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Old 07-17-2017, 1:14 AM
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QUESTION FOR LE. I ALWAYS DRIVE ON 605 FREEWAY GOING TO WORK TOWARD 105 AND I ALWAYS SEE PEOPLE HOPPING IN AND OUT OF CARPOOL LANE BUT I NEVER SEEN LE DOING ANYTHING ABOUT IT. DID THE CARPOOL LANE LOST MEANINGS?
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Old 07-17-2017, 1:29 AM
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If you want carpool violations, CHP hammers folks on the 110 NB at the 405/91 and 182nd street on ramps.
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Old 07-17-2017, 6:52 AM
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Old 07-17-2017, 12:25 PM
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Too many people, not enough cops. Our freeways are so congested it's just the current state of affairs at the moment
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I was driving 2-3 times per week over a two month period from Gardena out to Pomona for an event with my son, hence we would be two in the car and use the 91/57 carpool lanes. It simply amazed me how many times cars occupied by one person would simply cross the double (or double double yellows) in front of us, and then suddenly do the same back into regular traffic.
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CHP would normally handle carpool lane violations. However, they are short staffed and usually handling a traffic collision, which means there won't be another CHP officer for miles....

CA motorists are increasingly not giving a darn and just taking their chances...

Eventually they'll get a ticket, it's just a matter of time
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I recently read that CHP can only enforce HOV while on overtime.

READ http://abc7news.com/traffic/proposed...aters/2149072/

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According to the MTC, CHP officers can only enforce cheating during overtime hours.
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Those stickers currently cost $22, but the MTC wants to double the price to $44 to raise money to cover the cost of overtime for CHP patrols that would specifically target carpool lane cheaters.
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I recently read that CHP can only enforce HOV while on overtime.

READ http://abc7news.com/traffic/proposed...aters/2149072/
I doubt that quote is accurate. I don't think I have ever seen a law that can only be enforced by anyone authorized to enforce it only on overtime status, that would be just plain stupid.

What it is probably trying to say is that the MTC (which is a Bay Area commission, not statewide) can only have CHP dedicated to enforce it solely on an overtime basis.

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I recently read that CHP can only enforce HOV while on overtime.

READ http://abc7news.com/traffic/proposed...aters/2149072/


Looks like typical news media getting the facts wrong to me.


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Old 07-17-2017, 4:46 PM
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Maybe it is a hybrid car that can drive in HOV lane with one person in it.
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What if they identify as 2 people?
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Interesting data here with details and plans for each HOV area in the state http://www.dot.ca.gov/trafficops/tm/...ction-plan.pdf

A little more about what MTC wants here, a better article and no mention of overtime only enforcement
http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/06/2...officials-say/
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What if they identify as 2 people?
That's what I do. My beer belly is actually a 5 month old fetus..... well that's what I'm gonna tell them anyways.
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There's always 3 in my car...me, myself and I. lol
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There's always 3 in my car...me, myself and I. lol
Good one Ernie, now press hard and sign the ticket. You can guess how well that would go over.
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Old 07-18-2017, 4:51 PM
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That one almost works as well as "Does the body in the trunk count?"
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Here's one I always wondered about. Let's say you had one of those panel vans that has no windows in the back and you're driving by yourself in the carpool lane. A police officer sees you drive by with no one in the passenger seat. The officer stops you and cites you for the violation. Could you fight the ticket based on the officer's PC for the stop? Since they can't see in the back they can't see if you're alone or not.
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The PC is you appear to be a single driver in a panel van. Panel vans don't usually have seats in the back and if you did and someone was belted into them, you would not have received a ticket in the first place.
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Semi OT .. When my kids were infants, I used to drive in the HOV lane with them in the back. Always wondered when or if I was going to get pulled over. Figure I'd pull over, smile, and point to my kiddo in the back. Never got a chance to do this as I was never pulled over..

