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Old 08-01-2020, 4:32 PM
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After getting their FSC card, "This lets me can carry a gun, right?"

"Unload this pistol and prove to me that it's unloaded"
>> Drops magazine then looks down barrel

Customer aims front of a revolver to their face to see how many cartridges the cylinder holds.

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After getting their FSC card, "This lets me can carry a gun, right?"

"Unload this pistol and prove to me that it's unloaded"
>> Drops magazine then looks down barrel

Customer aims front of a revolver to their face to see how many cartridges the cylinder holds.

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Dude, I sold guns at bass pro shop in Rancho Cucamonga right after the Sandy Hook shooting in 2012- This is just the tip of the iceberg that I witnessed.
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During an initial screening for a rental, I've seen that kind of revolver chamber check. They were shown the door.
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During an initial screening for a rental, I've seen that kind of revolver chamber check. They were shown the door.
If it's for a rental and they are trying to learn about firearms where do you tell them to go first? I think for a range this is the perfect up sell opportunity to that person. I'm sure this occurrence happens almost daily at a range that rents. Seems like a money making opportunity to me.

For example rental agreement states something like:
1) You will be required to demonstrate safe handling of firearms before being allowed to rent
2) If you have your FSC, but still fail to do #1 then you will be required to have one of our range staff escort you for an additional $25 / hr (or something)
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As far as quotables:
"Can I leave with the firearm now that we've completed the paperwork?"
"Can I pay an expediting fee for faster background check?"
"Can I pay an expediting fee to get my firearm faster from the distributor?"
"It's already been 10 days since I ordered, why do I have to wait 10 more?"
"I just completed a background check for another firearm why do I have to do it again?"
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10 day wait over, customer comes in to pick-up shotgun --

Customer: "can you show me how to load my shotgun again?"
Me: sure, no problem
Customer: (reaches into pocket and removes 5 live rounds) "can we use these?"
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10 day wait over, customer comes in to pick-up shotgun --

Customer: "can you show me how to load my shotgun again?"
Me: sure, no problem
Customer: (reaches into pocket and removes 5 live rounds) "can we use these?"
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If it's for a rental and they are trying to learn about firearms where do you tell them to go first? I think for a range this is the perfect up sell opportunity to that person. I'm sure this occurrence happens almost daily at a range that rents. Seems like a money making opportunity to me.



For example rental agreement states something like:

1) You will be required to demonstrate safe handling of firearms before being allowed to rent

2) If you have your FSC, but still fail to do #1 then you will be required to have one of our range staff escort you for an additional $25 / hr (or something)

or

complete our basic firearm handling workshop for the firearm you will be renting @ $25 / 15 min session (or something)
Well, most ranges do have a list of safety checklists and waivers the shooters must read and sign before renting.

Being a retard when renting says you were too retarded to read and understand the guidelines.

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Well, most ranges do have a list of safety checklists and waivers the shooters must read and sign before renting.

Being a retard when renting says you were too retarded to read and understand the guidelines.

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I get that.., but you missed my point where instead of kicking them out you have a revenue opportunity to teach them. Instead, most places kick them out for being retarded. Do you tell them to go back to school before coming back to the range? Or do you tell them to eff off for being stupid? I don't run a range and can't imagine the stupid that goes on there, BUT if the intent is to allow people to safely use your facility why not have additional remediation opportunities? Where else would you expect them to learn? Could be only 5% take you up on the offer.., but that's 5% more than 0.

Hell, when I do the safe handling demo I say in plain English:
Do not put your finger near or in the trigger guard
Do not point the barrel at me or you or anything you do not want to destroy

This is also immediately after they've just read the safety rules to me out loud.

5 seconds later they've flagged me and themselves... I hardly just kick them out and take the gun back for being retarded.. I do explain to them why it's important. Let them know that it isn't "automatic" for new owners. I let them know they need to be very conscious of it and they do have to slow down and ingrain it in their memory.

In other words, I try to educate them rather then make them feel stupid and cancelling their purchase. It may take several tries, but they eventually get it. Will it stick with them? I don't know, but you have to start the education somewhere.
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I try to educate them rather then make them feel stupid

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I have heard most of those comments, plus:

"I ordered the gun from you 10 days ago, why cant I pick it up now?"
"I need to take my FSC test to start my background check"

And my favorite
"This is really complicated and there is a lot of paperwork to get a gun, I always heard it was easy to get a gun"
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After getting their FSC card, "This lets me can carry a gun, right?"

"Unload this pistol and prove to me that it's unloaded"
>> Drops magazine then looks down barrel

Customer aims front of a revolver to their face to see how many cartridges the cylinder holds.

