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Old 03-12-2019, 10:17 PM
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Probably foiled a stage coach robbery by catching a thief carrying this "44[sic] Magnum".



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On Monday, March 11, 2019, at 5:00 P.M. Southeast Special Response Team Officer Dillon Biggs and Officer Sukhbir Chauhan were proactively patrolling the area of Third St and Madison Ave in an effort to reduce gang violence and shootings in the Southeast Policing District. They initiated a traffic stop for a vehicle code violation. They contacted the driver, 19 year-old Amador Carlos Martinez, a self-admitted Ruthless Thug Life Fresno Bulldog Criminal Street Gang Member. Martinez admitted to Officer Biggs he had a loaded 44 Magnum revolver under the driver seat. Martinez said he possessed the firearm for his protection against other gang members. Martinez was arrested and booked into the Fresno County Jail for being a felon in possession of a firearm. Please see the attached photograph of the handgun recovered and of suspect Amador Carlos Martinez.

Southeast SRT Officers have recovered Twelve (12) firearms from the streets of Fresno this year. The Southeast Policing District would like to remind the public that the Fresno Police Department is committed to building relationships with community members while providing the highest level of service to keep our citizens safe. We will continue to provide and share our on-going efforts with the community in order to maintain and build public trust.

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LMAO!!!! well what do you think all the idiot leftists will say if you tell them that their laws didn't stop this felon from possessing a 44 mag?
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Will make laws more difficult for black powder shooters. ****ing idiot criminals, A2
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This may cause some libtard to cry out against the threat of the "black powder loophole".
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At least they got that no good mangy varmint off the streets before the train came to town...
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They're going to be mad when the lawyer gets it dismissed on the grounds that it isn't legally a gun.
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They're going to be mad when the lawyer gets it dismissed on the grounds that it isn't legally a gun.
Except that there are laws against carrying loaded BP firearms. OTOH...I'm not seeing any caps on the nipples. If that's how they found it, then it wasn't "legally" loaded.
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They're going to be mad when the lawyer gets it dismissed on the grounds that it isn't legally a gun.
Not quite. In CA, this is the definition used for Firearm when it comes to a felon in possession.


16520(a). California Penal Code
" As used in this part, “firearm” means a device, designed to be used as a weapon, from which is expelled through a barrel, a projectile by the force of an explosion or other form of combustion".
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^^^^^ Right. It's also against the law to CCW a black powder pistol without a CCW license.

I wonder if anyone has ever tried to get a black powder pistol on their CCW?
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I see... It's always the fine print that gets you.
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Does one need a FSC in CA before acquiring/purchasing a black powder firearm? I’m pretty sure CA went after a silenced inline muzzleloader a few years back. Hilariously enough, ABC news or something like that called BPs not being considered firearms a “loophole”. They were freaking about how they walked out of a sporting goods with only $200 and came out with a ML without any paperwork. Can’t blame them, never know when a Crip will do a horse carriage by on you with a flintlock.


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Laugh, but I once handled a robbery/murder where the weapon was a black powder revolver.
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I don't care how they got that POS gang member off the streets. Just glad they did.
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Old 03-13-2019, 10:24 AM
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I have one of the replica Remington new army BPs with the 8" barrel in .44. It is no slouch in the power department. Nowhere near 44 mag, but with a 140 grain ball and 40 grains of pyrodex, I'm around 320ft lbs of energy. That compares to lighter loaded 45 acp or 9mm in energy.
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I'm always glad to see cops get gang bangers off the street.

But publicly bragging about the "44 MAGNUM".
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Must be Dirty Harry’s lesser known cousin, ‘Dirty Larry’. So named because his hands are always covered in black powder soot.
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I don't care how they got that POS gang member off the streets. Just glad they did.
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They're going to be mad when the lawyer gets it dismissed on the grounds that it isn't legally a gun.
It is if you are a felon. Felons cannot possess black powder firearms. It was a "thing" around here with ex-cons wanting to hunt, but then learning that they could not posses muzzle loaders even if UPS will deliver one to their front door.

On the other hand, I don't see any percussion caps on that thing, without which it isn't loaded.
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Was it actually loaded do you think?
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He'd be shot before he could even claim his neighborhood...

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Laugh, but I once handled a robbery/murder where the weapon was a black powder revolver.
Once upon a time, that was pretty common....
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It makes me wonder if you had a loaded modern pistol and all the primers have been removed from the otherwise fully loaded shells...

Do you think the police would call that unloaded?

