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Old 11-11-2017, 5:32 PM
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Default Knott’s Berry Farm - No Guns Allowed

Knott’s has been well known as gun friendly (for off duty LEO) for many years. I went the other day during the Military Veteran promotion. I checked ahead of time and could not find anything on their website or forum posts that were recent.

So now they have a funneled entry where everyone goes through a bag search and metal detector. I ID’d myself and declared myself armed prior to the search. A security supervisor was called over and said no firearms were allowed under new policy.

I was escorted into the park and allowed to use one of their fixed lockboxes. They gave me a laminated claim check type form and that was it. The security and everyone else was was very cordial and polite. I was able to reverse the process upon leaving, although there was a bit of a wait to be escorted back to get my weapon.

I thought this might happen when Knott’s was acquired by new owners recently. The upside was that the park has been cleaned up and is much tidier. Food and drink prices seemed higher and it was also very crowded too.

I respect any private entity to have their own rules on their own property, so this isn’t meant to criticize Knott’s, although I obviously disagree that it somehow makes the place safer.

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Old 11-11-2017, 6:02 PM
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Guess I can mark that place off my go-to list.
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Guess I can mark that place off my go-to list.
Me too. Dip N Dots and boysenberry foods are not that important to me.
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Old 11-11-2017, 6:07 PM
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Thanks for the heads up. I still got my gun into Disney even though they don't like people to (I wasn't aware until I got to the downtown Disney entrance). I'm one of those ask for forgiveness type of people if you know what I mean.

Work was nice to enough to send me to all kinds of threat assessment training with the feds and locals throughout my career so scouting any place makes it a breeze to get what I want in. One time we did a "practical" exercise in a class to see what we get into a "secure" facility. Ended up bringing a full auto m4 with 6 loaded mags and flashbangs into an international airport terminal without even coming close to getting caught. I'm sure the tsa folks loved when they got that debrief.

My thought is any halfway decent terrorist can do the same so I prefer to keep the odds in my favor much to the protest of the anti gun policies our region embraces.

But I'm nobody so my opinion doesn't matter and I'll continue to vote with my wallet and frequent gun friendly establishments.
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Old 11-11-2017, 6:58 PM
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Thanks for the heads up. I still got my gun into Disney even though they don't like people to (I wasn't aware until I got to the downtown Disney entrance). I'm one of those ask for forgiveness type of people if you know what I mean.

Work was nice to enough to send me to all kinds of threat assessment training with the feds and locals throughout my career so scouting any place makes it a breeze to get what I want in. One time we did a "practical" exercise in a class to see what we get into a "secure" facility. Ended up bringing a full auto m4 with 6 loaded mags and flashbangs into an international airport terminal without even coming close to getting caught. I'm sure the tsa folks loved when they got that debrief.

My thought is any halfway decent terrorist can do the same so I prefer to keep the odds in my favor much to the protest of the anti gun policies our region embraces.

But I'm nobody so my opinion doesn't matter and I'll continue to vote with my wallet and frequent gun friendly establishments.
Get caught carrying beyond the security check and you will get a ban for life from all Disney properties and you can count on them notifying your department, if LE, and your issuing agency if just a ccw. They use facial recognition extensively throughout the properties.

Many agencies will discipline employees for violating weapons policies at private property. LASD will impose discipline for such matters, and so will many other agencies.

For you ccw holders, you can probably kiss your ccw goodbye.

You have a choice in my opinion, follow their rules or don’t go. Disney also has lockers for LEOs, but not ccw holders.

As a retired law enforcement officer, it annoys me when guys have the attitude that the rules don’t apply to them. It’s that kind of arrogance that causes some of the mistrust between the public and law enforcement.
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Old 11-11-2017, 7:38 PM
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Get caught carrying beyond the security check and you will get a ban for life from all Disney properties and you can count on them notifying your department, if LE, and your issuing agency if just a ccw. They use facial recognition extensively throughout the properties.

Many agencies will discipline employees for violating weapons policies at private property. LASD will impose discipline for such matters, and so will many other agencies.

For you ccw holders, you can probably kiss your ccw goodbye.

You have a choice in my opinion, follow their rules or don’t go. Disney also has lockers for LEOs, but not ccw holders.

As a retired law enforcement officer, it annoys me when guys have the attitude that the rules don’t apply to them. It’s that kind of arrogance that causes some of the mistrust between the public and law enforcement.
Well then it's a good thing I don't work for lasd. Also a good reminder why I don't care for admin folks. I'm comfortable with my stance on the issue and whatever consequence that comes along with it.

