Calguns.net  

Home My iTrader Join the NRA Donate to CGSSA Sponsors CGN Google Search
CA Semiauto Ban(AW)ID Flowchart CA Handgun Ban ID Flowchart CA Shotgun Ban ID Flowchart
Go Back   Calguns.net > POLITICS, LITIGATION AND ACTIVISM > California 2nd Amend. Political Discussion & Activism
Register FAQ Members List Calendar Mark Forums Read

California 2nd Amend. Political Discussion & Activism Discuss gun rights activism and 2A related political topics here. All advice given is NOT legal counsel.

Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 10-03-2010, 1:59 PM
LaredoTornado LaredoTornado is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Posts: 7
iTrader: 0 / 0%
Default Don't point at the LA Sheriff's Dept.

http://wehonews.com/z/wehonews/archi...articleID=5406

“The deputy fired eight rounds and missed him,” said Lt. Ault. “Ultimately, deputies determined that the man the deputy fired upon was the store’s clerk who was pointing to them trying to get their attention.”


-I think I'll stick to waving!

Last edited by LaredoTornado; 10-03-2010 at 2:11 PM..
  #2  
Old 10-03-2010, 2:01 PM
Noobert's Avatar
Noobert Noobert is offline
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: FREE!!
Posts: 3,340
iTrader: 25 / 100%
Default

How lucky is that clerk!
__________________
(\__/)
(='.'=)
(")_(") Copy and paste this bunny into your signature to help him gain world domination.!!!
  #3  
Old 10-03-2010, 2:13 PM
SJgunguy24's Avatar
SJgunguy24 SJgunguy24 is offline
I need a LIFE!!
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Northern Mexico(San Jose) Where illegals have rights and citizens get screwed
Posts: 14,849
iTrader: 18 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Noobert View Post
How lucky is that clerk!
How bad are those deputies at shooting.


That link is for a gay news site called WeHo? Mkay
__________________
There are 3 kinds of people in this world.
The wise, learn from the mistakes of others.
The smart, learn from their own mistakes.
The others, well......they just never learn.

"Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, Give Me Liberty, Or Give Me Death!"
Patrick Henry.

Last edited by SJgunguy24; 10-03-2010 at 2:19 PM..
  #4  
Old 10-03-2010, 2:16 PM
Josey Wales's Avatar
Josey Wales Josey Wales is offline
Calguns Addict
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Lakewood
Posts: 8,759
iTrader: 11 / 100%
Default

Glad to see all that training put into use. Eight shots-nobody hit? That's a good piece of shooting.
  #5  
Old 10-03-2010, 2:17 PM
m1aowner's Avatar
m1aowner m1aowner is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: El Dorado County
Posts: 2,300
iTrader: 9 / 100%
Default

I think it's time for that deputy to visit the CA EDD website and apply.
  #6  
Old 10-03-2010, 2:18 PM
Prowler's Avatar
Prowler Prowler is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Santa Clarita Valley
Posts: 2,099
iTrader: 17 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Josey Wales View Post
Glad to see all that training put into use. Eight shots-nobody hit? That's a good piece of shooting.
Well-trained, made sure he miss all of the friendlies!
__________________
  #7  
Old 10-03-2010, 2:20 PM
Hippo Hippo is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 95
iTrader: 0 / 0%
Default

There are no words to describe this situation.
  #8  
Old 10-03-2010, 2:30 PM
turbogg's Avatar
turbogg turbogg is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Deep in the OC
Posts: 1,248
iTrader: 0 / 0%
Default

It is damn sad when merchants have to worry more about getting wacked by the police, then they do about getting wacked by criminals.
__________________
"Problems cannot be solved at the same level of awareness that created them" -Albert Einstein
  #9  
Old 10-03-2010, 2:40 PM
N6ATF N6ATF is offline
Banned
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: East San Diego County, CA
Posts: 8,383
iTrader: 4 / 100%
Default

Thank god for crap shots.
  #10  
Old 10-03-2010, 2:42 PM
johnthomas's Avatar
johnthomas johnthomas is offline
Calguns Addict
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Henderson Nevada
Posts: 7,001
iTrader: 3 / 100%
Default

