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Old 03-14-2019, 12:04 PM
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Default Caracas SHTF survival experience

A pretty good account of the experience in the aftermath of their extended blackout:
https://www.caracaschronicles.com/20...5EtoANj5i7UaV8
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Old 03-14-2019, 5:10 PM
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Prophetically this was written on August 17th, 2018:
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...One day, when daily inflation is at Zimbabwe levels, the electric grid will fray and all the engineers that can repair it will have quit. One day, when PDVSA [national oil co.] is pumping just a few hundred thousand barrels a day, the turbines at the main hydropower plant will blow out and there won’t be money to repair them. And that’ll be that—power will go out for a whole city or state, and not just for 24 or 72 hours but for good. Same for waste collection, telecom and water.
One day, when daily inflation is at Zimbabwe levels, the electric grid will fray and all the engineers that can repair it will have quit.
Then it’s anybody’s guess...
https://www.caracaschronicles.com/20...percent-later/


Venezuela is the situation to be watching as a case study in the collapse of society. If we watch closely, we can learn lessons for ourselves that may assist in our own preparation efforts to anticipate and prepare for what may happen in a future crisis of our own.
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Old 03-14-2019, 5:38 PM
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Socialism is a crisis on is own. Everything else is just symptoms.
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Old 03-14-2019, 5:47 PM
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Our country needs real leadership to digitization and artificial intelligence. We have fallen in the last decade from being #1 to 11th. Our leaders are so partizen they get nothing done.

Caracus Venezula is a example of failed leadership gone unchecked. We must work to have the right leaders in our country.
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Socialism is a crisis on is own. Everything else is just symptoms.
It's appealing to blame "socialism" for problems such as this. For some that justification will work and will reinforce their own beliefs. However, the true problem is "corruption." This is something that plagues every society and unfortunately, is something that many will blindly ignore just because it's easier to hide from the eyes of most people.

Venezuela's problem is the corruption of it's President and other leaders at the expense of its citizens. However, blaming socialism is much more simplistic in thinking and much more aligned with current political beliefs in the US.
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Yeah, it is appealing to blame socialism. You are right about the corruption of its leaders...just like Mao, Stalin and Castro along with a host of other "leaders" of the socialist belief. Problem is trying to get rid of the socialist leader, unlike "leaders" who leave when they are voted out of office.

While I disliked having Obama as the President he did leave office when he was no longer the elected "leader".

Our system in the USA is not perfect, but it sure is a whole lot more reasonable than if we just try "socialism one more time we might get it correct". The biggest problem is corruption. As the saying goes Power corrupts and absolute power corruptions completely.
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When I was in Israel, It was repeatedly said that the kibbutz for the most part had failed. They were set us as communes where each does his own share but very quickly they found that the major share of the work was done by a few and there were those hungry for power, and those that contributed little. When those hungering for power teamed up with those not willing to work, they Kibbutz failed. Only when there was strong leadership did a Kibbutz succeed and all profited. They ended up paying those who worked for their labor and those who did not got a meager stipend. The result, communes fail, capitalism saves.
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It's appealing to blame "socialism" for problems such as this. For some that justification will work and will reinforce their own beliefs. However, the true problem is "corruption."
Socialism would work great, were it not for human nature.

The problems aren’t just “corruption”, but “incentives” and “productivity” and “efficiency” and “accountability” and “centralized decision making” and “enshrined bureaucracy” and...

Other than all that, socialism would be great!

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Even the Soviet system created incentives (better housing, better food, cars, phones, TVs, etc.) for higher achievers such as scientists, athletes, etc. (and, of course, for the politically connected).
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Socialism is a crisis on is own. Everything else is just symptoms.
Truth right tbere.
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Even the Soviet system created incentives (better housing, better food, cars, phones, TVs, etc.) for higher achievers such as scientists, athletes, etc. (and, of course, for the politically connected).
...and you can’t spell accountability without the letters “g”, “a”, “l”, “u”, and another “g”.

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Wow---watching Venezuela melt-down is very distressing---this was a rich country not that long ago---modern (in many areas)---rich with resources---it's long downhill slide just didn't happen overnight---they worked at it long time---now it's down to the level of a third-world country or even less where it's difficult to even lay your hands on a roll of toilet paper---this could be us if we're not careful---stay strong---be as prepared as you can...
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Wow---watching Venezuela melt-down is very distressing---this was a rich country not that long ago---modern (in many areas)---rich with resources---it's long downhill slide just didn't happen overnight---they worked at it long time---now it's down to the level of a third-world country or even less where it's difficult to even lay your hands on a roll of toilet paper---this could be us if we're not careful---stay strong---be as prepared as you can...

Yes, this is pretty much my sendiment. Not so much a statement on socialism but rather the experience from the blackouts and preparedness in general. Preaching to the choir maybe? Probably so. In either case this first hand account is compelling. We could lose power for an extended period for a lot of reasons. AWeek in and most people would be inconvenienced. A month in...... Who knows?
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Default Wrong Leaders, They Need Bernie and Hillary!

The problem with socialism in Venezuela (and Cuba, North Korea, the USSR, etc) is they had the wrong leaders who didn't understand Marxist Leninism well and knew how to make a Socialist Worker's Paradise work right! We need to send them strong leaders like Bernie, Hillary, Obama, AOC, Danny Glover, Sean Penn, Gavin Newsom, Pelosi and Charles Schumer who will turn Venezuela into the Workers and Peasant Socialist paradise showcase! Think of what these US politicians and Hollywood intellectuals could do to Venezuela! Freebies for all! (FYI, watch out for mobs of starving socialist cannibal drugged out zombies after these geniuses fix the Venezuela economy!)

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FWIW:

The corrupt bankers that run the American system are no better than the Socialists that run Communists or Socialist countries.

Did ONE Banker from the 2008 banking crises go to jail? ANS: NOT ONE.

WHEN THIS SYSTEM FAILS, many hard working Americans, are going to pay dearly. Just as the Venezuelans have.

The world's Central Banks are increasing global debt levels at the rate of $1.5 Trillion PER MONTH. In July 2016, Global debt was $225 Trillion. Now Global debt is over $250 Trillion. We are approaching 400% Global Debt to Global GDP.

I recently spoke to a retired friend, he is familiar with prepping, has large solar and 1000 gallons of stored water, in the Silicon Valley. For the first time in ten+ year of talking about prepping, I heard genuine fear in his voice regarding Venezuela's collapsing power grid. Most people around him are stuck in the normalcy bias mode of nothing will ever change (including his kids.)

Learn the lessons form Venezuela now.
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