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Old 07-17-2017, 12:12 AM
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I'm a bit of a mess right now, so I apologize for any lack of cohesion. Came home to find that my house was burglarized while my wife and I were at work. My 2 firearms were stolen, but they didn't take any of my ammo. (I've been stockpiling).

Already talked with the cops, gave them the serial numbers to both guns. One was an AR15 in a locked large Plano case. One was a MicroRoni kit with Vortex Sparc AR sights in an unlocked pistol case. The last was my Glock19 loaded, that was by my bedside drawer. They also took my wife's backpack with teaching materials and a credit card in it (it's been cancelled).

Neighbor up the street has cameras facing down the block. From what he showed me, a white late-90s van (shaped like a Toyota Previa) came around the block around 9:38pm. Driver did not get out. Passenger went through side gate, had to fanagle a side gate latch that's opens only from the inside, so he had to have been tall. Proceeded through side yard, opened another side gate.

This is where I'm kicking myself: we keep a spare key on the top awning of the back door entrance. They found this key, dropped it on the floor of the backyard (where I find it). Proceeded to the master bedroom and closet, where they took my guns. Neighbor's surveillance camera shows the van driving away at 9:45pm.

I came home at approx. 10:15pm. I was in the process of ordering a proper gun safe, but obviously a day and dollar late. We don't have friends or family really come over, and we keep to ourselves.

Any advice and suggestions would be most appreciated.

I'm a mess.

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Old 07-17-2017, 12:21 AM
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I'm sorry to hear that and it is the worst thing for anyone to have happen it feels different in your home knowing someone broke in I kinda uncomfortable and now you have no firearms for self defense in case it happens aging. The world is sad in this day and I hope they get the jurks that did this I had to reply to this when I seen it I'm a new gun owner and would hate to have it happen to me. So I understand and I hope you get justice!!


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I'm sorry that happened to you. I wish you the best. I hope you get your property back.
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Old 07-17-2017, 12:25 AM
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Also, wanted to note:

- Wifi/internet to the house mysteriously not working. Is there a way to see the log of which devices has had access to our Wifi?

- Should I be cautious of touching certain stuff they did? Is there a way to salvage their finger prints? I thought of this too late, when I picked up the key to the back house door.

- My house did not have an active alarm or cameras. Those were on the to-do list after the safe. We moved in exactly a year ago.

- Any advice on how to handle the home insurance?

Thanks.

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Old 07-17-2017, 12:29 AM
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Old 07-17-2017, 12:31 AM
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could've just been random, shame they found that key but i get the impression that without it they'd probably just break your window and enter anyway

might want to keep an eye out for that white van, they might be bold enough to come back again

about 5 years ago i walk out my door and notice 3 teenage kids across the street at my neighbors - one was standing by the curb, probably a lookout while the other two were on the side of the neighbors house by her windows

she lives with just her young daughter and i knew they weren't home

i asked the guy at the curb if he was looking for someone and he told me "ah, this is my cousins house and we're waiting" - i knew it was bullsh** but i just said ok and turned around to go back in my house, not being armed (thanks CA), i wasn't going to confront them too much

my plan was to call 911 but i guess me going out there spooked them because they took off down the street, probably parked their car some distance away, so no chance of getting a plate

when i told my neighbor about it she had no idea who they were, she got scared, can't say i blame her, happened in broad daylight too - police showed up about 25 minutes later, took their report and left
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Old 07-17-2017, 4:07 AM
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Just realized they probably cut the internet line to shutdown any cameras I might have had...

Can't stop thinking if/when they come back.
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That's everyone's worst nightmare...I'm sorry to hear that happened. Was the key hidden well? Did you use that key often? If so someone ( Neighbors ) seeing you put it back after use could have had something to do with it. Lots of times it's someone you've seen before or know. That seriously sucks and I wish you the best of luck. Tough lesson to be learned that yes people suck and they will take your stuff....
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Old 07-17-2017, 4:59 AM
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OP sorry to hear this happened to you. The alarm system we have at the house has a cell phone with battery backup
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The time of the incident is very unusual for home robberies. They must be aware that the occupants are usually gone until very late. I would think they would've had cased your home for sometime to notice that pattern. You said you recently moved into the house; did the previous owner leave that spare key there too? I would change all the locks and start locking your side gates.

When you reported it to the cops, did they not look for fingerprints, etc.? If they didn't, doubt you can make use of the fingerprints you find yourself.
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This is terrible. Sorry for the tragedy. Reading the whole story, it sounds like it was done by someone you know. Most people burglarize in the daytime, during normal working hours, so the people who robbed you knew your evening work schedule.

On the bright side, it may have been a blessing that they found your key. It saved you from having a window broken or a door kicked in, so you won't have to get either of those fixed. And at least they left the key behind. You won't have to go through the inconvenience of rekeying your house. (I seriously doubt the made an impression of your key. They would have just taken it if they wanted it.)
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The time of the incident is very unusual for home robberies. They must be aware that the occupants are usually gone until very late. I would think they would've had cased your home for sometime to notice that pattern. You said you recently moved into the house; did the previous owner leave that spare key there too? I would change all the locks and start locking your side gates.