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Here's one I always wondered about. Let's say you had one of those panel vans that has no windows in the back and you're driving by yourself in the carpool lane. A police officer sees you drive by with no one in the passenger seat. The officer stops you and cites you for the violation. Could you fight the ticket based on the officer's PC for the stop? Since they can't see in the back they can't see if you're alone or not.
They don't have to KNOW you committed a violation, only have reasonable suspicion. PC, probable cause, is really not the standard for them to stop you. They just have to reasonably suspect that you may be in violation, then they can stop you to investigate. If they walk up and no one else is in the van, then BINGO expensive ticket. If they walk up and you have a passenger then no ticket for the non-existent carpool violation.
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I can use the HOV lane with my 1 year old in her car seat but I don't because I assume any CHP officer that sees me will pull me over and even though Im not breaking the law I don't want to hassle with a traffic stop.
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I've pulled over many cars in the HOV lane with a baby in the backseat. I just walk up and apologize and tell them to have a nice day.
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I know a young techy female who drives in the HOV lane always.
If she gets a ticket, she considers it an HOV fee.
6 years. No ticket.
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I doubt that quote is accurate. I don't think I have ever seen a law that can only be enforced by anyone authorized to enforce it only on overtime status, that would be just plain stupid.

What it is probably trying to say is that the MTC (which is a Bay Area commission, not statewide) can only have CHP dedicated to enforce it solely on an overtime basis.
Of course the law can be enforced at anytime, it's just resource allocation. A local PD I work in conjunction with a lot does the exact same thing but with cell phone violations.
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I was cruising the car pool lane one day and my child was in the passenger seat, leaned back asleep. Cop saw me, cut through traffic, got close enough that she could actually see him sitting there, and went on about her business.
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CHP would normally handle carpool lane violations. However, they are short staffed and usually handling a traffic collision, which means there won't be another CHP officer for miles....

CA motorists are increasingly not giving a darn and just taking their chances...

Eventually they'll get a ticket, it's just a matter of time
And there seems to be a push for the CHP to provide security/safety for construction crews, reducing roaming units.

In a few years this problem will go away. Most of the carpool lanes will be turned into toll lanes. They just announced this morning the 10 fwy from Claremont to Redlands will become toll lanes. Just another untapped revenue source as far as the government is concerned.

The question I've been asking myself is was this the plan all along? Most Californians would have squawked if they had built the carpool lanes as toll roads from the get go. But now just converting them to toll roads seems not as big of a deal. Win Win for the government.
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In a few years this problem will go away. Most of the carpool lanes will be turned into toll lanes.
Yep, and the divide between the elitists and the peasants grows wider. Those who can afford it will get to cruise through the traffic while looking down on the peons sitting and waiting. Same thing will happen with health care when they get single payer or "medicare for all" passed, peasants wait to get treated by overworked physicians while those that can afford it have concierge physicains on call. This state is going full potato.
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CHP would normally handle carpool lane violations. However, they are short staffed and usually handling a traffic collision, which means there won't be another CHP officer for miles....

CA motorists are increasingly not giving a darn and just taking their chances...

Eventually they'll get a ticket, it's just a matter of time
If someone gets away with it 100 times before being cited, it isn't a bad deal if you divide the total fine by 100 = net cost per each violation.
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In a few years this problem will go away. Most of the carpool lanes will be turned into toll lanes. They just announced this morning the 10 fwy from Claremont to Redlands will become toll lanes. Just another untapped revenue source as far as the government is concerned.
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If the hours of the carpool lane are not clearly displayed you can fight a carpool ticket and win all day long. The law states the hours of operation have to be clearly marked. Fyi.

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Carpool lane is not a moving violation. Make it one and see if diamond lane congestion lessens and without taking up additional man hours for enforcement.
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SoCal needs to follow the NorCal model where the lanes are HOV during congestion times and regular lanes off peak.

Of course that would necessitate common sense.....
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A law passed by kommiecrats to divide us more and make LEO's enforce. It's more failed social engineering to make us give up our own vehicles and take public transportation. While the elitist cruise in their Cadillac suv's.
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Of course that would necessitate common sense.....
They are if the times of operation are not posted..

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There's just too many ppl and too many of them are stupid. No matter what you do, stupid ppl will always be in ur way.
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