I think they train like that. Miss everyone so nobody will sue the Department, lol.
__________________
I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
  #11  
Old 10-03-2010, 2:43 PM
RobG's Avatar
RobG RobG is offline
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Land of Oppression
Posts: 4,887
iTrader: 100 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hippo View Post
There are no words to describe this situation.
This...
  #12  
Old 10-03-2010, 2:43 PM
IntoForever's Avatar
IntoForever IntoForever is offline
CGSSA Associate
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Somewhere else!
Posts: 3,892
iTrader: 29 / 100%
Default

^5!
Quote:
Originally Posted by m1aowner View Post
I think it's time for that deputy to visit the CA EDD website and apply.
He fired a warning shot... 8 times!
  #13  
Old 10-03-2010, 2:43 PM
bodger's Avatar
bodger bodger is offline
Calguns Addict
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: SoCal
Posts: 6,016
iTrader: 10 / 100%
Default

That's a couple of blocks from my house.

Eight shots??? I'm glad as heck the dep missed, but what the hell does that say about an LEO's composure and proficiency with a firearm. Spray and pray the new tactic at the LASO? Maybe they need to stop hiring shoe clerks.

Was he or she running in the opposite direction and firing blindly to the rear?

In any case, the LASO just dodged one hell of a wrongful death lawsuit.
  #14  
Old 10-03-2010, 2:43 PM
N6ATF N6ATF is offline
Banned
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: East San Diego County, CA
Posts: 8,383
iTrader: 4 / 100%
Default

Aha, so it's suppressive fire!
  #15  
Old 10-03-2010, 2:44 PM
Fjold's Avatar
Fjold Fjold is offline
I need a LIFE!!
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Commonwealth of Kentucky
Posts: 22,315
iTrader: 29 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Josey Wales View Post
Glad to see all that training put into use. Eight shots-nobody no innocent parties hit? That's a good piece of shooting.
Fixed it.
__________________
Frank

One rifle, one planet, Holland's 375

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v214/Fjold/member8325.png

Life Member NRA, CRPA and SAF
  #16  
Old 10-03-2010, 2:47 PM
Helpful_Cub's Avatar
Helpful_Cub Helpful_Cub is offline
CGN/CGSSA Contributor - Lifetime
CGN Contributor - Lifetime
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Antelope Valley, CA
Posts: 1,459
iTrader: 6 / 100%
Default

In all fairness to the Deputy, he was probably scared and not ready for a potential conflict. He knew he was going in hot and didn't know anything else about the situation before going in. I'm not sure if it was lack of training or just a lack of knowledge. I do have to wonder where his partner was though. They normally both open fire to a potential threat.
  #17  
Old 10-03-2010, 2:49 PM
Bobula's Avatar
Bobula Bobula is offline
CGN/CGSSA Contributor
CGN Contributor
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Amador County
Posts: 9,338
iTrader: 154 / 100%
Default

Epic failure
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kestryll View Post
Yeah, don't tell that rat bastard Kestryll, he'll shut it down.

Fascist pig....
  #18  
Old 10-03-2010, 3:06 PM
tenpercentfirearms's Avatar
tenpercentfirearms tenpercentfirearms is offline
Vendor/Retailer
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Taft, CA
Posts: 12,939
iTrader: 10 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Helpful_Cub View Post
In all fairness to the Deputy, he was probably scared and not ready for a potential conflict. He knew he was going in hot and didn't know anything else about the situation before going in. I'm not sure if it was lack of training or just a lack of knowledge. I do have to wonder where his partner was though. They normally both open fire to a potential threat.
I am pretty pro-law enforcement and when they shoot some bad guy 20 times, it doesn't break my heart. However, there is no excuse to fire your firearm 8 times and not hit anything and especially fire 8 times at someone who was in no way a threat. I don't say this often, but this officer needs to be fired.

The sad thing is I might have defended the officer had he/she hit the clerk. The fact that the officer can't judge a situation and can't hit what they are aiming at and that it takes 8 rounds to realize you are shooting at someone without a gun is sufficient evidence to get them off the street.