Sucks to hear knotts caved, that would make every major park in so cal a no go for cops carrying right?
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Glad to hear they are still doing the Military Promotion (and presumably LEO promotion the next month) with the new owners. They are good to go in my book.
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Glad to hear they are still doing the Military Promotion (and presumably LEO promotion the next month) with the new owners. They are good to go in my book.
It's going to be a hot mess with the LEO promotion if they don't have enough firearm lockers.
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It's going to be a hot mess with the LEO promotion if they don't have enough firearm lockers.
I don’t really think so. So many of the young cops today (not including the ones on this website of course), don’t know squat about guns, nor care to even carry while off duty.
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I don’t really think so. So many of the young cops today (not including the ones on this website of course), don’t know squat about guns, nor care to even carry while off duty.
Very true.
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Old 11-11-2017, 9:10 PM
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That SUCKS! If I had wanted higher prices and longer lines and no firearms, I would have gone to Disney. Thanks for the heads up Bobby!

Are Magic Mountain and Universal Studios anti-LEO carry too?

Ron, re: the discipline you mentioned, what policy section(s) is that?
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Old 11-11-2017, 11:26 PM
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That SUCKS! If I had wanted higher prices and longer lines and no firearms, I would have gone to Disney. Thanks for the heads up Bobby!

Are Magic Mountain and Universal Studios anti-LEO carry too?

Ron, re: the discipline you mentioned, what policy section(s) is that?
You got it Samuel, happy to help.

For the record, I disagree with LS2Monaro and I agree with Ron. I will leave it at that.
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Old 11-12-2017, 5:13 PM
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That SUCKS! If I had wanted higher prices and longer lines and no firearms, I would have gone to Disney. Thanks for the heads up Bobby!

Are Magic Mountain and Universal Studios anti-LEO carry too?

Ron, re: the discipline you mentioned, what policy section(s) is that?
I had one assigned to me to investigate just before I got hurt and subsequently retired. It was opened under “general behavior”, “obedience to laws, regulations, and orders” and some other general conduct sections. It was reassigned to another lieutenant, so I don’t know what the final outcome was, but the captain was talking about 5 days if founded. Deputy was caught inside California Adventure because he was printing. Concealed may be concealed, but not guaranteed.

He was banned from all Disney properties for life and informed he would be arrested for trespassing if caught. Like I said earlier, they have facial recognition cameras all over the place.

Their house, their rules. Don’t like it, don’t go.
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Old 11-12-2017, 12:51 AM
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Hey Samuel
Magic mountain was the first to add metal detectors a few years back due to all the GBs that go to that place. I just went to universal two weeks ago and they also have medal detectors as well. When I went to magic mountain, they told me to take my off duty back to the car. Did not carry to universal so dont know if they have lockers.

Due to our current world, I think this will be the norm at most large locations with lots of people.
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Thank goodness I don’t spend my free time at amusement parks nor baseball stadiums any longer. If cops with guns aren’t welcome, they no longer get my money. Besides, me and the family’s free time is better spent these days armed at “pro-gun” venues like the Sierras while creek fishing and/or golf courses in between.

...and Disneyland; well, I’m not impressed. I imagine it’s like walking around at the Bell Gardens swap meet on Saturday mornings. Crowds, thugs, long lines, etc... Disneyland can go suck it with their daily pass costing between $97-125 now and an annual over $600. That’s money that could be spent on golfing equipment and courses!

Ahhhh the remote great outdoors: No metal detectors, no gun nazis and no heathen miscreant canabalistic humanoid underground dwellers.
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...an annual over $600. That’s money that could be spent on golfing equipment and courses!
A golf course is a terrible waste of a perfectly good rifle range.
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There is a small LASD service center in the CityWalk where you can lock up your weapon. That was the last time I went there armed though. I think that was right before Harry Potter opened.
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Old 11-12-2017, 10:43 AM
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Thanks CaptMike!

Boy I can't wait until I retire and move the hell out of CA...
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Boy I can't wait until I retire and move the hell out of CA...
I do believe that is the consensus. Anywhere where I can find more space, less people, and proper reverence by the .gov for the 2A.
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On a positive note, this is coming up: https://www.knotts.com/play/events/f...t-tribute-days

You have to be still on the job or at least have an I.D. that makes you look like you are.
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On a positive note, this is coming up: https://www.knotts.com/play/events/f...t-tribute-days

You have to be still on the job or at least have an I.D. that makes you look like you are.
Retirees are not included..

