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Old 01-02-2018, 6:15 PM
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Already featureless, no neutering required. Breaks down into a much more compact size for transportation allowing you to carry a bag that does not scream "rifle."



If something like this was made in Austria I think 922r would come into play, which may or may not effect you particularly.
Good thing Glock has an American factory.
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A factory threaded barrel is worth a lot more to me than a Ruger mag. I'm thinking a muzzle brake from FM Products would be a good fit.
Agree 100%, I could care less about the Ruger mag when I have dozens of Glock mags, many 10-rounders here and standard 17-rounders in Nevada.
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Agree 100%, I could care less about the Ruger mag when I have dozens of Glock mags, many 10-rounders here and standard 17-rounders in Nevada.
I have a request in for either version. Told my FFL to keep the mag if I get the threaded barrel version. But I wont mind the unthreaded either. I also have a boatload of Glock mags already.
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I have a request in for either version. Told my FFL to keep the mag if i get the threaded barrel version. But I wont mind the unthreaded either. I also have a boatload of Glock mags already.
Very nice, I hope you're in for one of the first batches in Feb, post pics for sure.
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This one's going to be winner I'm looking forward to the 45acp that will accept 1911 mags version. Very practical gun.
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Very nice, I hope you're in for one of the first batches in Feb, post pics for sure.
Oh noes, we have to wait until Feb?!!? I guess we have to wait for Shot Show to conclude then we will see the new stuff on the shelves, most of which we wont be able to get in the Republik anyhow.
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This one's going to be winner I'm looking forward to the 45acp that will accept 1911 mags version. Very practical gun.
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Glock 17/19 10-round magazines usually have a different follower than the standard magazines, which can sometimes cause feeding issues with JHPs. It will be interesting to see how reliability the PC Carbine works with these.

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1) call Glock and they'll send you correct follower
2) buy the $2 follower 9MM3
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Which brand of mags would you guys recommend price wise?
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The 9mm3 followers don't always solve the problem. Many people have reported that the 9mm3 followers cause feeding issues on the 4th to 6th round.
But that is on a Glock, and frankly very few people report this - relatively speaking. We have no idea if this will be any sort of a problem on the new Ruger carbine but I'll go out on a limb and say, probably not.

Plus as alternates, there are blocked mags, G17 mags, G26 mags, Gen 5 mags. It is raining down proven mags for this carbine.
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First new rifle design that has caught my interest in a long while.
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I'm gonna order the 17rd version and have it shipped w/o the mags from out of state. It comes with a threaded barrel.
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I'm in....I want it. 9mm is my "house wine". This is a great product idea from Ruger. It comes with a Glock magazine conversion bit. I've seen the video on how you install that and it is dead simple.

I'm definitely a buyer. Will look forward to some actual buyer/user reviewing it here.
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I'm in....I want it. 9mm is my "house wine". This is a great product idea from Ruger.
I'm looking forward to this little carbine, but 9mm is well bourbon, heheh. Car analogies are annoying to me but alcohol has no effect.
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How about that 65gn 9mm bullet@ 2003 fps...? Interesting




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How about that 65gn 9mm bullet@ 2003 fps...? Interesting
Or this bit from the AR article...
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I'd want a 10mm version.

I'm sure someone else mentioned that in this thread, but I didn't want to read 7 pages.
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Also from the NRA article:

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It’s worth noting here that Ruger advises that some Magpul Glock-pattern magazines may not function reliably with the PC Carbine. Factory Glock magazines, however, have been found to function well, as have some other aftermarket offerings, including 50- and 100-round drum designs.
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Or this bit from the AR article...
That would be good because the first thought I had when seeing the take down was zeroing issues with a red dot or scope

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Should be "safe" to shoot steel at 25 yards with this right?
Velocity is a bit higher due to rifle length barrel but it's still pistol caliber.
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Should be "safe" to shoot steel at 25 yards with this right?
Velocity is a bit higher due to rifle length barrel but it's still pistol caliber.
Probably safe at 10 yards.
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Affirmative, agent88. I hope some are paying attention to your post. That NovX 65gr bullet comes out at 2,031 fps and 595 ft/lbs of energy, and, if you half believe their ads, its expansion is a bad guy's worst nightmare. They didn't provide numbers at 25 and 50 yards, but that's a lot of velocity and energy.

This illustrates something that some shooters refuse to acknowledge, that there are modern 9mm factory loads out there that are much nastier than what was available in years gone by, whether from pistol barrels or longer, and are plenty sufficient for self defense.

Yup, someone will pop up and say, yes, but it's not as fast as "x", like 6.5 Creedmore or something, or yes, but my .45acp develops 596 ft/lbs of energy. Great....shoot what you like, I say. 9mm is my chosen caliber.

I'm going to buy the new Ruger PC9 Carbine. I'd like to have one handy around the house when the unwashed masses rise up from the cities, storming into the suburbs and surrounding towns, demanding the economic justice promised to them by our previous Dear Leader.

Sorry....got carried away there. It'll be fun to shoot.
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This illustrates something that some shooters refuse to acknowledge, that there are modern 9mm factory loads out there that are much nastier than what was available in years gone by, whether from pistol barrels or longer, and are plenty sufficient for self defense.

