Calguns.net  

Home My iTrader Join the NRA Donate to CGSSA Sponsors CGN Google Search
CA Semiauto Ban(AW)ID Flowchart CA Handgun Ban ID Flowchart CA Shotgun Ban ID Flowchart
Go Back   Calguns.net > FIREARMS DISCUSSIONS > Centerfire Rifles - Semiautomatic or Gas Operated
Register FAQ Members List Calendar Mark Forums Read

Centerfire Rifles - Semiautomatic or Gas Operated Centerfire rifles, carbines and other gas operated rifles.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 07-16-2017, 9:13 PM
Soginator's Avatar
Soginator Soginator is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Posts: 1,654
iTrader: 2 / 100%
Default Would you put a nice trigger on a cheap rifle?

I put together a cheap ar pistol. Probably about $450 total. Wondering if it's worth putting a Giselle trigger on it or if I should just grab whatever is cheapest. It's not an issue of money. It's more just wondering if it's worth it. It's a radical firearms upper and 80% lower.
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 07-16-2017, 9:19 PM
Active Shooter Active Shooter is offline
Banned
 
Join Date: Sep 2016
Posts: 32
iTrader: 0 / 0%
Default

I have a Geissele SSA-E on my M&P 15-22.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 07-16-2017, 9:21 PM
808@515 808@515 is online now
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2013
Location: NorCal East Bay
Posts: 573
iTrader: 1 / 100%
Default

I have geissele SSA in both my PSA lowers. Love that trigger.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 07-16-2017, 9:21 PM
Don the savage's Avatar
Don the savage Don the savage is offline
Cry Havok!
CGN Contributor
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Ontario, Цалифорниа
Posts: 1,749
iTrader: 56 / 100%
Default

The most expensive things on my ARs are the optics and the triggers. Next to the barrel nothing else matters
__________________
I support peace through superior firepower.
"Para ser libre, un hombre debe tener tres cosas, la tierra, una educacion y un fusil. Siempre un fusil ! (To be free, a man must have three things; land, an education and a rifle. Always a rifle)" -Emiliano Zapata.

Quote:
Originally Posted by rsrocket1 View Post
Of course they are in free territory where they can pick up ammunition at the local 5 and dime without going through a criminal background check. All we get is legalized pot.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 07-16-2017, 9:25 PM
SBsasquatch's Avatar
SBsasquatch SBsasquatch is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Inland Empire, So. Cal.
Posts: 825
iTrader: 3 / 100%
Default

^^^Ammo?!
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 07-16-2017, 9:26 PM
Whiterabbit Whiterabbit is offline
Calguns Addict
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Bay Area
Posts: 6,713
iTrader: 13 / 100%
Default

of course.

You can also get very close if you just stone the existing LPK. Assuming you know what engagement surfaces to stone, which to leave alone, and which to reduce. But nothing wrong with spending $400 on a trigger group either. Especially when, 2 years from now, when your tastes change, you can move the part to whatever rifle you want.

Buy.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 07-16-2017, 9:27 PM
Darkstar5012 Darkstar5012 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2015
Location: Santa Maria
Posts: 147
iTrader: 18 / 100%
Default

If you've got the cash and don't see yourself selling the rifle down the road I'd say go for it.. A high quality trigger will improve just about any rifle exponentially, especially if it's replacing a mil spec set up. Even a simple polished and coated trigger like the ALG ACT or the one from BCM or Spikes is a very noticeable improvement and they are only $65.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 07-16-2017, 9:28 PM
SBsasquatch's Avatar
SBsasquatch SBsasquatch is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Inland Empire, So. Cal.
Posts: 825
iTrader: 3 / 100%
Default

I think a good trigger makes any gun pleasant to shoot. While a pour trigger on a great setup will stand out... ymmv
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 07-16-2017, 9:45 PM
ChuckDizzle ChuckDizzle is offline
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: Manteca (Where the Bass Pro is)
Posts: 3,460
iTrader: 1 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by SBsasquatch View Post
I think a good trigger makes any gun pleasant to shoot. While a pour trigger on a great setup will stand out... ymmv
+1

It's like buying high end tires for a car. It makes it all better, more better on some cars, but it's good on all of them.
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 07-16-2017, 10:06 PM
Soginator's Avatar
Soginator Soginator is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Posts: 1,654
iTrader: 2 / 100%
Default