And can I get a holy crap! What a charlie foxtrot!
__________________
www.tenpercentfirearms.com was open from 2005 until 2018. I now own Westside Arms.
  #19  
Old 10-03-2010, 3:09 PM
POLICESTATE's Avatar
POLICESTATE POLICESTATE is offline
I need a LIFE!!
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: TEXAS
Posts: 18,183
iTrader: 25 / 100%
Default

Maybe the clerk looked like this guy:



I'm sure the quick thinking of the deputy saved his life, and the shots fired didn't miss, but were simply deflected by The Force.

Good thing too, this guy can shoot ****ing lightning from his fingertips!
__________________
-POLICESTATE,
In the name of the State, and of the School, and of the Infallible Science


If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face — forever.


Government Official Lies
. F r e e d o m . D i e s .
  #20  
Old 10-03-2010, 3:12 PM
The Cable Guy's Avatar
The Cable Guy The Cable Guy is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Chino Hills, CA
Posts: 1,277
iTrader: 40 / 100%
Default

I have all the respect for LA County Sheriffs, but I'm not sure what's scarier... The fact that the deputy was so quick to open fire, or the fact that he missed all 8 shots at a supposed threat?
__________________

www.theshootersblog.com
  #21  
Old 10-03-2010, 3:12 PM
Agent Orange Agent Orange is offline
Banned
 
Join Date: May 2010
Posts: 989
iTrader: 0 / 0%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hippo View Post
There are no words to describe this situation.
Perhaps not but "fubar" comes close.
  #22  
Old 10-03-2010, 3:15 PM
scarville's Avatar
scarville scarville is offline
CGN/CGSSA Contributor
CGN Contributor
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Glendora, CA
Posts: 2,325
iTrader: 0 / 0%
Default

Wow! Just, Wow! I'll bet that clerk will think twice next time he's tempted to bother the police for something as trivial as armed robbery.

Sometimes life throws so much asurdity at me that I'm tempted to believe The Illuminatus! Trilogy is history.
__________________
Politicians and criminals are moral twins separated only by legal fiction.

Last edited by scarville; 10-03-2010 at 3:18 PM..
  #23  
Old 10-03-2010, 3:22 PM
Walker's Avatar
Walker Walker is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Sacramento, Ca
Posts: 122
iTrader: 0 / 0%
Default

I'd think twice before calling 911 ever again if this happened to me.
  #24  
Old 10-03-2010, 3:24 PM
quick draw mcgraw's Avatar
quick draw mcgraw quick draw mcgraw is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Roseville-Rocklin-Granite Bay
Posts: 716
iTrader: 0 / 0%
Thumbs down

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobula View Post
Epic failure

+1,000,000

I hope Deputy Fife finds himself unemployed very soon and that the LA County Sheriff's Dept takes a good hard look at itself and its apparent incompetence!!

Sheesh!!!!!!!!!!
  #25  
Old 10-03-2010, 3:29 PM
Brianguy's Avatar
Brianguy Brianguy is offline
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 3,836
iTrader: 3 / 100%
Default

That's bull****.
  #26  
Old 10-03-2010, 3:30 PM
bodger's Avatar
bodger bodger is offline
Calguns Addict
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: SoCal
Posts: 6,016
iTrader: 10 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Helpful_Cub View Post
In all fairness to the Deputy, he was probably scared and not ready for a potential conflict. He knew he was going in hot and didn't know anything else about the situation before going in. I'm not sure if it was lack of training or just a lack of knowledge. I do have to wonder where his partner was though. They normally both open fire to a potential threat.

Lack of gonads comes to mind.
  #27  
Old 10-03-2010, 3:32 PM
calnurse calnurse is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 451
iTrader: 0 / 0%
Default

Man! I thought my skills stunk!
  #28  
Old 10-03-2010, 4:01 PM
bodger's Avatar
bodger bodger is offline
Calguns Addict
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: SoCal
Posts: 6,016
iTrader: 10 / 100%
Default

I'm wondering what made the LEO stop at eight. Thought he/she had neutralized the perp? Realized the mistake?

There had to be more rounds in the magazine.

