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Villaontherag osa, has one big advantage of Newsome, he is dummer than a bag of hammers. A2
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I could never vote for Villaregosa, he is all for Open borders and unregulated immigration. As much as I want to defend my 2a rights I would never compromise our right to defend our borders either.
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Assembly Republicans compromised and voted to install Willie Brown as Speaker years ago. Why? In politics if you don't have the numbers you don't get to govern. So they chose Willie Brown because they felt that he would work with them. Now, that decision was made by professional politicians back in 1980 or 81. I'm a nobody who is also a realist and unless we can elect a conservative Republican we have to play the hand that we are dealt. You don't propose the back somebody without asking for key concessions. We will help elect you but keep your hands off our guns.
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Please explain further. Is there a Fed statute to support this? If so, how/who would remove them from office?
They have violated California Constitution Article XX Sec. 3. And clearly their actions are treason. U.S. Code › Title 18 › Part I › Chapter 115 › § 2381

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*The soap box has not worked.
Hard left anti gun/anti freedom biased media/govt here.
Freedom of speach is O. K. as long as it's P. C. speach.
*The ballot box has been subverted.
Motor voter is the latest disaster.
License to drive = license to vote.
*We have not reached the last box.

When they begin to frame ordinary gun owners as radical anti American terrorists then you need to think real hard about what that might mean for you and yours.
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It is so definatley time to start the groundswell and take our state back.
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It is so definatley time to start the groundswell and take our state back.
Doug Ose seems to have the right approach by focusing on Newsome's predatory behavior WHILE STILL IN OFFICE.

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Well they’re doing it, and Trump has done nothing yet.
This is out there, but bear with me.

What if Trump and the Feds are waiting until after November to lay down the law? Why cause a ruckus, that would ultimately hurt CA Republicans in the upcoming elections? If he lays down the law now, it's just going to incite a larger Dem response come election time.

Just something I thought of sitting in traffic, wishful thinking, I'm sure.
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Vag Newscum is not just running for Gov, he’s running for POTUS. Hence the more radical his positions.
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This is out there, but bear with me.

What if Trump and the Feds are waiting until after November to lay down the law? Why cause a ruckus, that would ultimately hurt CA Republicans in the upcoming elections? If he lays down the law now, it's just going to incite a larger Dem response come election time.

Just something I thought of sitting in traffic, wishful thinking, I'm sure.
Trump needs to accelerate the nominations of all open Federal Judgeships in the 9th circuit. With control of the Senate, and the nuclear option in effect, he should nominate all pro 2A candidates to the 9th circuit bench.
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And this crap seems a little far reaching, I've met plenty of people who just get to damn close when they're talking, unless there's more to it that isn't being released. Annoying, yes; harassing, not so much.

How large or small was this table he was supposedly playing footsies at? I've nudged people's feet at large conference tables, after sitting for a long time, just by moving my foot trying to stay comfortable. An apology usually fixes that.

The shoulder thing, yeah that might be too far, but I don't work with a bunch of women. Nor do I know what dynamic those two may have had. If you don't like something someone is doing, speak up, no need to go crying to the boss about it.

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Trump needs to accelerate the nominations of all open Federal Judgeships in the 9th circuit. With control of the Senate, and the nuclear option in effect, he should nominate all pro 2A candidates to the 9th circuit bench.
Did I miss something, did they use it?
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Did I miss something, did they use it?


Yup, senatorial “blue slips” are toast. 51 senators to confirm federal judges.


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Gavin Newsom would happily finish the job of turning California into a socialist state. Not just firearms but even anything deemed to be offensive to the state would be criminalized in some way, including speech.

"But wait Policestate," you say, "the COTUS prevents them from doing that."
HAHAHA, you think the leftist *******s running California care about that? Look at the things they regulate and sue people over now. Think of that getting kicked into hyperdrive. It's not a violation of free speech if they fine/jail you for what they term harassment. I suppose we can hope that SCOTUS keeps their conservative majority to help keep these leftist enemies of freedom and America in check, but if the court ever gets to be a majority made up of people like Ruth Bader-Ginsburg we are all completely and irrevocably ****ed.
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Oh, nevermind.... That went right over my head
Thought something happened today that I missed. Too much BS to keep up with.
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Trump needs to accelerate the nominations of all open Federal Judgeships in the 9th circuit. With control of the Senate, and the nuclear option in effect, he should nominate all pro 2A candidates to the 9th circuit bench.
This! The Governor can pretty much suck on it if we controlled the 9th.

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You guys have already given up and the fight hasn't even started.

What a bunch of nancies.
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You guys have already given up and the fight hasn't even started.

What a bunch of nancies.
Hello, Dr. Jones,

I was merely floating an idea for the sake of discussion and it was my hope that people would offer specific suggestions short of surrender or all-out war. When people say "fight" they need to define it. Nobody ever does that when I ask for details. When I ask how we can roll back the flood of illegal voting so that we can win some elections, people do not know what to say. Yes, we can fight by monitoring elections, but we seem to always lose on that one too. We have more people voting in this state than registered voters! This is the fraud that creates the tyranny of one party rule.

