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Old 04-06-2016, 7:53 PM
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Well I have been doing some research but there are so many options and I was hoping the forum members here could help me out with my decision.

Budget - $2000 Rifle, $1000 optics…+/- $2-300 for each

Use - Hunting game from deer size to elk size and punching paper at distance

What I have thought about… Shilen barreled action, kind of costly @$1500 so that would eat a lot of the rifle budget….or possibly buying a Remington 700 action and going custom from there…

My questions….
What would be a good caliber for my needs? I do not reload but plan to in the future, plenty of friends that reload...
If I go the 700 action route would I want/need custom work done to the action itself or is it good as is?
What would you get with that same budget/needs? i.e action, barrel, trigger, stock, scope, etc...

A little about me...
Hiking in the hills with weight is a cake walk for me so I am not worried about rifle weight if it will perform better…many seasons as a hotshot for the USFS
Lots of time in the outdoors hunting but I have never owned a scoped rifle, always had a friends rifle to use if I needed one…
Lots of time shooting ARs, AKs, and pistols….so I will be a newbie in the long range department but would like a rifle that I could grow into as I gain experience...

Thanks for the input...
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Old 04-06-2016, 8:04 PM
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Weight no issue

.300win mag

Get a gun with a least a 26" barrel
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Old 04-06-2016, 8:15 PM
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Rem 700 Action and Remage Barrel Kit

Good stock that fits comfortably


Or just get ready made

Sako A7 Roughtech in 30-06 or .270win will work wonders

Of course you might want
http://www.cabelas.com/product/CVA-S...LE/1914411.uts

Reason is considered a primitive rifle with a minimum of .35 whelen in the states of Mississippi and Louisiana. Primitive Hunting Seasons offer some of the best chances of bagging game.

.35 Whelen can all North American Game even the big old grizzly bear
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Old 04-06-2016, 8:19 PM
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Thanks for the info, I will check that stuff out…also if it were better to spend more on the scope and less on the rifle that option works for me too...
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Old 04-06-2016, 8:22 PM
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Mine are Savage 110 7mm Rem mag and Ruger 77 280 Rem. If I was going to build a new one, maybe a Remington 783 in 280 or 7mag.
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Old 04-06-2016, 8:24 PM
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Weight no issue

.300win mag

Get a gun with a least a 26" barrel
Wouldn't the 300 win mag just ruin a deer?
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Old 04-06-2016, 8:27 PM
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Mine are Savage 110 7mm Rem mag and Ruger 77 280 Rem. If I was going to build a new one, maybe a Remington 783 in 280 or 7mag.
My engineer swears by the 7mm mag, I haven't shot one personally tho…I recently read a field and stream article that said a 270 will do pretty much the same thing a 7mm mag will do?….there is always the 30-06 but I don't see many custom rifles built in 30-06
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My engineer swears by the 7mm mag, I haven't shot one personally tho…I recently read a field and stream article that said a 270 will do pretty much the same thing a 7mm mag will do?….there is always the 30-06 but I don't see many custom rifles built in 30-06
Never heard of that. The 280AI will get close though.
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Or would it be practical since I'm new to buy a Remington 5R for $1200 and put a new trigger and some good glass on it?
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Just about any modern rifle is going to give you the accuracy that hunters only dreamed of 20yrs ago. In the 80's 2 MOA was considered to be a keeper. My Dad's beloved Winchester 88' is a 3 MOA Gun all day. Yet he has taken lots of deer and elk with it in the last 51yrs.
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Or would it be practical since I'm new to buy a Remington 5R for $1200 and put a new trigger and some good glass on it?
That would work really well.

I think this would be a good scope

http://shop.opticsplanet.com/burris-...2RORoCRZ7w_wcB
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Just about any modern rifle is going to give you the accuracy that hunters only dreamed of 20yrs ago. In the 80's 2 MOA was considered to be a keeper. My Dad's beloved Winchester 88' is a 3 MOA Gun all day. Yet he has taken lots of deer and elk with it in the last 51yrs.
Yeah, but he's not looking for hunting accuracy. He said he wants a long range target gun that he can hunt with and weight doesn't matter. So, let's build him a long range target gun in an appropriate cartridge for the game he seeks.

I would agree with .300 WM in a 26 inch medium palma barrel (not like I have experience with the stuff as I'm no long range shooter). Or .300 WSM in a short action. .30-06 would work well too. Depending on what he thinks of as long range, 7x57, 280, 7 WSM, or maybe even the new 28 Nosler! Hand loading can keep the velocities sane for shorter range deer engagements.

As for whether or not .300 WM will destroy a deer. Speed kills, and bruises. The bruising you get from fast bullets that open quickly ruins meat. Load reduced velocity ammo for hunting stuff at short range and you're good to go.

