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Old 05-23-2017, 9:01 AM
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The other day my Grandfather gave me 5 old rifles and a modern shotgun. The old guns have great stories behind them and I will keep them forever and pass them down to my son when the time is right. I have done a little research on them but was hoping some of you pros could add some more insight for me.



From top to bottom they are:
1. Quackenbush .22
2. H&R Jr Topper Classic 20g
3. Remington Model 8 .32cal
4. Remington Model 24 .22LR
5. Winchester Model 62 .22 S L or LR
6. Winchester Model 92 25-20cal

I'm most interested in the Winchester Model 92 lever action. I see their is a model 1892 but I can't find a lot of into on a model 92. Are they one in the same? If it is a model 1892 then it looks like it dates back to (1924?) by the serial number 9285xx. I see the ring on the side is called a saddle ring. According to my Grandfather he shot his first buck and his last buck with this gun.






The other interesting one is the Remington Model 8. Serial number 385xx looks like it dates back to (1917?). There is no date code marking on the barrel and it looks like Remington started that in 1921.






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Model 8
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.32 Remington ammo
https://www.buffaloarms.com/32-remin...f-20-amo32rem2

If you reload, you can purchase dies, brass, bullets, etc.

My friend has one that belonged to his grandfather. He had it checked out by a gunsmith, cleaned, test fired, and picked up 100 rounds for it. It gets taken out every couple of years to fire a few rounds through it.
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Wow! congratulations, your grandfather is very generous.

I don't have a lot to add other than the Remington model 24 is what some might call a lightweight version to the famous Browning SA-22 which was one of the very first production semi auto 22 rifles.
the Browning is still considered a "Classic" today and I believe your Remington cousin might even fetch a little more money than a browning (to the right collector), even though you would never sell it.

More importantly with the aftermarket flip up rear sites that a lot of your rifles have my guess is they are real shooters and plenty accurate.

Some of the calibers you received may not be as inexpensive as they once were but all of the 22's (the ones chambered in 22 Long rifle) are ready to go have a blast all day at the range with you and your family.

I might try and shoot standard velocity 22 Long rifle and stay away from the hypervelocity stuff being sold today, just to keep the rifles in great condition.

(If you can't find any standard velocity stuff I believe CCI's "Blazer" .22 bulk ammo has one of the lower rated velocities, at least according to their information and my memory.)

Happy shooting and don't forget to take grandpa with you.
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Model 1892 or Model 92, same.
Yours made 1st quarter of 1924, with 12,312 made that year. Lyman tang sight should have the letter application code "D" stamped on the bottom.

#5 is not a Remington, It's a "Winchester" Model 62, made from 1932-1959, with a total of 412,022 made. Yours was made in 1954, with 10,326 made that year.

Remington Model 24, made 1922-1935 in either .22 Short, or .22LR. Browning patent design, replaced by the Model 241.

I want that Quackenbush!
Henry Marcus Quackenbush of of Herkimer, NY, served an apprenticeship with Remington in the late 1800's. Later made air rifles in calibers from .17 to .25, and the first to mass produce air guns. He also invented the extension ladder.
The Quackenbush .22's came in a "bicycle version with a fixed, or telescoping wire stock, later copied for the M4 survival rifle. Made circa 1886 to 1922, in three models, Bicycle Rifle, Junior Safety Rifle, and the Safety Rifle.

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Very nice OP. Your grandfather did a great job preserving those beauties.
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That rem model 8 is a beaut!
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Model 1892 or Model 92, same.
Yours made 1st quarter of 1924, with 12,312 made that year. Lyman tang sight should have the letter application code "D" stamped on the bottom.

#5 is not a Remington, It's a "Winchester" Model 62, made from 1932-1959, with a total of 412,022 made. Yours was made in 1954, with 10,326 made that year.

Remington Model 24, made 1922-1935 in either .22 Short, or .22LR. Browning patent design, replaced by the Model 241.

I want that Quackenbush!
Henry Marcus Quackenbush of of Herkimer, NY, served an apprenticeship with Remington in the late 1800's. Later made air rifles in calibers from .17 to .25, and the first to mass produce air guns. He also invented the extension ladder.
The Quackenbush .22's came in a "bicycle version with a fixed, or telescoping wire stock, later copied for the M4 survival rifle. Made circa 1886 to 1922, in three models, Bicycle Rifle, Junior Safety Rifle, and the Safety Rifle.
Thank you for all the info Trap. The tang sight is aftermarket I think. It says "marble" Gladstone, Mich. on the side and just has TM stamped in the bottom.

Thank you for the correction on #5. Changed it to Winchester.

I see you're in Dixon... I am in Lodi if you ever want to meet up!
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The stock on the Quackenbush is on upside down.

The model 8 is very nice. Unfortunately the .32 Remington is one of those cartridges that just didn't make it. There is nothing wrong with it. It is basically the rimless version of .32 Winchester Special. The brass is a bit hard to come by, but you can use either .32 Remington or .30 Remington for reloading. If you run the .30 through a .32 Remington die, it becomes .32 Remington. Neither are all that common, but if you find one cheaper or more available than the other, you may as well grab it. The Model 8 and 81 have some quirks. They are good guns, but the felt recoil on them is significantly harder than it should be. It isn't just your imagination. The problem is that heavy bolt and barrel recoiling back into the end of the action. It is not at magnum rifle levels or anything. But it is more than the same cartridge out of a different style of action would be. It is simply an artifact of the design. They still make very good guns for close-in hunting. They were hugely popular for deer and bear in the woods back east, and in the swamps and marshes of the south.