So, rather than call people names we should be having civil discussions. I do know for a fact, having worked in politics briefly many years ago, that the Assembly Republicans had a choice of supporting either Willie Brown for Assembly Speaker, or someone whose name escapes me today. Brown, on the surface, appeared to be far more liberal but the Assembly Republicans made a deal with Brown because he was willing to compromise for the sake of his own personal ambition, and gave him the votes that made him the Speaker. So, I'm just passing that along. Newsome is in this case the "other guy," who is all set to start confiscating guns. His opponent may be open to compromise. That's politics.

I'm interested in hearing your specific plan for how we can survive a corrupt electoral system which produces corrupt politicians who trample on the Constitution. The ultimate answer is to fight with our guns. Do you have any other suggestions?

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Doug Ose seems to have the right approach by focusing on Newsome's predatory behavior WHILE STILL IN OFFICE.

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Willie Brown has had numerous affairs while speaker of the assembly and mayor. (That’s how kameltoe was a shoo in every time she ran for office.) Willie even had a baby with his campaign manager while mayor. Instead of being criticized, he got the wink and the nod for being such a stud at his age. Unless some “me too” type pops up, Newscum’s philandering with the wife of his chief of staff isn’t even going to register.


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Willie Brown has had numerous affairs while speaker of the assembly and mayor. (That’s how kameltoe was a shoo in every time she ran for office.) Willie even had a baby with his campaign manager while mayor. Instead of being criticized, he got the wink and the nod for being such a stud at his age. Unless some “me too” type pops up, Newscum’s philandering with the wife of his chief of staff isn’t even going to register.


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This is true. The average Democrat voter just wants his free stuff, and the typical Democrat politician is going to give it to him. But, of course, the same people who wink and nod at Willie and Bill Clinton, want to run Trump out of town for locker room talk. It's a smelly sewer.
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This is true. The average Democrat voter just wants his free stuff, and the typical Democrat politician is going to give it to him. But, of course, the same people who wink and nod at Willie and Bill Clinton, want to run Trump out of town for locker room talk. It's a smelly sewer.


Which reminds me of a Putin quote
“In Russia, the ***** grabs you”


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Willie Brown has had numerous affairs while speaker of the assembly and mayor. (That’s how kameltoe was a shoo in every time she ran for office.) Willie even had a baby with his campaign manager while mayor. Instead of being criticized, he got the wink and the nod for being such a stud at his age. Unless some “me too” type pops up, Newscum’s philandering with the wife of his chief of staff isn’t even going to register.


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in this state he'll get the woman vote 100%. They don't care here.
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Villaraigosa is catching up to Newsom. He's scum and stupid, but anyone but Newsom.

Hoping the liberal love illegals and sanctuary status bites the pasty white boy in the butt and the Hispanic vote gets behind Tony.

I read LE just backed Villaraigosa too, seems they are not happy with Newsom's soft on crime, touchy feely policies.
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You used the word “fight”. No Californians are doing that.
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I gave money to the Cali Republicans and the NRA for a lot of years and what has that gotten me.
Less 2A rights and more taxes, bigger intrusive govt anon.
They promised that "IF we fight we can win!".

Every year we find ourselves reliving anti -gun Ground Hog Day. The more money spent the more erosion of our Constitutional rights. Rights that cannot be deprived?
"Fighting" in court has proven to be a failed tactic in general. It's always a rope a dope and they wait for the bell to ring or they loose and it gets kicked up to the 9th where it dies a sudden death.
We jump through ever diminishing 2A hoops and call it a positive or win. Really?
So show me a winning strategy and I'll get on board again.
Until then we sit and spin on it.
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No worries, you will see both The Gav and Villa-reconquista on the November ballot. Then you can pick between them.
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We will only keep our guns if we get involved by supporting Pro 2A candidates and voting.
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Well that sure worked out great with prop 63?

Face it, we are outvoted here 3/1.
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Well that sure worked out great with prop 63?

Face it, we are outvoted here 3/1.
Gun owners who bothered to vote are outnumbered. We need to get ALL gun owners on board. Every single one of us needs to step up.
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Gavin Newsom would sign legislation banning firearms as Governor
I'm shocked to hear this news, shocked I tell ya!
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Well that sure worked out great with prop 63?

Face it, we are outvoted here 3/1.
Actually that is not as true as you would think.

There are 19.4 million registered voters:
-8.7 million Democrats (45%)
-5 million Republicans (26%)
-5.7 million no preference/other (29%).

Prop 63 passed with:
-8.6 million Yes (63%)
-5.1 million No (37%)


This means there were roughly 6 million mostly-not-registered-as-Democrat voters who did not vote on Prop 63 at all. We only needed 2/3 of them to vote No, and we'd have defeated it.