Sorry....got carried away there. It'll be fun to shoot.
Yup there's always someone loading a abnormally tiny bullet into every caliber to achieve freakish numbers on paper... every caliber.

http://ballistics101.com/10mm.php

10mm Auto TFSP 77 1015 2420

How about a tiny 77 grain 10mm Auto with 1015 ft/lbs of energy? Cool exceptions to read about and ooooh and ahhhhh for sure.
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100rd drum
hmmm, imagine showing up to a USPSA match with the 100rd drum. won't even have to reload until halfway through the match.
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I'd want a 10mm version.

I'm sure someone else mentioned that in this thread, but I didn't want to read 7 pages.
If Ruger makes a 10mm version... Damn, take my money again!
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Yup there's always someone loading a abnormally tiny bullet into every caliber to achieve freakish numbers on paper... every caliber.

http://ballistics101.com/10mm.php

10mm Auto TFSP 77 1015 2420

How about a tiny 77 grain 10mm Auto with 1015 ft/lbs of energy? Cool exceptions to read about and ooooh and ahhhhh for sure.
Not on that list but also nasty business is the 10mm Underwood loaded with 100 grain Xtreme Defender at 1825FPS or the 115gn XD at 1700.

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Not on that list but also nasty business is the 10mm Underwood loaded with 100 grain Xtreme Defender at 1825FPS or the 115gn XD at 1700.



Yep!
Wow, that's fast too. I have some +P+ Buffalo Bore 115 grain that's only labeled 1500 fps.

I'd love to see what a 10mm traveling 2400+ fps can do... wonder what it'd be out of a carbine barrel.
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I'm just stating the obvious but this new Ruger 9mm carbine, that could take Glock mags, has gotten more attention and post that seem mostly positive and hopeful than any other new fire arm that's been posted on Calguns in a long long time.

I sure hope this is big hit for Ruger and they really start to mass-produce them to help bring and keep the prices down.
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Ruger listened and gave the market what it asked. I can't wait for different versions such as one with a full length wood stock.

It's also nice we can buy this thing in CA without jumping through any hoops

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this new Ruger 9mm carbine, that could take Glock mags, has gotten more attention and post that seem mostly positive and hopeful than any other new fire arm that's been posted on Calguns in a long long time.
I was pretty excited about my Walther slide, but I'm way more excited about this Ruger. I think the PC9 was a unicorn for me that I always hoped to find in decent shape for a decent price... never materialized yet and I guess that's a good thing. Personally I like everything about this carbine. Take-down, integrated receiver rail, 10/22 trigger packs, fluted med/heavy contour, maybe threaded, delayed blow-back, GLOCK MAGS.

I have a few MEC-GARS for my P95 if I ever found a PC9... but I have a load of standard Glock mags... short, tall, extremely tall.
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Great read, thank you. So closing in on 300 posts and 10k views? I guess we are excited we can finally have something new and differant available to us in California.
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Should be "safe" to shoot steel at 25 yards with this right?
Velocity is a bit higher due to rifle length barrel but it's still pistol caliber.
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I would think so.

With a 124gr +P round, the 16" barrel is going to provide an additional ~150-200fps of velocity (compared to a 4-5" barrel), which is about the same as a .357 SIG handgun.
The 9mm does not have a very large powder charge. So the powder is pretty much fully burned in the first 6-8”.

As far as picking up 150-200 FPS....not in my testing. Using WWB 115gr factory ammo I get around 1250 FPS out of my Taccom PCC rig....5 1/2” barrel with pinned and welded extension to make 16” barrel.

My JP GMT-13 with a 14 1/2” barrel (pinned muzzle brake) using the same WWB ammo I averaged 1325 FPS.

We shoot steel targets with PCC rigs as close as 7 yards during steel challenge and USPSA matches with no problem.


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i just found youtube reviews dating four years ago.
how am i now just hearing about these.
this would have made me not want the sub2000 so bad lol

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Which professional testing?

You aren't going to pick up more than about 75fps in 9mm, even in +p. Not a hater. I have an MPX and still plan to get me one of these, but the 9mm out of a 16in barrel shoots like it does out of a 5in barrel.

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Which professional testing?

You aren't going to pick up more than about 75fps in 9mm, even in +p. Not a hater. I have an MPX and still plan to get me one of these, but the 9mm out of a 16in barrel shoots like it does out of a 5in barrel.

http://ballisticsbytheinch.com/9luger.html
According to your link, the hot rounds are up to 200FPS faster from 16" compared to 5", in test barrels.

Corbon 90gr +P
16" 1740FPS
5" 1539 FPS
Delta 201FPS
And in the real gun test it was 300FPS faster (Korth 5" vs Beretta 16")

Corbon 115gr +P
16" 1525FPS
5" 1372FPS
Delta 153FPS
And in the real gun test it was 212FPS faster. (Korth 5" vs Beretta 16")

125gr was 148FPS faster.

Every +P round tested there was ~150FPS faster at least.

Your link.
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Gimmick rounds. Look at the rest of the tests of rounds people actually shoot.
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Originally Posted by John Browning View Post
Gimmick rounds. Look at the rest of the tests of rounds people actually shoot.
They didn't test nearly all the rounds that people shoot. Underwood not there, Buffalo Bore not there. I bet you would see north of 350FPS difference if they did.

And gimmick round? Is the Federal 105gr a gimmick round? It was 164FPS faster from the test barrels.

The 9mm rounds 'people actually shoot' are usually from handguns. Most 9mm ammo is shot from handguns I'm guessing. So the commonly found rounds are not made hotter than they need to be.

But hotter ammo is out there, and it performs substantially better from a longer barrel. If you are shooting mouse gun ammo out of your carbine, don't blame the carbine.
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