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Old 07-11-2017, 11:14 AM
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Default My Political SCIENCE take on 2nd Amend defense.

Poly Sci being the relativity dry study of how Politics happen, and where and what effort to apply, etc.

1)Don't put RESOURCES into fighting anti-gun laws in CA, since CA govt will pretty much do anything and everything they can get away with under Constitutional restrictions. I'm not saying don't vote against them, etc, just don't squander TOO much actual money pissing into a hurricane.

2)Look to Fed level of Govt to protect 2nd in CA and other anti-2nd States, like 1950-60s Civil Rights, but "different". Different mostly because "Civil Rights" was not already in the original Bill of Rights, and involved things like brutally punishing innocent children with Forced Busing, etc.

3)IF we assume Trump is even 1/2 legit, and WOULD be pro-2nd if he had support or was prodded, then the thing to do is both support and prod him. Trump needs to get the message loud and clear that if he continues to disrespect the will of the voters we will leave him like Bernie supporters left Hillary. At the same time, make it clear that RINOs like Ryan, McCain etc are now the real enemy, since people like Waters and Pelosi only drive fence sitters to our cause.

4)Anything less than a National 2nd Amend enforcement bill that would vacate all State efforts to degrade 2nd should be seen as Anti-2nd. Don't be fooled by some guy like Paul Ryan voting "yes" on a few minor bills.

5)What we need is a 2nd Amend Civil Rights bill that sets out Criminal and Civil penalties for Infringing, as well as a clear path for citizens to sue for any Infrigments, which by necessity would be targeted almost exclusively at State and Local govt officials. Stopping a LGS from selling regular AR-15 would be like stopping Safeway from selling bread to Black people.

6)My UC Berk Poly Sci grad tells me Going Negative is always several times more effective than adding your name to group of supporters.

7)The last election showed the Voters on the NATIONAL level want real change, so don't be afraid to use that to attack RINOs, even if that means supporting a true 2nd DINO in order to force the RINO to support the 2nd.

8)US Winner Take All system means targeting wavering districts or officials is the only thing that works. Don't worry about 49 anti-2nd Senators, worry about the top 4 RINO fake 2nd Amend backstabbers (who can make all the gains of Trump, Trump's SCOTUS, and gains in House and Senate MEANINGLESS). As they say, "so near, yet so far". Look at how Pelosi rammed ObamaCare through via the backdoor, and very much against the polls. Where is our "Pelosi"?

9)Don't let RINOs tell you what 2nd Amend support means, attack them for their dishonestly and shame them.

10)Last but not least, if you are going to banter with CA Anti-Gun crowd, go directly to the voters and explain to them what their leadership is really saying is that non-White people in States like CA can't have the same sort of Rights and freedom as is taken for granted in largely White States, because the DNC and CA Dem Party is a Plantation, not a "big tent".


PS-don't forget about the "well regulated" meaning target and RELOADING practice as a reason to make the AR-15 especially a legally protected gun. You can't expect our troops to become top-shots after 6 weeks of Basic of which only a small fraction is on the rifle range, nor can you expect them to maintain skills for months when not training constantly.

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Old 07-11-2017, 11:49 AM
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Defcon Zero is spot on, states like CA and NJ will never have real change toward self defense rights until it is forced on them by the Federal gov.
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Old 07-11-2017, 11:52 AM
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SICK AND TIRED OF THIS LOOSER ATTITUDE!
SHUT THE HELL UP IF YOU DON'T WANT TO SUPPORT THE CA FIGHT!
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Old 07-11-2017, 11:57 AM
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What we need is to re-instill the "Self Sufficient" mindset that has built this Country. Any time someone mentions government assistance, think of them as UN AMERICAN TRAITORS! And someone to be persecuted.
Enough of this already.
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Old 07-11-2017, 12:17 PM
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SICK AND TIRED OF THIS LOOSER ATTITUDE!
SHUT THE HELL UP IF YOU DON'T WANT TO SUPPORT THE CA FIGHT!
Its like this:

Your team needs to win one game to make to the payoffs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7fjDS0jKiE

In your current game you are trailing by 30 points with 3 minutes to go, and your star QB, with no viable backup, has a sprained ankle, and maybe a mild concussion, making him slow and extra vulnerable to sacks.

But you are highly favored to win next TWO weeks, IF your star QB can play close to normal ability.

Do you keep him in the game hoping for about 5 or 6 miracles, or do you pull him and basically forfeit the game, planning to win at least one of next two games?

There is brave and there is just dumb.

Don't spend money to send an RV to Congresswoman Waters' district to call her out for selling out USA on 2nd Amend, send one to Ryan's district.
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Old 07-11-2017, 12:26 PM
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Defcon Zero is spot on, states like CA and NJ will never have real change toward self defense rights until it is forced on them by the Federal gov.
Yep, and that wont happen until the issue is forced onto RINOs.

Its tough going trying to push back on the ground against the other side.

Its far more effective, because its the truth, to call out phonies for their backstabbing.

If you really want to screw someone, install elected officials who claim to be on one side of an issue, and who make great show of support on minor meaningless bills, but who are really there to displace any honest support.

That is what we have now with RINOs.

We need to tell Ryan and McConnell we don't want their Veal Parm sandwich.
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SICK AND TIRED OF THIS LOOSER ATTITUDE!
SHUT THE HELL UP IF YOU DON'T WANT TO SUPPORT THE CA FIGHT!
Sometimes facing reality is a real biatch.

Look at Californias history in the area of RKBA over the last 20 or 30 years .
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Good post, OP...agreed on most points.
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SICK AND TIRED OF THIS LOOSER ATTITUDE!
SHUT THE HELL UP IF YOU DON'T WANT TO SUPPORT THE CA FIGHT!
I think the OP is proposing a new strategy in the fight. He is not saying we don't fight, he is saying we need to fight differently. Obviously our current strategy is not working/ not working fast enough to give us relief in our lifetimes.

I think aggressive federal prosecution of liberal officials on the grounds of civil rights violations will help.
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SICK AND TIRED OF THIS LOOSER ATTITUDE!
SHUT THE HELL UP IF YOU DON'T WANT TO SUPPORT THE CA FIGHT!
It’s not a loser attitude it’s called reality.
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5)What we need is a 2nd Amend Civil Rights bill that sets out Criminal and Civil penalties for Infringing, as well as a clear path for citizens to sue for any Infrigments, which by necessity would be targeted almost exclusively at State and Local govt officials.
This.

We have already seen the leftists in that CA DOJ violate the requirements placed on them by the leftist ammunition control bill, and have seen no consequences.

In a just society with rule of law, one of two things would already have occurred - either the AG and DOJ officials responsible for this violation would already have been removed from public office/employment, and possibly charged with criminal negligence, or even conspiracy to violate the law, or, the laws itself would be summarily thrown out, on the basis that the state is not following their end of it.

When people like DeLeon conspire with others to deny citizens their rights through use of fraudulent and intentionally misleading statements, they need to be prosecuted for these crimes.
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