The yays have it. I'll pick one up the next time primary arms has a sale. Thanks!
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 07-16-2017, 11:02 PM
holt7153's Avatar
holt7153 holt7153 is offline
G u n t h u s i a s t
CGN Contributor
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: 818
Posts: 1,268
iTrader: 4 / 100%
Default

I threw an ALG ACT on a budget build and it made a big difference.
__________________
Pornography is often frowned upon, but that's usually because I'm concentrating.
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 07-16-2017, 11:21 PM
Full Clip's Avatar
Full Clip Full Clip is offline
Calguns Addict
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Playa Vista, CA
Posts: 9,564
iTrader: 41 / 100%
Default

Eh, I have a Timney on a Mosin M44, so why not?
__________________
“Political tags — such as royalist, communist, democrat, populist, fascist, liberal, conservative, and so forth — are never basic criteria. The human race divides politically into those who want people to be controlled and those who have no such desire.” — Robert A. Heinlein

“It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds” — Samuel Adams
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 07-16-2017, 11:27 PM
SonofWWIIDI's Avatar
SonofWWIIDI SonofWWIIDI is online now
I need a LIFE!!
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Santa Clara county
Posts: 20,533
iTrader: 4 / 100%
Default

If you can afford it, why not?
__________________
•=iii=<(
🎺

Dear autocorrect, I'm really getting tired of your shirt!
Quote:
Originally Posted by LugerDevil666 View Post
No more stupid threads. you have my word
Quote:
Originally Posted by LugerDevil666 View Post
Rule 1 I'll admit I'm a jerk when I post stupid thread.....
Quote:
Originally Posted by Helmut Shmacher View Post
I'll do the picking.. Name wise .. if you don't mind...
Helmut Shmacher- Formerly lugerdevil666
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 07-17-2017, 12:13 AM
ElvenSoul's Avatar
ElvenSoul ElvenSoul is offline
Free at Last!
CGN Contributor
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: TEXAS!
Posts: 17,874
iTrader: 1 / 100%
Default

Guilty I had this one Mosin. She got the Fin Trigger Upgrade.

When the project was done I was in for $370ish.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 07-17-2017, 1:05 AM
jimbo74's Avatar
jimbo74 jimbo74 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: NorCal
Posts: 1,286
iTrader: 1 / 100%
Default

I put the PSA EPT in my rifle
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 07-17-2017, 1:59 AM
Rbutler's Avatar
Rbutler Rbutler is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 656
iTrader: 13 / 100%
Default

if it's a truck gun make sure the trigger will run dirty. had a large mb2t that would hand and the hammer not release from the hook when the trigger was released.

swapped to an ACT and it's a perfect blend of works anytime I pull the trigger and smooth pull
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 07-17-2017, 2:02 AM
M1NM's Avatar
M1NM M1NM is offline
Calguns Addict
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: West Covina
Posts: 5,449
iTrader: 44 / 100%
Default

Hone the stock stuff. I consider ARs to be plinkers not long range precision rifles. I do have a bull barrel RRA Varmint upper that I cleaned up a mil spec trigger and upgraded the springs on. More money in the trigger won't reduce my group size so why waste it?
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 07-17-2017, 5:49 AM
The Shootist's Avatar
The Shootist The Shootist is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: San Gabriel Valley
Posts: 1,336
iTrader: 28 / 100%
Default

If that's what you want go for it! I don't know if I would for an ar pistol but to each their own....You can always put it into a rifle later. I build ar's pretty inexpensively but they are good quality components used so I always drop in a nice trigger if I'm going to use it for getting the best groups I can....
__________________
NRA ENDOWMENT LIFE MEMBER
CRPA MEMBER
Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old 07-17-2017, 7:03 AM
17+1's Avatar
17+1 17+1 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Posts: 1,658
iTrader: 10 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by M1NM View Post
Hone the stock stuff. I consider ARs to be plinkers not long range precision rifles. I do have a bull barrel RRA Varmint upper that I cleaned up a mil spec trigger and upgraded the springs on. More money in the trigger won't reduce my group size so why waste it?
This. I'd polish sear surfaces and use a lightened spring kit for a cheap AR. I actually did this on my cheap blaster ARs.

For my high power service rifle, I used a RRA 2 stage. For a match you have a minimum pull weight requirement.