Others?
Everybody has to start their learning curve somewhere - this is your opportunity to help a fellow human - imagine if a realtor or financial advisor have this little respect for you and let you buy a house with no permits for half of it, or let you invest in loser stocks so you're broke in old age.
Try being an adult and pay it forward with newbies..
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I have heard most of those comments, plus:

"I ordered the gun from you 10 days ago, why cant I pick it up now?"
"I need to take my FSC test to start my background check"

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"This is really complicated and there is a lot of paperwork to get a gun, I always heard it was easy to get a gun"

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Everybody has to start their learning curve somewhere - this is your opportunity to help a fellow human - imagine if a realtor or financial advisor have this little respect for you and let you buy a house with no permits for half of it, or let you invest in loser stocks so you're broke in old age.
Try being an adult and pay it forward with newbies..
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personal experience, about two years ago right after buying my first guns, I went to reeds in santa clara to shoot at the range, didn't bring my own guns and wanted to try a few glocks. Guy at the range counter asked me to show him how to unload a round and clear the gun. I did what I knew at the time, dropped the mag and rack the slide to pop the round out. He gave me a dirty look and said you can't shoot here, because I had my finger on the trigger the whole time. I felt stupid and even though he was doing his job and turned me away, I would have appreciated a quick 30 seconds lesson on keeping my finger off of the trigger demonstration.
Fast forward two years later, I now own a dozen or so firearms. None of them came from reeds. I hated that guy.
I manage a team of sales people in my day job and also am a real estate broker. Customer service is key to earn business. Its unfortunate some gun store owners fail to train their employees properly and look for selling opportunities. I agree with UGimports fully.

Now to the point of FFLs dont want to do PPT, I believe that's a mistake. The seller of a PPT, if he/she is like me, probably feels there is a big void inside that needs to be filled with another firearm, not to mention I have cash in my pocket, that's a selling opportunity. The buyer of the PPT, has a new gun about to go in jail, but may be interested in buying some new guns or consignment in stock, key selling point is One Dros! You can also attach some ammo cleaning supplies eye ear protection or **** maybe some hand sanitizers even. To me, this is sales 101, but lack of training or incentives to the employees could hurt the business. Newbies are great, in two years they could be just like me owning a dozen firearms. Multiply by the long line waiting outside the store, thats what i call sustainable business model.


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Customer: So where do I get my 30 round clips? (Its a Glock)

Customer: Which button makes it fully automatic? (Pointing at an AR15)

Me: What kind of firearm are you looking for?
Them: Oh something I can use around the house, cant be loud, and I only want to wound them.

Customer: Whats the most reliable gun you have?
Me: Here, this is a Sig P226. Very reliable.
Customer: Something cheaper.
Me: Ok, how about this Glock 17?
Customer: No, something cheaper.
Me: Hmm, ok, well I have a Kahr Arms
Customer: Too expensive. Do you have anything around $200?
Me: Well, you said reliable. Hard to find something reliable around that price.
Customer: You're an ******* and I am gonna leave a nasty review!
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Customer: Too expensive. Do you have anything around $200?
Me: Well, you said reliable. Hard to find something reliable around that price.
Customer: You're an ******* and I am gonna leave a nasty review!
As ugly, heavy, and non-ergonomic as the HiPoint C9 is...I've actually read reviews that it is very reliable..
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As ugly, heavy, and non-ergonomic as the HiPoint C9 is...I've actually read reviews that it is very reliable..
I've read the same, but we don't stock any Hi-Points. I saw a video on youtube of a guy who crammed the barrels of C9's with all kinds of stuff, and they all functioned fine.
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I can't confirm a first time owner, but it was definitely a first time owner-like level of knowledge.

Was at a range, two guys were shooting next to me. One was the gun owner, other was a friend shooting for the first time it seemed. The rifle they had was a 10-22. The gun owner was talking some jibberish about the ammo, but I perked up when he said "Now, a .22 magnum is much more powerful than this. It's what I use when I hunt bears." I thought it was a joke at first, but as the morning went on, I could tell he was a guy that just couldn't help by lie with every breath to show off how awesome he was.

It wouldn't surprise me if he had buckhorn sights on his magnum made from a 20-point rack off of a jackalope.
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Newbie: I want to buy a Glock.
FFL: Sorry, we're out of stock. The whole nation is out of stock.
Newbie: Can you order me one?


Newbie: If I pay you more can I take the gun home today?
FFL: No


Newbie: Can I take the manuals and stuff home?
FFL: No, the gun does not belong to you until we deliver.


Recent PPT
Newbie: I'm here to pickup my gun.
FFL: Your background expired 1 day ago. You took too long to come in.
Newbie: WHAT!? No one called me.
FFL: It's not our responsibility to call you. The due date is on the paperwork and we explained this to you when you during the initial DROS. You'll have to contact the seller to come back and re-DROS after we return it to him.
Newbie: The seller moved away.
FFL: We'll contact him. If nothing can be done, we'll have to turn it over to authorities.
Newbie: This is theft! You're trying to steal my gun! I'm going to call the police!
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Him: You mean you have off roster guns in the store...but you can't sell them to me?

Me: Yes sir

Him: What do you do with them?

Me: Sell them out of state or we sell them to roster-exempt people

Him: It's legal to PPT off-roster guns...right?

Me: Yes

Him: Show me what you have in stock and I will just PPT it from the owner...

Me: That's not how this works.
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Him: You mean you have off roster guns in the store...but you can't sell them to me?

Me: Yes sir

Him: What do you do with them?

Me: Sell them out of state or we sell them to roster-exempt people

Him: It's legal to PPT off-roster guns...right?