Though like I said, I'm not a long ranger shooter, I just read the forum.
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I would pick a bullet first that way you can build around it for your various pursuits.
I like the heavy 7mm bullets so I would go with a proven one like the 180 grain Berger Hunting VLD.
From there I would pick a chambering that can push it around 3000 fps without a lot of throat erosion.
Next since weight isn't an issue I would go 28 inches as it gives more velocity at no additional cost and one can always cut it down.
On the action I would go with a Remington 700 long action so the bullets can be seated correctly and a magazine can still be used.
Trigger would be a Jewell.
Base would have 30 moa built into it like a Ken Farrel.
Rings would be Burris XTR Signature rings.
The stock will get me in trouble but I shoot and hunt mainly long distance so it would be a McMillan Hunter Benchrest stock.
Action $425
Barrel $340
Trigger $200
Stock $500
Assembly $$$
Chambering 7 RSAUM.
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Or would it be practical since I'm new to buy a Remington 5R for $1200 and put a new trigger and some good glass on it?

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/p...+BlkGray+Blued
Or maybe this with new trigger and some good glass.
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Or maybe this with new trigger and some good glass.
That one looks good…even better with a jewell trigger and some good glass…is the remington 5r just a marketing thing for the most part? I read that the barrels used are the ones that didn't cut it for the M40 rifle?
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Or would it be practical since I'm new to buy a Remington 5R for $1200 and put a new trigger and some good glass on it?
That's a very good option.
Another would be a 700P.
Either could be rebarrelled later into a 6.5mm if you wanted to get more serious about longrange shooting and feel that the 308 is holding you back.
The 308 will be an excellent all purpose hunting and target shooting cartridge.
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is the remington 5r just a marketing thing for the most part?
You can call it whatever you want, but the 24" barrelled 308 model 29663's are the most accurate factory rifles you can get without going to a full custom build.
They routinely shoot 1/3 moa groups with factory match ammo and better with handloads.
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You can call it whatever you want, but the 24" barrelled 308 model 29663's are the most accurate factory rifles you can get without going to a full custom build.
They routinely shoot 1/3 moa groups with factory match ammo and better with handloads.
Thanks for the info Randall, I was going to pick your brain about it at my next appointment. How hard are these to find? Am I going to have trouble finding a shop that can order one?
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That one looks good…even better with a jewell trigger and some good glass…is the remington 5r just a marketing thing for the most part? I read that the barrels used are the ones that didn't cut it for the M40 rifle?
I posted that one because you said you were new and I figured you'd be re-barreling soon anyway.
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You can call it whatever you want, but the 24" barrelled 308 model 29663's are the most accurate factory rifles you can get without going to a full custom build.
They routinely shoot 1/3 moa groups with factory match ammo and better with handloads.
If your going to be hunting paper at long range 308 will be fine. Hunting Elk you'll want to limit your range with the 308.
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Just crusing snipershide I saw this that may be a good match for a crossover target / elk hunter:

http://www.scout.com/military/sniper...llan-benchmark
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6.5 Creedmore (if you want accuracy without reloading). It's a little more shot-placement sensitive than 300WM on Elk, but it does the job fine. Defiance Deviant Hunter action, PROOF Research barrel (steel or carbon fiber depending on budget), and Magpul Hunter 700 stock. The stock is only $250 but it's actually a phenomenal stock and viable for long-range precision shooting.
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Hiking in the hills with weight is a cake walk for me so I am not worried about rifle weight if it will perform better…many seasons as a hotshot for the USFS
I get that you are making the point that you are comfortable humping gear but think about it this way. A remington 700 CDL in 7mm Mag weighs less than my competition long range barrel, not less than my rifle, less than the barrel. We aren't talking oz or grams here we are talking humping an extra >10lbs, which isn't that big of a deal until you are coming home with meat.

Also consider that a used 700 CDL is your +-$300, so a specific hunting rifle doesn't appreciably affect your budget but it saves you 10lbs.
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You can get one of Remingtons new Long Range model. They are available in 7mm Mag which is an excellent elk round I have been told.

Plan ahead and build something that will shoot Lead Free ammo well. Barnes TTSX are my favorite so far, but Ive never shot an elk. Soon in CA you wont be able to shoot a spider with a leaded bullet.
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Well it's coming down to...

Remington 700 5R series 24" 308 ($1300)
Remington 700 Long Range M40 26" 7mm mag ($800)

...and customizing from there
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then get the cheap one since you'll be customizing anyways. Who cares what the base is if you'll be doing it up.
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Customizing = trigger, bipod, scope, rings, sling..

Keeping the barrel and action as is for now
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If those are your two choices get the 7 mag.
The 308 is a good blacktail gun to 350 yards but it isn't a elk gun at all.
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I was in your same shoes/budget like a month or 2 ago. Ended up with a 5r. Love it. Like Randall said, probably one of if not the best factory rifle out there. I'm holding steady half moa now(other people have shot it better since I'm new and I suck), with factory match after all the add ons. The trigger upgrade is what really made it shine.
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