Depends on what you're doing. For a fun gun, you could rework it cheaply.
Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old 07-17-2017, 8:05 AM
Bansh88's Avatar
Bansh88 Bansh88 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: San Diego
Posts: 2,267
iTrader: 20 / 100%
Default

AR pistol is pretty much a novelty gun. Especially under 10".
But by all means, keep pissing away money.
Reply With Quote
  #21  
Old 07-17-2017, 8:12 AM
Stevehazard Stevehazard is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: SoCal
Posts: 174
iTrader: 5 / 100%
Default

If you want one I'd wait for them to show up on sale from PSA or somebody.
Reply With Quote
  #22  
Old 07-17-2017, 8:20 AM
Laurence927's Avatar
Laurence927 Laurence927 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2017
Location: San Diego, CA
Posts: 155
iTrader: 4 / 100%
Default

One of my first AR's I bought was a M&P15 Sport II and I've only put around 10,000 rounds through it without modifying the rifle at all, besides an optic. There was a pretty sweet sale on PA for Geissele triggers, so I bought an SSA-E for that particular rifle to see what the hype was all about on their triggers and to see if it actually made a difference with accuracy.... I loved it so much, all my builds/AR's now have Geissele's now as well as any future builds. But of course I'll be waiting for another sale because I'm a cheap bastard.

I do only recommend buying if you have the money to do so, the standard mil-spec triggers have all worked for me for a long time with no issues at all, the feeling of a quality triggers is pretty sweet though.
Reply With Quote
  #23  
Old 07-17-2017, 8:27 AM
17+1's Avatar
17+1 17+1 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Posts: 1,658
iTrader: 10 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bansh88 View Post
AR pistol is pretty much a novelty gun. Especially under 10".
But by all means, keep pissing away money.
Lmao!
Reply With Quote
  #24  
Old 07-17-2017, 8:56 AM
Jimi Jah's Avatar
Jimi Jah Jimi Jah is offline
I need a LIFE!!
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: North San Diego County
Posts: 11,228
iTrader: 1 / 100%
Default

ALG QMS in my 7.5" pistol. I use the better stuff on the rifles.
Reply With Quote
  #25  
Old 07-17-2017, 10:06 AM
808@515 808@515 is online now
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2013
Location: NorCal East Bay
Posts: 573
iTrader: 1 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimi Jah View Post
ALG QMS in my 7.5" pistol. I use the better stuff on the rifles.
To clarify a statement I made earlier. I have Geissele in my PSA rifles. I have ALG and polished milspec in other in other lowers that run great. I'd probably put the ALG in a pistol if I were to build one. YMMV
Reply With Quote
  #26  
Old 07-17-2017, 10:40 AM
baih777 baih777 is offline
CGN/CGSSA Contributor
CGN Contributor
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Torrance
Posts: 3,257
iTrader: 55 / 100%
Default

Cheap rifle, just put these springs in. You need the kit with the red hammer spring. Dont get the kit with the yellow hammer spring.

https://www.jprifles.com/buy.php?item=JPS3.5T
__________________
Been gone too long. It's been 15 to 20 years since i had to shelf my guns. Those early years sucked.
I really miss the good old Pomona Gun Shows.
I'm Back.
Reply With Quote
  #27  
Old 07-17-2017, 10:45 AM
E92335i's Avatar
E92335i E92335i is offline
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: GSW, SF Giants, 49ers
Posts: 2,734
iTrader: 36 / 100%
Default

Yes I would.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #28  
Old 07-17-2017, 11:17 AM
Ki6vsm Ki6vsm is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: San Diego, CA
Posts: 838
iTrader: 0 / 0%
Default

Definitely fine on any rifle, even a "cheap" one. It will improve your shooting experience. The nice trigger can always be moved to another rifle later on. Or sold later on.

It isn't like you're paying for an expensive paint job on a cheap car. THAT would be fool hardy.
Reply With Quote
  #29  
Old 07-17-2017, 11:18 AM
buruli buruli is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Posts: 116
iTrader: 6 / 100%
Default

AR Gold and Eotech EXPS 2-0 on an MP15-22. Wicked fast little gun. Win overall first in most of the local steel matches. Worth putting good stuff on a cheap gun...yes for me at least.
Reply With Quote
  #30  
Old 07-17-2017, 1:38 PM
r_seng r_seng is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 112
iTrader: 4 / 100%
Default

Absolutely, it completely changes the feel and makes it that much more enjoyable to shoot.