Yeah, I don't think so either.

Even if all the powder fell out of the back of the shell casings through the empty and opened primer hole...


I'm still not sure they would consider it unloaded.

Maybe with a good lawyer you might get off eventually but I think you're still going to take a ride downtown.
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They're going to be mad when the lawyer gets it dismissed on the grounds that it isn't legally a gun.
In CA it is for purposes of felon in possession. Remember, this is not free America.
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Don't know why everyone is so hung up on whether it is considered to be loaded or not. For the charge of being a felon in possession of a firearm, it doesn't matter if it is loaded or not.

"29800. California Penal Code.

(a) (1) Any person who has been convicted of, or has an outstanding warrant for, a felony under the laws of the United States, the State of California, or any other state, government, or country, or of an offense enumerated in subdivision (a), (b), or (d) of Section 23515, or who is addicted to the use of any narcotic drug, and who owns, purchases, receives, or has in possession or under custody or control any firearm is guilty of a felony."
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They weren’t tough already? Are they double extra enforcing the law?
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I wonder if anyone has ever tried to get a black powder pistol on their CCW?[/QUOTE]

My sister in-law was going to try! I did not want to spoil her disappointment
when she would try and convince the sheriff that yes she could because the person who sold it to her said she could.
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Southeast SRT Officers have recovered Twelve (12) firearms from the streets of Fresno this year.
But they didn't say how the streets obtained them, or how many were firearms that were "lost" by various LE agencies.
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It makes me wonder if you had a loaded modern pistol and all the primers have been removed from the otherwise fully loaded shells...

Do you think the police would call that unloaded?

Yeah, I don't think so either.

Even if all the powder fell out of the back of the shell casings through the empty and opened primer hole...


I'm still not sure they would consider it unloaded.

Maybe with a good lawyer you might get off eventually but I think you're still going to take a ride downtown.
yeah, you probably would take a ride, but I think a decent firearms lawyer would get you off. Whether the cartridge had powder or not would probably be the deciding factor. Although no primer = no ignition source, so I think it would be arguable since that is a deciding factor with muzzle loaders.

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(b) As used in Chapter 2 (commencing with Section 25100) of Division 4 of Title 4, in subparagraph (A) of paragraph (6) of subdivision (c) of Section 25400, and in Sections 25850 to 26055, inclusive,

(1) A firearm shall be deemed to be “loaded” when there is an unexpended cartridge or shell, consisting of a case that holds a charge of powder and a bullet or shot, in, or attached in any manner to, the firearm, including, but not limited to, in the firing chamber, magazine, or clip thereof attached to the firearm.

(2) Notwithstanding paragraph (1), a muzzle-loader firearm shall be deemed to be loaded when it is capped or primed and has a powder charge and ball or shot in the barrel or cylinder.

(Added by Stats. 2010, Ch. 711, Sec. 6. (SB 1080) Effective January 1, 2011. Operative January 1, 2012, by Sec. 10 of Ch. 711.)
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Don't know why everyone is so hung up on whether it is considered to be loaded or not...
Because the OP bolded "loaded" in his quote.

Not arguing the felon in possession part.
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Not to Hijack the thread. But I wonder if the gun has Dummy rounds in it would some LE consider that "Loaded"? I remember when San Diego's Sherrif Duffy proclaimed to his personnel that if "bullets" were touching a gun they were to consider it loaded (...bullets attached to firearm...)
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Because the OP bolded "loaded" in his quote.

Not arguing the felon in possession part.
But according to the article the person was booked into the Fresno County Jail for being a felon in possession of a firearm. So we ignore the facts and go off on tangents because the OP bolded a word in the article? Okay.
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But according to the article the person was booked into the Fresno County Jail for being a felon in possession of a firearm. So we ignore the facts and go off on tangents because the OP bolded a word in the article? Okay.
It's a discussion. And it was part of the article. The OP apparently thought it was worth noting and bolded it. If you want to start you own thread and bold a different part of the article, feel free. Bandwidth is cheap.

No one said we are ignoring the facts. In fact, you quoted my post saying that I wasn't arguing the felon in possession.
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According to Sgt Alvarez, this arrest was on 2/11/2019. So

19 year-old Amador Carlos Martinez, a self-admitted Ruthless Thug Life Fresno Bulldog Criminal Street Gang Member.

Is possibly/likely already out on bail.

Cops getting a Bad Guy off the streets is a good thing.

The gross exaggeration regarding the "44 MAGNUM".

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