shoot it with mostly bulk HV because the bulk HV is easier to find than SV.
Before it becomes a safe queen, I will shoot the heck out of it so i want a good one. So which one ?
(If you want to recommend me another the 22 pistol, I am very gladly well come to but it must be on Roster and not of the following: Buckmark, S&W 22A1 & M41, Hi Standard and all Olympic pistols).

Edit: After look at the attached pictures from member AlphaRomeo, I decide to go with the GSG.

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Old 07-16-2017, 4:44 PM
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I am enjoying my GSG 1911-22. Good shooter at the price point and easy to maintain.
Buy extra mags.
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Old 07-16-2017, 5:04 PM
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You say no Buckmark? Do you already have one?

I have a GSG/ATI 1911 and it's fun. It took some garage gunsmithing, polishing, and a Nic Taylor extended guide rod. Without the work, it wouldn't run smooth with bulk ammo, after the work, it runs great for ~800 rounds before it needs cleaning; when it's dirty it fails to feed.

The guide rod adds a tiny amount of rearward slide movement and allows for more reliable ejection.

Magazines are hard to find for a good price.

I'm worried that the screw holding the barrel to the frame will ultimately strip or the threads on the frame will wear out. Do not replace this screw with steel, as the frame is softer than steel and that would be bad.

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Personally, I would not buy either, but the Walther is a better choice than a GSG.
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You say no Buckmark? Do you already have one?
Yes.

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Old 07-16-2017, 8:30 PM
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I had both and my vote goes to P22 hands down! The slide on the gsg cracked after around 300 rounds.
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Love.my GSG 1911-22. Not target accurate but a lot of fun. More than 23k rounds and counting. There is one uses on the Internet over 75k. No slide failure. The paint wears off easily but I don't mind. I would replace guide rod with stainless steel. Lifetime warranty.
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GSG1911 is great! My favorite little 22.
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I have a GSG/ATI 1911 and it's fun. It took some garage gunsmithing, polishing, and a Nic Taylor extended guide rod. .
can you elaborate on this please
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I have a P22 and a GSG 922CA. I cannot understand anyone choosing the P22 over the GSG. The P22 has a much cheaper feel, and the trigger is much better on the GSG. The GSG is one of the most fun .22 pistols, and the Walther is the worst. Both are cheap compared to my MarkII Target or a Buckmark.
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I am a 1911 guy, therefor I have the GSG. I like it for what it is, but there are many better choices, a P22 is not one of them.
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I am a 1911 guy, therefor I have the GSG. I like it for what it is, but there are many better choices, a P22 is not one of them.
I'm more of a Glock and PPQ guy... I still think the P22 sucks
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I have a P22 and a GSG 922CA. I cannot understand anyone choosing the P22 over the GSG. The P22 has a much cheaper feel, and the trigger is much better on the GSG. The GSG is one of the most fun .22 pistols, and the Walther is the worst.
I have both too. But I happen to like both. I have a blast shooting either. To me, the 1911 seems cheaper. But that's probably just because I shoot real 1911's and the difference is noticeable.

The P22 is tiny and ultralight, which I think is cool. If I take a kid or small adult shooting, I always bring it along and it's a big hit. It's also a great backpacking plinking pistol because it's so tiny and lightweight.

The finish rubs off the GSG-1911 pretty fast if you use a holster.

Both are sort of a pain to disassemble and clean.

Both of mine have been completely reliable using bulk ammo.
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I have both too. But I happen to like both. I have a blast shooting either. To me, the 1911 seems cheaper. But that's probably just because I shoot real 1911's and the difference is noticeable.

The P22 is tiny and ultralight, which I think is cool. If I take a kid or small adult shooting, I always bring it along and it's a big hit.
That's the value of keeping the P22 to me. First time shooters and kids get to shoot the P22. Good size and trigger for that.

