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Old 08-12-2019, 3:05 PM
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Default Benelli M4 vs Beretta 1301 Tac

Would like some inputs from owners
The beretta 1301 Tac seems to be the new thing in town
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Old 08-12-2019, 3:06 PM
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I'm definitely looking at the 1301 based on the review on Lucky Gunner.
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Old 08-12-2019, 3:17 PM
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I’ve been running one for a few years now. I was at a 4 day shotgun class and out of the M4’s, mossberg, and Remington. The 1301 is the only semi auto I saw NEVER have a problem. That’s what made my mind up. I have about 700 or so through mine with a mix of bird, 00 buck, and slug. Runs like a sewing machine
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I currently own a 1301 Comp and love it for birds and clays with light loads. If I was going to be shooting 00 Buck and Slugs constantly for "tactical" reasons or home defense I would opt for the Benelli. The 1301 isn't bad with heavy loads, and is certainly better than a pump, but I think the M4's gas system is better designed for mitigating heavier recoil.

That being said I have never actually shot one to compare.
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So far so good
Keep em coming!
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I have a 1301 Tac, buddy has a M4. After shooting both, the Beretta operated smoother(IMO). After about 500 rounds of various types of ammo (bird, buck, slug) the 1301 had zero malfunctions, while there was 8 in the Benelli (7 FTE and 1 FTF). I still think the M4 is an amazing shotgun, but I couldn’t help but smile knowing I paid $1k less and enjoyed my gun more.
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Old 08-13-2019, 12:14 AM
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I have both and prefer the Beretta 1301. I put a kick-off on it and the recoil is less than the M4 with equal loads. I have the 1301 Comp and when I put on the 24 inch barrel I can use it in sporting clays and skeet. You can't do that with the M4. I have regular shotgun stocks on both because I am more used to them than pistol grips on shotguns. They are both great guns, but the M4 does not like light loads, while the 1301 handles everything.

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M4 c-stock is really handy. The argos tames that recoil nicely
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M4 c-stock is really handy. The argos tames that recoil nicely
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Just buy both and call it a day!
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New langdon tactical 1301 comes with all the upgrades
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IN the Front Sight Classes I have been to I have seen that the Benelli's are more complicated to run but are nice shotguns.

The Beretta's are also nice and run easier and cost less.

My Browning A5 cost me $500 and another $125 for a Buck Special Barrel with Rifle Sights. It has never malfunctioned and is much faster to load and shoot than either of the other two guns.

Another gun to ponder. It is also way more accurate than either of the other two with slugs.

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I've shot both, and with heavy loads, the M4 is softer. That translated to better accuracy for me specifically. I have not had problems cycling light trap loads, and have no issues with buck/slugs in terms of accuracy. The 1301 is slightly lighter, which also may have been a cause of the heavier felt recoil. I can ghost load in the M4, and with a +1, can hold 10+1. The 1301 has extended tubes also, but I have not added one yet. Ergos are also personal, and I prefer the traditional stock of the 1301 while shooting around, but for tactical types, I prefer the adjustable M4 on middle setting so that I can be square to the targets.

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I have both and prefer the Beretta 1301. I put a kick-off on it and the recoil is less than the M4 with equal loads. I have the 1301 Comp and when I put on the 24 inch barrel I can use it in sporting clays and skeet. You can't do that with the M4. I have regular shotgun stocks on both because I am more used to them than pistol grips on shotguns. They are both great guns, but the M4 does not like light loads, while the 1301 handles everything.
Kick-off is available for the 1301? I saw one on their site that implied compatibility in item title, but upon asking a rep at Beretta via Facebook he said it doesn't fit. I've yet to shoot mine, the desert is 100+ degrees. I've installed a Magpul SGA with the Aridus adapter, the thick pad on the SGA should help with recoil.