Additionally, out of those 8.6 million Yes votes, many were gun owners who simply voted "Yes" because they figured "I can pass a background check just fine, so why should I care?" because nobody bothered to tell them (and they didn't bother to read) what the actual ramifications of Prop 63 were.

Where were all the "Vote no on 63" ads? Outside of Calguns and the NRA email mailing lists, there wasn't any public outreach - and that was the primary culprit.

It's not that we're massively outnumbered, it's that we're massively lazy about getting out and voting, and educating people about what these propositions/candidates are really doing to their rights.
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Gun owners who bothered to vote are outnumbered. We need to get ALL gun owners on board. Every single one of us needs to step up.
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Hello, Dr. Jones,

I was merely floating an idea for the sake of discussion and it was my hope that people would offer specific suggestions short of surrender or all-out war. When people say "fight" they need to define it. Nobody ever does that when I ask for details. When I ask how we can roll back the flood of illegal voting so that we can win some elections, people do not know what to say. Yes, we can fight by monitoring elections, but we seem to always lose on that one too. We have more people voting in this state than registered voters! This is the fraud that creates the tyranny of one party rule.

So, rather than call people names we should be having civil discussions. I do know for a fact, having worked in politics briefly many years ago, that the Assembly Republicans had a choice of supporting either Willie Brown for Assembly Speaker, or someone whose name escapes me today. Brown, on the surface, appeared to be far more liberal but the Assembly Republicans made a deal with Brown because he was willing to compromise for the sake of his own personal ambition, and gave him the votes that made him the Speaker. So, I'm just passing that along. Newsome is in this case the "other guy," who is all set to start confiscating guns. His opponent may be open to compromise. That's politics.

I'm interested in hearing your specific plan for how we can survive a corrupt electoral system which produces corrupt politicians who trample on the Constitution. The ultimate answer is to fight with our guns. Do you have any other suggestions?

Thank you.

I apologize for the name-calling, I just am completely, 1,000% over the self-defeatist, negative attitude around this forum.

It's true that we have a crappy hand dealt to us in CA, and it sounds trite but it is true; if you've already surrendered and lost the battle in your mind, there is literally no point to physically showing up to the actual fight.

Not only that, but all this gloom and doom serves to demoralize lurkers and the casual observers who stumble onto this forum.

I think if we got more people engaged and voting, we could take back this state or at least make good headway. It seems to me that many, many rural residents either don't vote at all or not consistently enough; if they did and were more careful about how they voted, we'd be in a better place.

Hell, there are many, MANY people who are indifferent to guns but are otherwise NOT on board with the left-wing agenda - they would be good allies.

I do like the ideas of splitting off the state; frankly, I had the idea several years ago about splitting it east / west, shaving off the coast, which is what really needs to happen since the worst marxists are in SF & LA.

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I apologize for the name-calling, I just am completely, 1,000% over the self-defeatist, negative attitude around this forum.

It's true that we have a crappy hand dealt to us in CA, and it sounds trite but it is true; if you've already surrendered and lost the battle in your mind, there is literally no point to physically showing up to the actual fight.

Not only that, but all this gloom and doom serves to demoralize lurkers and the casual observers who stumble onto this forum.

I think if we got more people engaged and voting, we could take back this state or at least make good headway. It seems to me that many, many rural residents either don't vote at all or not consistently enough; if they did and were more careful about how they voted, we'd be in a better place.

Hell, even people who are indifferent to guns would be good allies as they aren't on board with the left-wing agenda.

I do like the ideas of splitting off the state; frankly, I had the idea several years ago about splitting it east / west, shaving off the coast, which is what really needs to happen since the worst marxists are in SF & LA.
Post of the Year. I wish everyone would consider this and take it to heart. The Doom-And-Gloomers seem to dominate this forum, when it should be the exact opposite.

Lead, follow, or get out of the way. We have serious work to do here in California. Doom-And-Gloomers would do us all a favor by just getting out of the way.
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Cheerleaders DON'T win the game. It's the players on the field executing the strategy directed by the coaches.
We have no new/good coaches coming up with a winning strategy!!!
Let's just run the old plays and somehow expect to win, if we loose again and we blame the people in the bleachers for not cheering enough and not paying more for the tickets!
Blowing sunshine up the back door won't win us our rights back!
*Lets blame rural folk for not voting! We know they don't contribute or are anything more than fly overs and ignorant bleacher rats.
Yeah. I am a CA rural and my family has lived here for 5 generations.
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I'll vote for Villaraigosa. Anyone but Gavin.

That should be a campaign slogan.
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I remember how gun owners were happy to vote for Jerry Brown.
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I remember how gun owners were happy to vote for Jerry Brown.
Do you remember a time when gun owners were happy to vote for Gavin?
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I'll vote for Villaraigosa. Anyone but Gavin.
Six of one, half a dozen of the other. Both would ruin this state equally, they have exactly the same policy positions.
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