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The stock on the Quackenbush is on upside down.
Ha good catch. I thought it looked a little strange
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Very nice ! Congrats. Sooo jealous of that 92
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Very nice ! Congrats. Sooo jealous of that 92
Same here! I want/need a 92 SRC in my collection
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I need any! SRC in my collection ... One day.

Love that Model 8 " bonny & clyde " killer
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Thank you for all the info Trap. The tang sight is aftermarket I think. It says "marble" Gladstone, Mich. on the side and just has TM stamped in the bottom.

Thank you for the correction on #5. Changed it to Winchester.

I see you're in Dixon... I am in Lodi if you ever want to meet up!
After I posted, I was thinking that could be a Marbles. W2 would be the Marbles code, and Winchester did install both Marbles and Lyman sights on special order.
I would like to see some close ups on all those tang sights. It would surprise what some of them are worth! I have a Stevens Favorite and a little Remington #4 take down rolling block, both with original tang sights, and folding front Beech sights.The sights are worth more than the rifles!
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After I posted, I was thinking that could be a Marbles. W2 would be the Marbles code, and Winchester did install both Marbles and Lyman sights on special order.
I would like to see some close ups on all those tang sights. It would surprise what some of them are worth! I have a Stevens Favorite and a little Remington #4 take down rolling block, both with original tang sights, and folding front Beech sights.The sights are worth more than the rifles!
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Wow great collection OP.

Your granddad was smart to invest in tang sights...not only do they vastly improve shootability, they have also become fairly valuable in and of themselves.

I have the same sight that you have (on your model 8) on my 81. The sight cost me a bundle.

I would suggest taking that model 24 out and shoot it.....I have a Norinco clone of the Browning version, and it is by far the funnest shooting .22 rifle I own (and I own 16 .22 rifles).

If you want to meet Trap55, come on out to our next Norcal C&R shoot, and bring some of your guns. I live in Elk Grove, you can hitch a ride with me if you want. We usually do it in Oroville every six months or so.

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Wow great collection OP.

Your granddad was smart to invest in tang sights...not only do they vastly improve shootability, they have also become fairly valuable in and of themselves.

I have the same sight that you have (on your model 8) on my 81. The sight cost me a bundle.

I would suggest taking that model 24 out and shoot it.....I have a Norinco clone of the Browning version, and it is by far the funnest shooting .22 rifle I own (and I own 16 .22 rifles).

If you want to meet Trap55, come on out to our next Norcal C&R shoot, and bring some of your guns. I live in Elk Grove, you can hitch a ride with me if you want. We usually do it in Oroville every six months or so.

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Thanks for the invite. That sounds like a good time! I am planning on giving all of them a once over to make sure they function properly and I need to find some more .32. My Grandfather gave me a few old rounds but I'd like to get some more.
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Congrats on your inheritance. That is a nice gift for sure.
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Might have to take out a bank loan,


32 Rem: http://ammoseek.com/ammo/32rem


25-20: http://ammoseek.com/ammo/25-20-winchester
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I didn't even see the sight. Yes, the sight on that Model 8 costs a fortune. If you can even find them.

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Just saw the sight pics and I'm late for work, I'll ID and price them when I get home.
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My grandfather owned no guns at his death. According to my mom, he complied with the government's request for persons of Japanese ancestry to turn in firearms and shortwave radios. He never got back into hunting after the restrictions were lifted. Hiding the guns wasn't a good idea since it was well-known that he was a hunter.
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these tang sights range in value from 100-300 dollars. The marbles tang sight on the 92 is worth about 150 bucks...maybe a little more on EBAY.

This tang sight i have is marked "W" on the base for a model 73. These are worth their weight in gold! This one would probably go for 250+
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Really nice stuff. You are very fortunate to have these Family heirlooms handed down to you.

Cherish them and get the next generation interested in them, take them shooting, hunting, whatever, and they will be well taken care of and appreciated for a long time..

If not, they will part Family ways sooner than later.
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The Model 8 is a Lyman Model 1A and marked AT for the Models 8 and 81. The difference between the model 1 and 1A is the 1A has the locking lever on the left side. $100-$300

The Marbles W2 Flexible Sight has a sliding lock at the front of the base. It came with two apertures, a Standard and a Hunter, if you wanted the Snap Shooter or Target, they were $0.50 each. They also could be ordered with a "Special Base", that moved the post back at the front edge of the stock comb. $75-$175

Need a pic of the Rem 24 sight, looks like a Lyman made Remington E40.
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Very nice batch of rifles, OP. Congrats!
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Thank you for all the comments everyone. Thanks again Trap55 and I'll get up some pics of the model 24 sight when I get home in Friday morning

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The Model 8 is a Lyman Model 1A and marked AT for the Models 8 and 81. The difference between the model 1 and 1A is the 1A has the locking lever on the left side. $100-$300

The Marbles W2 Flexible Sight has a sliding lock at the front of the base. It came with two apertures, a Standard and a Hunter, if you wanted the Snap Shooter or Target, they were $0.50 each. They also could be ordered with a "Special Base", that moved the post back at the front edge of the stock comb. $75-$175

Need a pic of the Rem 24 sight, looks like a Lyman made Remington E40.
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Lyman R24 made for Remington, they called a Remington E40. Fits the Model 24 and 241. $125-$200
Looks like the flip down target peep is missing from the aperture. There's an older gentleman I see at the Reno Show that has vintage sights and parts. Somewhere in this mess I have his card, but then again, it would be a good excuse to go to the show to find an undamaged sight post.
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