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I've shot both, and with heavy loads, the M4 is softer. That translated to better accuracy for me specifically. I have not had problems cycling light trap loads, and have no issues with buck/slugs in terms of accuracy. The 1301 is slightly lighter, which also may have been a cause of the heavier felt recoil. I can ghost load in the M4, and with a +1, can hold 10+1. The 1301 has extended tubes also, but I have not added one yet. Ergos are also personal, and I prefer the traditional stock of the 1301 while shooting around, but for tactical types, I prefer the adjustable M4 on middle setting so that I can be square to the targets.

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FYI... Best price I've found for the Nordic extension for the 1301: https://www.shieldgroupamt.com/produ...696021447-2229 But, it's often out of stock. I wound up getting one from grabagun.com (which is a little more) due to positive experience with past orders. 7+1 total capacity. Adds a little more weight to the muzzle. Also, for 2019 the 1301 is threaded for chokes and comes with two CYL Optima HP chokes. It's no longer fixed.

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I've never held a Beretta 1301. Over the years I've almost bought a Benelli M4 on a number of occasions.

But my issue is I've read some reviews online as well as YouTube vids, etc where they show the Benelli M4 choking on Low Recoil shells. Specifically the Fiocchi 12 ga 00 Low Recoil shells I stocked up on many years ago and use 100% of the time for training and HD in my Mossberg 590A1. They're sated on the box at 1150 fps.

If the 1301 Tac can cycle them then I may be at LGS shopping for one very soon. Seems like a very reliable semi auto option.
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I've not had any trouble using bird shot in the M4. It's fun to bang clays with it.

Never held the Beretta.
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I used this unit:

https://www.berettausa.com/en-us/ber...xtrema/c87927/

It fits fine on the synthetic stock. Helps with heavy recoiling slugs.
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Old 08-14-2019, 7:51 PM
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One more thing the 1301 Comp is built on a 3 1/2" frame and the Tac is built on a 3 inch frame, so I do not know if the kick-off will fit the tac but it does fit the Comp.

I think that the supposed advantage to M4 is that the twin pistons are more self cleaning. I usually clean mine after each use so I can't vouch for that. On the other hand the 1301 comp since I shoot it a lot more, I usually clean after 500 rounds and no problems.
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I was looking at this comparison a few years ago:

1. 1301 is way cheaper
2. You can buy the 1301 with a pistol grip/extended mag/cheek riser at Botach
3. 1301 uses the Blink system, which is used for the a400 hunting shotgun. Itís been tested for light and heavy loads and will eat them all. M4 wonít
4. Extremely fast. Can unload the entire mag in about 2 seconds
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Old 08-14-2019, 9:29 PM
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Took quite a few classes withmy Beretta 1201fp which is the precursor of the 1301, never had any excessive recoil from it.

Developed quite a prejudice against the M4 during a 2-day class when some guy brought his new M4, this was when they were brand new and everyone wanted to ooh and aah over it. A couple hours into the class, he had to stop because his shoulder was just too beat-up. The Instructors tried to have him switch to birdshot, but he still couldn't continue. Don't think he showed-up for the 2nd day.

I think the M4 was designed as a secondary weapon for breaching and not meant to be fired all that much, and it was braced against body armor, so I don't think recoil from long sessions was a worry.

While I think the newer ones may have better padding, I don't think I'd ever own one.
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Dammit. I want a 24 inch 1301 comp with kick off now to go with my M4....the 1301 tac marine is sexy too though!
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The m4 is a fantastic shotgun. Mine has about 1200 rounds through it and it feeds everything I throw at it...which includes several hundred rounds of the Walmart Federal bulk pack birdshot. It has not had a single malfunction. I wouldn't hesitate buying it again or recommending it.

But there's a lot to say for the Beretta. It's cheaper and it has an option for a longer barrel. To that end, I've always wondered why Benelli never made a longer barrel for the m4 because they would sell a ton of them. But maybe it's a strategic decision to force you to buy another one of their shotguns.