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On a positive note, this is coming up: https://www.knotts.com/play/events/f...t-tribute-days

You have to be still on the job or at least have an I.D. that makes you look like you are.
Really? Explorers but not retired? Oh, well, no thanks for your service.
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Really? Explorers but not retired? Oh, well, no thanks for your service.
Wow, I didn't read that far down. Yes to exploders but No to retired folks??? **** you very much Knotts!
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You have to be still on the job or at least have an I.D. that makes you look like you are.
I’m surprised they still offer this...any of you folks remember a few years back when they caught some coppers scalping their (totally free back then) tribute tickets outside the front entrance?? What a disgrace.

ETA: I just read that the first two are still free. Again, surprised they still offer this.
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some of us remember when Knotts and Disneyland only refused to admit Hippys
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Copy Ron, thank you.

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Magic Mountain and Universal are a no go for off duty carry...

I just went to Pauley Pavilion on UCLA campus and was told I couldn't bring my off duty. UCLA PD was nice about letting me store it in their gun locker.
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I've gone to Knott's twice in the last year and they have definitely changed the policy on CCW. The first time I went after they had just instituted the security checkpoint, I identified myself and showed my credentials. The security guard waved me through and told me that if I was going on any of the rides I needed to check my weapon in at the security office (in other words it was up to me to do this). Upon showing my PD credentials on my most recent visit, the security supervisor came over and escorted me to the security office to store my weapon. When I was getting ready to leave, I had to find a security officer and let them know to track down the supervisor to let me into the security office to get my weapon back.
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[QUOTE=Spec;20899243]Magic Mountain and Universal are a no go for off duty carry...




Do they not even provide lockers for LEO's that show up with their weapon?
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Many places would PAY to have armed, off-duty LEO's around! Why chase off extra security for free?
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Universal confirmed no go

Universal will refer you to LASD substation (near by) to store it ..
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Thanks for the info All!
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Any venue that restricts LEO/retired LEO off-duty carry doesn't get my business. Too bad about Knotts. I'll add it to the list. Hope these places all check the baby's diaper and stoller, etc. Found a few there myself in the day. LOL! Even restricting CCW holders is dumb.
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Any venue that restricts LEO/retired LEO off-duty carry doesn't get my business. Too bad about Knotts. I'll add it to the list. Hope these places all check the baby's diaper and stoller, etc. Found a few there myself in the day. LOL! Even restricting CCW holders is dumb.
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Too many law enforcement officers have done stupid things with there off duty weapons when attending events. Especially if they are consuming alcohol beverages. I know of a few officers in the Central Valley that did really stupid things at events off duty with their weapons. Ruined it for all.
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I don’t really think so. So many of the young cops today (not including the ones on this website of course), don’t know squat about guns, nor care to even carry while off duty.
LOL, That's nothing new and it's not just young ones. Over the last 40 years or so, I've met plenty of older LEOs who know squat about firearms. If they aren't gun people, they aren't gun people no matter what their chosen profession or age is. Does everyone who drives a car every day know every make and model of vehicle on the road? Do they all know how each part of a car works? Hell, most don't even know proper vehicle maintenance. It's no different with firearms or anything else.
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LOL, That's nothing new and it's not just young ones. Over the last 40 years or so, I've met plenty of older LEOs who know squat about firearms. If they aren't gun people, they aren't gun people no matter what their chosen profession or age is. Does everyone who drives a car every day know every make and model of vehicle on the road? Do they all know how each part of a car works? Hell, most don't even know proper vehicle maintenance. It's no different with firearms or anything else.
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No, but they also have Buena Park PD officers assigned their under contract just like Disney does with Anaheim PD.
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Too many law enforcement officers have done stupid things with there off duty weapons when attending events. Especially if they are consuming alcohol beverages. I know of a few officers in the Central Valley that did really stupid things at events off duty with their weapons. Ruined it for all.
I'm sure some have done some stupid stuff with a firearm off duty but other than the whole "one incident is one too many" I'm not really sure that there was a rash of stupid cops doing stupid things off duty at public events. I have asked friends who work security at MLB/NBA/NFL games and they can't name one incident with an off duty LEO who was armed and did something dumb with a firearm. They obviously weren't everywhere all the time; but I figured at least one of them would be able to tell me something.

I'm not calling you a liar if you know of these incidents first hand; I'm just merely stating that it doesn't seem to have been any worse than the gang fights, drunken brawls, fans getting stabbed/beat down, that still occur from the rest of the populace.

But back to the OP; well... I can deal with a private entity that provides decent security and provides me with a location to lock up my firearm so I can be armed to/from the event/location. The whole "lock it up in your car so it can be stolen" routine is indefensible.
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