I have so many .22's the P22 doesn't get much play. I think it is nice that it is still on-roster. Not a lot of other rimfire double-action autos.
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.....Both are cheap compared to my MarkII Target or a Buckmark.
Already had those two.
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Already had those two.
.22 revolver? GP100, SP-101, or M-17? I have a blast with my Advantage Arms Glock conversion too.
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can you elaborate on this please
He means this : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVi89qoHHDQ
and this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5d_wPcDLwfQ
http://www.taylor-tactical-supply.co...r-p/gsg-gr.htm

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The P22 5" has a rather unique two piece slide, which is a failure mode for accuracy if front and rear sight misalign if/when anything gets loose. Handle one and check for yourself.

Here's photo of the P22 5" with slide pulled back.
Also one magazine has the pinky extension and one does not.

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shot my friends' GSG 1911-22 and the Walther P22: absolutely hated the p22, the pistol grip is just too tiny, and i don't have large hands. Another friend's P22 has some minor feeding issue, while another's ran just fine with any ammo fed. I like the 1911 (in 45acp) and kinda dig the GSG, but don't love it absolutely. Would like to try one of those slide conversion kit on a regular 1911 to shoot 22lr.
on the other hand, i tried (flamesuit on) the Phoenix Arms HP22, it's actually not too bad.
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Another vote for a .22 revolver. Safer for new shooters, and my Dan Wesson is laser accurate.
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I've had both guns. The P22 is the worst firearm I have ever owned, and probably will ever own. Stay away.

GSG is a solid firearm. If between the two, I'd take the GSG, not even close.
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I have a p22 5", and I don't like it. Mine has no issues firing and whatnot, but as mentioned by alpha_romeo_XV, the slide and fake compensator on the front aren't one piece, and I really don't like how the front sight is just a friction fitted piece of soft plastic. There's that, plus the fact that the slide slowly but surely will eat away itself on the hard metal ears/tabs on the bracket of the slide assembly unless you smooth and polish the hell out of those tabs. That's 2 strikes in my book there, fortunately for it I haven't seen or encountered a third, otherwise I would have put it up for sale here.

I was pondering buying a GSG next month, but I know the GSG needs the same TLC work before you start laying in some bricks of ammo, and to me it just seems like not worth the trouble to do once again.

With the amount of time spent on getting these cheap pieces of ...engineering... running well, I think my time would be better spent just buying either a glock or a 1911 and buying a 22 conversion. I plan on buying a g19 and a 1911 later this year anyways, and a conversion kit wouldn't tie me up in another 30-day wait, so I figure may as well kill 2 birds with one stone.
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I was pondering buying a GSG next month, but I know the GSG needs the same TLC work before you start laying in some bricks of ammo, and to me it just seems like not worth the trouble to do once again.
My GSG is the small model, but I didn't do anything to it except remove the mag disconnect before shooting it and it has been perfect... though I started with the good stuff. Haven't fed it anything besides mini-mags - don't recall if it has been solids or the HP's - probably both. I'll eventually feed it Golden bullets, but I don't shoot rimfire much these days beyond a couple sliders after shooting 9mm and .45.