When you reported it to the cops, did they not look for fingerprints, etc.? If they didn't, doubt you can make use of the fingerprints you find yourself.
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Old 07-17-2017, 6:34 AM
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Did you have any maintenance or utility work done recently were someone could have been scoping out your place?
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Old 07-17-2017, 6:56 AM
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You read my mind as I was writing my post!
Great minds think alike lol

OP, they dropped the spare key by the door hoping you'd keep the same locks so they can come back next year. Suggest you change your locks.
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Old 07-17-2017, 7:09 AM
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Reminder to all.... get a safe you morons.
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Sucks. Just having someone break into your house is a nightmare. Much less taking guns.

Not surprising they didn't take ammo. Too many people are worried about tweekers trying to run off with 300lbs of ammo. Once a collection gets nice/large enough, leave out "bait guns". Let them take the cheap 22s or junk shotgun.

Having a dog may have helped. Mans best friend.
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Old 07-17-2017, 7:29 AM
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That sucks OP

Was the key in an obvious hiding spot? That I'll never understand. Always hide a spare key well away from the door and hidden by something not obvious.
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Old 07-17-2017, 7:32 AM
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Sorry to hear of your troubles OP.

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Reminder to all.... get a safe.
Not just that but the following:

1) Secure gates and entry ways. A simple latch on the inside of your gate is not enough, lock it!

2) Don't leave spare keys around outside. If you need to, leave one with your neighbor.

3) Invest in an alarm system. They're quite reasonable these days. Get one that's connected to your cell and has a battery back up. We use Protection One. It's a self install system which keeps the price down.
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Old 07-17-2017, 7:38 AM
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Sounds like they knew of the key and its location and exactly what they were after.
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Sorry to hear about your situation, but that area is iffy.

A home alarm (like Bay Alarm) usually helps because the bad guys will just go look for another house to rob instead of trying to break into a house with an alarm. If you do get an alarm make sure they install a bell on the outside too. They don't like to do that, but they will if you insist. An outside bell alerts the neighbors.

Cameras are good, but really only helpful after the fact. The bad guys know they can hoodie up and keep their heads down to avoid recognition. Cameras should IMHO come after an alarm.

Put in automatic outside lights too.
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Sounds like they knew of the key and its location and exactly what they were after.
Sounds like that and I was thinking that maybe his neighbors aren't the good people he may think they are. Either saw or heard them put the key there and told their thieving friends where they can find it. Or it was completely obvious. "on the top awning of the back door entrance", might as well hang the key next to the lock with "spare key" written above it.
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If your going to leave guns out make sure to hide them , never leave them out in plain view

a SAFE would have saved your guns, since it takes more time, and you were back soon after this happened, if you had a safe it wouldnt have gotten stolen so easily / quickly

I lock up all firearms even if Im just going to the post office for 15 minutes
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The time of the incident is very unusual for home robberies. They must be aware that the occupants are usually gone until very late. I would think they would've had cased your home for sometime to notice that pattern. You said you recently moved into the house; did the previous owner leave that spare key there too? I would change all the locks and start locking your side gates.

When you reported it to the cops, did they not look for fingerprints, etc.? If they didn't, doubt you can make use of the fingerprints you find yourself.
OP: This brings up people you work with or work close to you. Did you talk about guns with people at work or acquaintances. Anyone who knows where you live.

I even worry about people following me home from the range so I take the back roads. That's how paranoid I've become.
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OP: This brings up people you work with or work close to you. Did you talk about guns with people at work or acquaintances. Anyone who knows where you live.

I even worry about people following me home from the range so I take the back roads. That's how paranoid I've become.
I stopped discussing anything about firearms with casual acquaintances , co workers

this is how the word gets out.

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Just realized they probably cut the internet line to shutdown any cameras I might have had...

Can't stop thinking if/when they come back.
Terrible, very sorry to hear.

Police report filed?

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You guys know how many keys from work, previous houses, padlocks you lost or no longer own, etc. accumulate in the junk drawer? I'm thinking of putting a bunch of those on a key ring and hide it by the back door just to frustrate a potential thief. Just imagine somebody having to go trying 40-50 keys just to see which one would fit. LOL

The real one would be with a trusted neighbor, of course.
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You guys know how many keys from work, previous houses, padlocks you lost or no longer own, etc. accumulate in the junk drawer? I'm thinking of putting a bunch of those on a key ring and hide it by the back door just to frustrate a potential thief. Just imagine somebody having to go trying 40-50 keys just to see which one would fit. LOL

The real one would be with a trusted neighbor, of course.
I got that key chain right here.. interesting idea..