As most have already said, if you can afford it (wait for sales ), why not?
Reply With Quote
  #31  
Old 07-17-2017, 1:45 PM
1919_4_ME's Avatar
1919_4_ME 1919_4_ME is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Socal
Posts: 1,807
iTrader: 44 / 100%
Default

Sure why not.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s....php?t=1357022
Reply With Quote
  #32  
Old 07-17-2017, 1:49 PM
Nguyen's Avatar
Nguyen Nguyen is offline
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Orange County
Posts: 2,882
iTrader: 96 / 100%
Default

i bought a kidd trigger for my 10/22... my 10/22 only cost me 200 and the kidd trigger cost 250.
__________________


Quote:
"The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. A well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, trained to arms, is the best and most natural defense of a free country."
- Dianne Feinstein
Reply With Quote
  #33  
Old 07-17-2017, 2:32 PM
MarikinaMan MarikinaMan is online now
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2015
Posts: 2,531
iTrader: 16 / 100%
Default

Trigger, BCG and barrel. Everything else is bling.
Reply With Quote
  #34  
Old 07-17-2017, 3:38 PM
emmortal emmortal is offline
Member
 
Join Date: May 2016
Posts: 137
iTrader: 16 / 100%
Default

Go with an ALG for $70 and call it a day. It will be a nice improvement over the stock trigger and you won't be dumping a ton of cash into it.
Reply With Quote
  #35  
Old 07-18-2017, 12:16 AM
Rigma's Avatar
Rigma Rigma is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: NorCal
Posts: 942
iTrader: 8 / 100%
Default



I kid... A good trigger is a low risk investment because it can be the difference in deciding what gun comes out of the safe for range time. Even then, it can always end up in another rifle if you change your mind...
__________________
I don't know how political I am, I don't get into all that crap....I just love freedom...
-Kaziah Hancock
Reply With Quote
  #36  
Old 07-18-2017, 12:41 AM
hcbr's Avatar
hcbr hcbr is offline
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Los Angeles
Posts: 4,598
iTrader: 65 / 100%
Default

sure why not.
__________________
Be the change that you wish to see in the world.
Mahatma Gandhi

"A bullet sounds the same in every language..."
Stewie Griffin (Family Guy Episode: Stewie Griffin: The Untold Story 2005)
Reply With Quote
  #37  
Old 07-18-2017, 12:47 AM
anbu_yoshi's Avatar
anbu_yoshi anbu_yoshi is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: Sacramento
Posts: 2,165
iTrader: 87 / 100%
Default

Even the geometry between MIL triggers are different so watch out for those. I compared my DD MIL trigger vs PSA and Anderson kits and immediately noticed the differences in shapes.

ALG triggers are pretty darn good for the price though, especially the coated ones. They feel better new over my uber broken in Sig MIL trigger so I swapped that one too.

Follow Bill Geiselle's advise for trigger choices also. I have the SSA and SSA-E on different rifles depending on what they're intended for.
Reply With Quote
  #38  
Old 07-18-2017, 12:57 AM
Droppin Deuces's Avatar
Droppin Deuces Droppin Deuces is offline
Calguns Addict
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: In your THOTs
Posts: 5,993
iTrader: 10 / 100%
Default

I have a complete 22LR AR with a standard trigger(JP springs), but I almost always take it apart and use one of my 2st trigger lowers instead. It makes it that much more enjoyable to shoot. It's worth it to have a good trigger. Even a RRA 2st is a nice improvement over the standard LPK trigger

Last edited by Droppin Deuces; 07-18-2017 at 12:59 AM..
Reply With Quote
  #39  
Old 07-18-2017, 4:54 AM
Tasty's Avatar
Tasty Tasty is offline
CGN/CGSSA Contributor
CGN Contributor
 
Join Date: May 2011
Posts: 1,712
iTrader: 9 / 100%
Default

It's your money, do what you want. Putting a decent trigger in it isn't going to make it a good rifle.

You can sprinkle gold flakes on a turd but at the end of the day, it's still a turd.
Reply With Quote
  #40  
Old 07-18-2017, 4:14 PM
Clairvaux's Avatar
Clairvaux Clairvaux is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Socal South Bay
Posts: 456
iTrader: 16 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rigma View Post
A good trigger is a low risk investment because it can be the difference in deciding what gun comes out of the safe for range time. Even then, it can always end up in another rifle if you change your mind...
Agree; and agree

__________________
WTB: P220 Match, P229 Scorpion, Walther GSP, Stag 6, Trijicon TR24 / TR25, VX-6HD, G19
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump



All times are GMT -8. The time now is 8:32 PM.




Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.9
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Proudly hosted by GeoVario the Premier 2A host.
Calguns.net, the 'Calguns' name and all associated variants and logos are ® Trademark and © Copyright 2002-2018, Calguns.net an Incorporated Company All Rights Reserved.