The cool thing about the GSG is the heavy weight and zero flip... the cool thing about the Glock conversion is the feather weight and almost zero flip. The Glock lowers are feather light, the centerfire slides are where all the steel is... with an aluminum slide it is so damn light. Gets dirty about as fast as the P22 though which is not a compliment (Glock conversion, not the GSG). I don't think I've even wiped out the GSG.
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Also, the trigger on the GSG is really just a great 1911 trigger... and the trigger on the Glock conversion is the same as whatever Glock lower it is installed on. Both big plusses.
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I would not get either one. I am more of a revolver/M41 type. But for pure fun, I suggest you forget the cheap 22s and get the 50 cal. Ma' Duece. You will have a lot of fun.
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I would not get either one. I am more of a revolver/M41 type. But for pure fun, I suggest you forget the cheap 22s and get the 50 cal. Ma' Duece. You will have a lot of fun.
To put the GSG in perspecitive, it was a $240 gun. I think it was worth the price. My P22 back when I got it was $220 IIRC. Not too much out there close to that price unless you count the 5-shot NAA's. The GSG is a complete cheap fun gun that cost less than my Glock conversion slide.
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actually, I keep forgetting about the GSG 922. Anybody have experience with this? I can't find a whole lot of reviews for it, but none of the owners reviews I have seen mention doing any work to get it to fire stuff without being picky. I may put next month's purchase of a shotgun on hold and pick one of these up instead... or just buy both, lol
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actually, I keep forgetting about the GSG 922. Anybody have experience with this? I can't find a whole lot of reviews for it, but none of the owners reviews I have seen mention doing any work to get it to fire stuff without being picky. I may put next month's purchase of a shotgun on hold and pick one of these up instead... or just buy both, lol
That's the one I've been talking about. 922CA.
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Oh nice, my bad then. It's definitely on my radar then, if the LGS I saw it at still has one in stock, I'll probably start my paperwork for it next month. OP might want to look into one as well if you can. I haven't fired one, but the first time I checked it out, I liked what I felt.
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.22 revolver? GP100, SP-101, or M-17? I have a blast with my Advantage Arms Glock conversion too.
Thanks You, I forget to post: NO the Revolver, I already had Ruger Single 10 SS.
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Also one magazine has the pinky extension and one does not.
Same as the mags that came with my p22... one good one and one POS. The safety lever on a P22 is cheap compared to Nerf guns or Bug-A-Salt guns I own. Pellet guns are way better.
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The P22 5" has a rather unique two piece slide, which is a failure mode for accuracy if front and rear sight misalign if/when anything gets loose. Handle one and check for yourself.

Here's photo of the P22 5" with slide pulled back.
Also one magazine has the pinky extension and one does not.
Look at the pictures of the slide of the P-22 5" barrel , it's a very "mickey mouse" design. And the pistol comes with two difference kind of magazines.WTF.
Thanks You AlphaRomeo, the decision is made. I will go with GSG.
What a shame that Walther, a famous Germany gun company design the gun like that and called "the target model".
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I should've pointed out my P22 is the standard model, not the target model. I wouldn't buy the target model. The extension attachment method is ridiculous and hurts accuracy.
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i had an early Sig/GSG 1911-22 and it only ran well with minimags. However, after polishing some known overspray areas it really increased the reliability. Sent it in to Sig for an unrelated issue where they replaced my slide with a newer version and it has been near flawless since I've gotten it back. Completely happy with it and it is a great cross-training tool for my full size 1911.
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Have you looked at the Browning 1911-22?



However, of the two you have listed above, I went with the P22. Mine has been flawless, however many have reported it being finicky with certain ammo. I mainly went with it because the price was substantially less than the other two at my LGS.
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Thanks You, I forget to post: NO the Revolver, I already had Ruger Single 10 SS.
You have a Single Ten still or you didn't like it and got rid of it?
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can you elaborate on this please
Out of the box- the frame had paint / overspray coating on the rails and would not cycle reliably. The trigger was gritty, had a rough sear and the trigger itself rubbed the frame on the bottom leading edge. Magazine disconnect was dodgy and caused seating issues- as if it needed another reason for removal.

Generally I would consider these minor gripes- but the rails and slide travel were definite issues with reliability. Ran 1600 grit paper over the rails (gently) to remove the paint, then added Oil and polished with a hard black Arkansas stone. I tried very hard to remove as little as possible.

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You have a Single Ten still or you didn't like it and got rid of it?
Still have it (it's a keeper). Just don't want another wheel gun.

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P22 , but the buckmark takes it any day and twice on Sunday :-)
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Have you looked at the Browning 1911-22?



However, of the two you have listed above, I went with the P22. Mine has been flawless, however many have reported it being finicky with certain ammo. I mainly went with it because the price was substantially less than the other two at my LGS.
No, I did not know that Browning 1911 22LR also on the Roster, I thought the only Browning 22LR on the Roster is Buckmark.
Oh well, the Browning has to wait for "my next itching" though.
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