Me: Yes

Him: Show me what you have in stock and I will just PPT it from the owner...

Me: That's not how this works.


Wow that was brilliant. He just circumvented they whole roster just like that.
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I completely forgot one. I was selling a $1,200 gun from my personal collection and the buyer showed up and handed me his credit card.

I told him he needed to pay in cash and he had to go to an ATM to get his limit there, use PayPal for some more and Zelle for the remainder.
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I completely forgot one. I was selling a $1,200 gun from my personal collection and the buyer showed up and handed me his credit card.

I told him he needed to pay in cash and he had to go to an ATM to get his limit there, use PayPal for some more and Zelle for the remainder.

Wow... Did it work out in the end?




I'll add a few more to this thread...


"I have my car insurance..."
"I know all about guns. I qualified expert at [insert some DOD or public safety here] course."
"I have security clearance with [insert some government here] and don't need a background."

Cool... You still need an FSC and have to do backgrounds and wait a minimum of 240 hours. You're also tea-cupping, finger on the trigger, and don't understand the fundamentals of firearms.

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"I have my car insurance..."
I get the car insurance one a lot!

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Customer: So where do I get my 30 round clips? (Its a Glock)

Customer: Which button makes it fully automatic? (Pointing at an AR15)

Me: What kind of firearm are you looking for?
Them: Oh something I can use around the house, cant be loud, and I only want to wound them.

Customer: Whats the most reliable gun you have?
Me: Here, this is a Sig P226. Very reliable.
Customer: Something cheaper.
Me: Ok, how about this Glock 17?
Customer: No, something cheaper.
Me: Hmm, ok, well I have a Kahr Arms
Customer: Too expensive. Do you have anything around $200?
Me: Well, you said reliable. Hard to find something reliable around that price.
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Wife and I did a transfer at a very nice shop in riverside 3 weeks ago. 3 HRwait on a Saturday (NEVER AGAIN)

This was my wife’s gun and she had to get an HSC or whatever it is this time card and they let you take the test while you wait 3 hrs for your turn.

Guy also taking his test because his wife and daughter had bought a gun and he thought he needed the card since there was a gun in the house. Yea... but even after I explained to him that he didn’t need it, because he was anti-gun and wound “never buy a gun himself” went on to wait another 2 hrs to have his test scored and card issued. SMFH
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Newbie: Can I take the manuals and stuff home?
FFL: No, the gun does not belong to you until we deliver.
Is that true? Do you issue a issue full refund when the DROSE doesn’t clear?
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Is that true? Do you issue a issue full refund when the DROSE doesn’t clear?
Yes, it is true. Until the shop delivers the firearm it does not officially belong to the buyer. This is why the seller does not need to DROS to return (assuming correct timelines are followed) if their buyer fails in a PPT transaction. FFL's contact DOJ to retrieve a clearance to return to seller when this happens. In a dealer transaction, the firearm remains in FFL inventory until delivered.

Every shop will have their own conditions. Ours is less the DROS fee and 20% restocking fee. Some shops less and some shops more.

Depending on the circumstances, we will advise the person accordingly. Sometimes the denial is due to some other cause like name errors or other non-prohibited person reason. We'll usually hold the firearm(s) for them until they sort it out and usually without a storage fee unless it's extreme. Some shops don't hold the guns at all or give you X amount of days before they return to inventory.
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Well, I normally only buy ppt guns.... because I like keeping my money. So I really didn’t know.


I think the last time I bought a new gun from a store (besides stripped lowers and I do those several at a time) was 1998, Walther P99.


Question: Why is it that most LGS seem to insist on holding my slide, upper, optic and magazines etc. for 10 days too? Seems like less space and liability is better.
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Question: Why is it that most LGS seem to insist on holding my slide, upper, optic and magazines etc. for 10 days too? Seems like less space and liability is better.
I think the same reason why many LGS force you to buy their locks, but when you decide you want to lock that gun that is going into jail with the lock you were forced to buy and wanting to keep 1 of 2 keys... they say No.



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Just got another one today. Fellow walks in for his appointment and says he wants to DROS a gun he bought from the Internet. I take his invoice and go into the safe to find it. Nope, not there and no one else knows about it.

"Oh, they haven't shipped it yet. I want to DROS it now so that I can pick it up when it comes in."
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Question: Why is it that most LGS seem to insist on holding my slide, upper, optic and magazines etc. for 10 days too? Seems like less space and liability is better.
For a PPT, I tell the buyer to ask the seller if he minds if the buyer takes whatever home as long as I have the entire firearm. For a dealer sale, everything stays here until the DROS clears in case something goes wrong.

And yeah, we have had a few denials -- even on pawned guns -- so we would have given away stuff for free if we didn't keep everything.
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I think the same reason why many LGS force you to buy their locks, but when you decide you want to lock that gun that is going into jail with the lock you were forced to buy and wanting to keep 1 of 2 keys... they say No.



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Firearms need to remain accessible for audit from inspectors. They cannot be locked.

Different situations determine if a lock needs to be purchased but for the FFLs that mandate it no matter what, screw them.
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