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You need to sit down with your wife and make a list of everyone who has been to your house in the last few months for ANY reason. Breakins usually are not random. Did the cops auctually show up? If so they should have checked for prints. Change the locks. That will buy you some instant security. Probably less than a hundred bucks to change every lock you have if you do it yourself. Also a good time to add deadbolts to front and back door. If it is not a solid door buy dead bolts that need a key on either side. Never leave a key where someone can find it. I don't know how handy you are but a simple camara system cost less than a safe although you should have both. Put a lock on every gate you have. Make them break things. Some cheap security window stickers ( e-bay $10.00) couldn't hurt either. Get the cops to look at the neighbors video. I know on my system you can zoom in and maybe get a license number or a face. It sucks when people violate your space. It is about priorities, you both work and you have been there for a year. In all that time you couldn't spend a few hundred dollars to protect you and your family. One other suggestion, if you had a large dog most people would not go in your back yard when your not there, especially at night. Security needs to move up the list. If they didn't toss the house or take the wifes jewelry they new the set up and you probably know them. Be suspicious of a friend who shows up asking a lot of questions about it and don't go looking for sympathy and talking about it to a lot of people. Keep quit and watch, you might see something that sets off an alarm in your head. Hope it Helps
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Does this qualify as a Prop 47 misdemeanor? If so the cops will make little effort.
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Can't stop thinking if/when they come back.
Sorry for your losses, don't fret too much on them coming back...
They got what they wanted...there isn't anything to come back for...yet

They know it'll take time to replace what they got...and...
the target (your house) will be harder to hit the second time around
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Also, wanted to note:

- Wifi/internet to the house mysteriously not working. Is there a way to see the log of which devices has had access to our Wifi?

- Should I be cautious of touching certain stuff they did? Is there a way to salvage their finger prints? I thought of this too late, when I picked up the key to the back house door.

- My house did not have an active alarm or cameras. Those were on the to-do list after the safe. We moved in exactly a year ago.

- Any advice on how to handle the home insurance?

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If they cut your telecom, they were probably wearing gloves.

I was in a very similar situation to you about 4 years ago where I was shopping for safes but hadn't bought one yet. Luckily they only found two milsurp rifles and had no interest in them so they were still sitting there when we got home.

After the break in we got an alarm and a safe. In my case, a package on my doorstep probably caused the break in (kicked in door).

As to home insurance, once you have itemized your stolen property you will need to find photos, manuals, or boxes of the items taken to give to your insurance (more for higher value items really)
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another tip, try to make your house look like somebody is home

automatic lights, tv , radio that turn on to make it look like somebody is home

car parked in driveway, at random times to look like somebody just got home

dogs, alarms.
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For those who have been hit, one question I have.. how do you ever regain a sense of security and comfort in your own home? Seems like it would be extremely difficult to attain again.

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Does this qualify as a Prop 47 misdemeanor? If so the cops will make little effort.
The AR15, the Glock and the wife's purse usually would add up to over $1000. What I am not sure is, however, if there were 2 perps, would the property loss have to exceed $1000 x 2?

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For those who have been hit, one question I have.. how do you ever regain a sense of security and comfort in your own home? Seems like it would be extremely difficult to attain again.

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Never, really. I ended up moving from the apartment I had back then.
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Thanks for suggestions all.

A little more background on myself and situation:

- My wife and I never have friends over. Most, if not all, family are out of state. We keep a relatively low profile, and never have social functions or gatherings at our house.

- Only people I talk guns with are close friends who are all out of state.

- ADT stickers and signs on the windows and yard. Unfortunately, the alarm was not active.

- Cops showed up but did not take fingerprints. All I got was a business card and a case #.

- House doors have deadbolts already. Will definitely be changing those out.

- Spoke with internet service provider. Doesn't look like any lines were cut, however they did a report of something that caused a signal interruption. Having field tech come out tomorrow.

- I do have home insurance. Already spoke woth them and got a recorded statement going with an ongoing-itemized list of what we're missing. Does anybody have first hand experience of dealing with home insurance companies (AAA in my case)?

Again, thanks.
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get heavy duty security doors with extra deadbolt in front and back is helpful, also safer to answer the door so they cant barge in home invasion style

just an extra level of security, not going to stop a burglary, but it will deter or slow them down, make it a little harder to kick in your door.

security lighting with motion detectors will help if they try and sneak around your house at night.


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For those who have been hit, one question I have.. how do you ever regain a sense of security and comfort in your own home? Seems like it would be extremely difficult to attain again.

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I think the main thing is you wonder if they'll return. Once the alarm and safe were installed I think it mostly went away for me.

In the time we have lived in CA, we have had three "invasions" or attempted invasions.

The earlier one where they got in and stole things was a mid afternoon one.

A couple years prior, I came home for lunch with my wife and I left without locking the door. Apparently a man had seen me leave so he came through the door a couple of minutes later and started up the stairs. My wife thought it was me so she walked out on the landing and called my name. The man covered his face and ran away. (I always lock the door after that).

A year prior to that incident, we heard someone trying the knob on the door for about 3 minutes before leaving. The only reason this was a big deal for me was that we lived on the top floor of an old 1920s house and that stairwell and door were our only egress.
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