Maybe it was just a case of "Well, that oughta do it!"
  #29  
Old 10-03-2010, 4:03 PM
IVC's Avatar
IVC IVC is offline
I need a LIFE!!
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Temecula
Posts: 17,587
iTrader: 3 / 100%
Default

Hope nobody labels this an "LEO bashing". If I understand correctly, the first 10 rounds are supposed to miss, hence it is safe for the rest of us to have only low-cap magazines. On the other hand, if he had fired 11+ rounds and missed, then it would be justified to question his competence .
  #30  
Old 10-03-2010, 4:08 PM
1911 Fan's Avatar
1911 Fan 1911 Fan is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Utopia "socal"
Posts: 172
iTrader: 0 / 0%
Default

Thank goodness the clerk wasn't hit by the gunfire. As for the deputy........no comment.
__________________
" Where Liberty dwells there is my country" adios california.
  #31  
Old 10-03-2010, 4:10 PM
POLICESTATE's Avatar
POLICESTATE POLICESTATE is offline
I need a LIFE!!
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: TEXAS
Posts: 18,183
iTrader: 25 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by bodger View Post
I'm wondering what made the LEO stop at eight. Thought he/she had neutralized the perp? Realized the mistake?

There had to be more rounds in the magazine.

Maybe it was just a case of "Well, that oughta do it!"
Maybe he had a 1911?
__________________
-POLICESTATE,
In the name of the State, and of the School, and of the Infallible Science


If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face — forever.


Government Official Lies
. F r e e d o m . D i e s .
  #32  
Old 10-03-2010, 4:10 PM
ojisan's Avatar
ojisan ojisan is offline
Agent 86
CGN Contributor
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: SFV
Posts: 11,689
iTrader: 59 / 100%
Default

The latest trend in convenience store clerk apparel:
__________________

Quote:
Originally Posted by Citadelgrad87 View Post
I don't really care, I just like to argue.
  #33  
Old 10-03-2010, 4:13 PM
glockman19 glockman19 is offline
Banned
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 10,487
iTrader: 18 / 100%
Default

Sad on many levels.

Glad no one was hurt.

Looks like more trainig is needed here in both situational awareness and shooting profiency.
  #34  
Old 10-03-2010, 4:13 PM
Sniper3142's Avatar
Sniper3142 Sniper3142 is offline
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Tustin, CA
Posts: 2,576
iTrader: 0 / 0%
Default

Those cops are lucky...

Luck that they didn't murder an innocent citizen. And lucky that they didn't do this to an armed citizen who could shoot back.

__________________
Internet Talk is Cheap

Man Up, Show Up, or Shut the @#$! Up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C74HgbjSCLM
  #35  
Old 10-03-2010, 4:29 PM
Rossi357's Avatar
Rossi357 Rossi357 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Sandy Eggo County
Posts: 1,229
iTrader: 0 / 0%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by LaredoTornado View Post
http://wehonews.com/z/wehonews/archi...articleID=5406

“The deputy fired eight rounds and missed him,” said Lt. Ault. “Ultimately, deputies determined that the man the deputy fired upon was the store’s clerk who was pointing to them trying to get their attention.”


-I think I'll stick to waving!
Eight rds and no hit. Great shooting. So much for trusting well trained LEO's and their PROFICIENCY with firearms.
  #36  
Old 10-03-2010, 4:34 PM
SJgunguy24's Avatar
SJgunguy24 SJgunguy24 is offline
I need a LIFE!!
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Northern Mexico(San Jose) Where illegals have rights and citizens get screwed
Posts: 14,849
iTrader: 18 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by POLICESTATE View Post
Maybe the clerk looked like this guy:



I'm sure the quick thinking of the deputy saved his life, and the shots fired didn't miss, but were simply deflected by The Force.

Good thing too, this guy can shoot ****ing lightning from his fingertips!
Nancy Pelosi in her sunday finest.
__________________
There are 3 kinds of people in this world.
The wise, learn from the mistakes of others.
The smart, learn from their own mistakes.
The others, well......they just never learn.

"Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, Give Me Liberty, Or Give Me Death!"
Patrick Henry.
  #37  
Old 10-03-2010, 4:37 PM
CCWFacts CCWFacts is offline
Calguns Addict
 
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 6,150
iTrader: 3 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Walker View Post
I'd think twice before calling 911 ever again if this happened to me.
Yeah, yet another reason for store clerks to be armed, to deal with the situation themselves.

Quote:
Originally Posted by tenpercentfirearms View Post
I am pretty pro-law enforcement and when they shoot some bad guy 20 times, it doesn't break my heart.
Ditto... When that guy with a knife was shot just recently in LA, my thought was, "good shooting".

Quote:
Originally Posted by tenpercentfirearms View Post
However, there is no excuse to fire your firearm 8 times and not hit anything and especially fire 8 times at someone who was in no way a threat. I don't say this often, but this officer needs to be fired.
The officer needs to be more than just fired. They should charge the officer with unlawful discharge, same as what would happen to me if I let off a few rounds in the city. I don't care if a person has a badge or not, it is simply not ok, and should always be charged as a crime, when someone shoots without identifying the target. That's what distinguishes the good guys from the bad guys. The good guys act with moral restraint, meaning they don't recklessly endanger others' lives. Sometimes that moral restraint means delay in action, and that may entail some risk, but that's how life is.

As for being fired, I have no idea what their union contract says, but I know in San Francisco it is insanely difficult to fire bad officers:

Quote:
A San Francisco police officer accused of instructing a rookie officer to lie to cover up a suspect's escape was spared from dismissal by the Police Commission, which instead imposed a nine-month suspension stemming from the 2003 incident, The Chronicle has learned.

Chief George Gascón has complained that sparing officers like Sevilla - who have been accused of lying or misconduct that could discredit them - means the department is stuck with highly paid sworn cops only fit for desk assignments. That's because those officers, Gascón said, would not make reliable witnesses in court and thus can't be counted on to testify.
Source

So in SF, they simply can't fire officers who have moral problems, and they can't use them, so all they do is sit at a desk collecting big salaries while waiting for their huge pensions to arrive.

Edited: The officer in question, Lionel Sevilla, made $111,551 last year, and now he'll spend the rest of his career pulling in > $100k, plus about $25k worth of benefits, to sit at a desk and twiddle his thumbs, until he retires and starts getting his pension, which will probably also be about $100k per year. Taxpayers will end up paying about $2mil for this guy's honest and courageous desk service. In the five years while his case was being investigated, he "earned" about $500k from the taxpayers. At some point, SF may start asking itself, which is worse, being robbed by the police union, or dealing with actual robbers on the street.
__________________
"Weakness is provocative."
Senator Tom Cotton, president in 2024

Victoria "Tori" Rose Smith's life mattered.

Last edited by CCWFacts; 10-03-2010 at 5:00 PM..
  #38  
Old 10-03-2010, 4:37 PM
Josey Wales's Avatar
Josey Wales Josey Wales is offline
Calguns Addict
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Lakewood
Posts: 8,759
iTrader: 11 / 100%
Default

If I'm ever shot at, I hope it's by this officer.
  #39  
Old 10-03-2010, 4:54 PM
Hippo Hippo is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 95
iTrader: 0 / 0%
Default

Would the shopkeep have been justified in pulling out his own firearm to defend himself in this specific situation?
  #40  
Old 10-03-2010, 5:24 PM
Prowler's Avatar
Prowler Prowler is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Santa Clarita Valley
Posts: 2,099
iTrader: 17 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by bodger View Post
I'm wondering what made the LEO stop at eight. Thought he/she had neutralized the perp? Realized the mistake?

There had to be more rounds in the magazine.

Maybe it was just a case of "Well, that oughta do it!"
He was saving them for his next robbery call...
__________________
Closed Thread

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump



All times are GMT -8. The time now is 1:35 PM.




Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Proudly hosted by GeoVario the Premier 2A host.
Calguns.net, the 'Calguns' name and all associated variants and logos are ® Trademark and © Copyright 2002-2021, Calguns.net an Incorporated Company All Rights Reserved.
All opinions, statements and remarks made by Calguns.net on this web site and elsewhere are solely attributable to Calguns.net.



Seams2SewBySusy