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Arguing that Gunsmithing is expensive is much like arguing that gasoline is expensive when racing cars. It's all just part of the cost of the hobby...
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Randall Rausch AR work: www.ar15barrels.com Bolt actions: www.700barrels.com Foreign Semi Autos: www.akbarrels.com Barrel, sight and trigger work on most pistols and shotguns. Most work performed while-you-wait, evening and saturday appointments available. |
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....So... Now we're talking $115 + shipping.. $130....
Your math is good but you didn't mention that once you have the tools you can use them on more than one gun or at the range on multiple guns or loan them to friends and thety rareky wear out. I use all kinds of tools for work and for hobbies. I have tens and tens of thousands in tools. I learned a very long time ago to never loan them to ANYONE. They have a tendency of not being returned. And... why would I need the tools for multiple guns? I only have one savage, and eventually, when I buy another bolt action, it's highly unlikely to be another savage. Why would I use the tools at the range? Because it's fun to rezero a scope every range trip? Randall found my headspace was out of tolerance from the factory.... by people that assemble them day in day out for a living... And yet you shot the gun for four years with it all messed up and no complaints if I am reading this correctly? And I should trust a sized case and a click to be dead nuts? If its been working for years now and was out of spec that entire time as you posted earlier YES! NO! It's out of spec, and it overworks the brass, and it lowers pressure meaning my rounds are slow. And if you want to say "it's fine"... It the clear and obvious point that you should not be working on guns. I'm afraid I'd have to pass. It make work fine for you. But I'll pass. Your choice. I am curious what a third party would measure on your rifle though. I am curious as well. I work over my own triggers, do my own action and scope base bedding, heck, you should see what I did to that factory tupperware stock.... woodblocks, bondo and 4+ layers of fiberglass... Worked over my 1911 myself too. You work over your own triggers but with the proper tools you wouldn't put a barrel on a Savage In this case, I had Randall install the muzzle brake. When I rebarrel, He will move the brake over to my new barrel, as well as headspace it. No comment Costs less than the tools including go/no go and shipping. I wont need to mess with it for nearly a decade. I'd misplace those tools in ten years. Lastly, "guys that shoot alot....." Well, depends on the cartridge for one..... I shoot a 308 which should have an accurate barrel life of 6,000 + rounds. I takes a while to wear one out. If someone shoots a 243 with a whopping 2,000 round barrel life, going through a barrel or even 2 per year, Consider the cost of the ammo, the cost of the barrels, in the first place..... those people have money to burn anyway. It wouldnt matter much if they bought the tools, (IF THEY KNEW HOW TO PROPERLY USE THEM WITH GAUGES) or pay a smith to do the barrel swap anyway- Such people usually arent shooting a savage in the first place, and require a smiths services. I'm pretty much the only competitor that shoots a savage at our competitions. Last edited by postal; 06-05-2013 at 12:32 PM.. |
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Besides prairie dog shooters amd f class shooters, people that wear out 1-2 barrels a year rarely shoot savage rifles.
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Randall Rausch AR work: www.ar15barrels.com Bolt actions: www.700barrels.com Foreign Semi Autos: www.akbarrels.com Barrel, sight and trigger work on most pistols and shotguns. Most work performed while-you-wait, evening and saturday appointments available. |
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I usually replace 4 barrels each year and none of them have ever had 2000 rounds on them let alone 6,000 rounds.Your in it to win it is my motto.I don't know you but if your stoning triggers and your concerned about brass being overworked putting a barrel on a Savage is not a big deal. Lynn |
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HAHAHAAAA!
Yes I reload. 175SMK 44g varget in BH (win) brass. Yes it concerns me it's overworking my brass because the the headspace was too long, allowing the brass to stretch too far, and with a LARGER expanded case, pressure drops. I do full length resize after every firing. That stretch and crush of the case has likely worn the brass significantly more than it should have. If I was after a higher pressure, more powder capacity, more vel, I'd shoot a 260 or 243. I prefer the long barrel life of the 308. So even when I do wear out this barrel, I'll probably stick with 308. How was I to know it was OUT OF SPEC from the factory? I dont own go/no go gauges. That was the first time it was checked. Wouldnt anyone *ASSUME* their rifle was within tolerance from the factory? And be upset to found it it wasnt? Not that it's 'fine' out of spec like you claim. It isnt fine- thats why there are specs to begin with, and if it is NOT in spec, it is NOT fine. Replacing a 308 barrel at sub 2000 rounds is truely a waste of money. Clearly you have excess money to spend on rifles if you do this..... *AND* since this is the "precision rifle forum", almost no one else here shoots a savage. So.... with all this excess money you apparently have with all these extra barrels, why do you shoot a savage instead of a custom action, or AI, or TRG, custom 700? I shoot a savage because I'm on a budget. When I have funds, I will go to a 700 based custom action. Probably a Tac 30. so this is my first and probably last savage. Now explain to me again why a guy with *some tools* but not all necessary tools, (go/nogo gauges) who unsafely swaps barrels should try and convince a guy to do the same? Oh, thats right.... you like to 'tinker'... like a shadetree mechanic... or as often called "Do it *to* yourselfers". But lastly, I can honestly say, that I do not respect your opinion (because of your unsafe practices that you actually tell others they should do the same), and could care less what you think. Regards, I'm out. |
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Last edited by LynnJr; 10-08-2013 at 8:17 PM.. |
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