One thing to consider with the m4 is that it comes with a 5 round magazine and because it's an imported shotgun it is subject to 922R. Without going into the intricacies of 922R, if you want to swap that mag tube out for a 7 rounder, it will cost you between $200-$400 (depending on options) for a new tube and the additional parts required to keep the gun 922R. So you should factor that into your plans if you do want to increase the capacity and staying 922R compliant is important to you. YMMV

I'm assuming, however, that this is the same for the Beretta if it is also imported. So if you're going to want to upgrade the Beretta, make sure you understand the costs and if the parts are available to do it. Somebody more familiar with the Beretta can hopefully chime in here.

Have you taken a look at the Remington Versa Max? They basically copied the m4 gas system when the patent expired. I have no direct experience with Versa Max but I've seen tons of great reviews on it and a lot of the 3 Gun guys shoot it. It might be worth a look.
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Why doesn't somebody post some pics of these two guns? So we can see which one is cooler looking.

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Ooh....I didnít notice this Beretta model- I like!

The M4 has been on my ďmaybe somedayĒlist, but a quick price check shows the Beretta 00S but at a much more friendly $930 price.

I am in research mode on the Beretta now.

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Huh..Fixed choke barrel, thatís a shame.

Not necessarily a dealbreaker, but how much more would it have cost to thread it and throw a choke tube in there?

Even many of the el cheapo turkish shotguns have that.

A little marketing fail there.

Mr. guns and gear does a pretty good video on it. I like his videos, but Iím not gonna lie -rarely does it seem like he posts a lot of negative stuff about guns.

He likes this one a lot too. But says it has one fatal flaw, and I canít argue thatís a ďMurphyís LawĒ button there on the side of the gun.

But looks like there is a not too expensive work around so I will investigate more.

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Huh..Fixed choke barrel...
You are looking at outdated information and Beretta's web master has the cushy job of getting paid to do a job half-assed. Current production have the removable Optima HP choke. And each gun is shipped with two cylinder chokes. One flush. One extended. Mrgunsngear video is also outdated. 2019 production has the improved one-piece stamped steel bolt release. Filter your youtube search results by upload date. You need to be looking at videos from Shot Show 2018 and on. It's because of these changes distributors and dealers were blowing out the previous generation at $700-800.

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...Current production have the removable Optima HP choke. And each gun is shipped with two cylinder chokes. One flush. One extended...
Oh, that's not good news for the credit card.
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Oh, that's not good news for the credit card.
And the news gets worse once you look at what Aridus Industries has for the 1301. You could end up spending enough to buy a M4... but it will still be lighter.
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You are looking at outdated information and Beretta's web master has the cushy job of getting paid to do a job half-assed. Current production have the removable Optima HP choke. And each gun is shipped with two cylinder chokes. One flush. One extended. Mrgunsngear video is also outdated. 2019 production has the improved one-piece stamped steel bolt release. Filter your youtube search results by upload date. You need to be looking at videos from Shot Show 2018 and on. It's because of these changes distributors and dealers were blowing out the previous generation at $700-800.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m00y4jYj5zw
Thank you for the correction. That is good news!
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Here is the 1301 with Aridus Industries bits and Nordic tube pre-installed by Langdon Tactical: https://www.langdontactical.com/ltt-...tical-shotgun/
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Took quite a few classes withmy Beretta 1201fp which is the precursor of the 1301, never had any excessive recoil from it.
I'm with you on that. I haven't upgraded (if you would call it that) to a newer home defense shotgun because I love my 1201FP and it's inertia system!

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The new remington V3 tactical looks pretty promising...
I love my versamax conp tactical it's very light recoil was a plus they only make a 22" barrel but I have a couple cut down to 19" and threaded for chokes which make it really handy
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The new remington V3 tactical looks pretty promising...
I love my versamax conp tactical it's very light recoil was a plus they only make a 22" barrel but I have a couple cut down to 19" and threaded for chokes which make it really handy
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