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California 2nd Amend. Political Discussion & Activism Discuss gun rights activism and 2A related political topics here. All advice given is NOT legal counsel. |
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2013 is going to be rough year for Gun Owners
Good Morning Everyone
2013 is going to be rough year for Gun Owners; this is going to be a tough fight an emotional fight and a fight that we all need to be involved in. As this fight begins to take off, our community must endeavor to remain positive and aggressive while being respectful of the efforts of other gun owners. We need to remember that we will not agree with everyone’s efforts to preserve our Second Amendment right and others will not agree with our efforts, but the disagreement does not mean we should set aside respect. We need to remain respectful in our opinions and comments, we need to stand up and be heard, stand up and lead but please be positive when offering a differing opinion.
Lead with a strong positive hand, a thinking mind and open ears, we need to encourage as many as possible to get into this fight. Cya on the trail folks
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Donations to the NRA, SAF, CGF, CRPA are going to be much needed. I'll be donating varying in that order to each organization.
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I agree. Some very key players have been fighting each other, and it needs to stop.
Regards, SwissFluCase
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Forget about 2013, we have at least an election cycle or two to try to make it through.
The fabric of America has changed, I'm not sure how you can change it back, when all the young people are being indoctrinated at an increasing level. Quote:
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I was indoctrinated. Now look at me. You can't fool a a kid forever.
Regards, SwissFluCase
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Now, I'm not claiming that your conversion had anything to do with the internet, but there is no denying that, politically speaking, the internet has been a game changer. In addition, I would suspect that 85%+ of people who grow up in a certain political mindset, stay that way for life. Hell, there are Germans & Russians around today that still very much like the idea of Nazism and Stalinism.
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People are changed one by one. They make decisiions now and do not realize the consequences of their actions. Wit the law possibly coming to be that revolvers are going to be the only thing available for personal defense, people will lean that 6 is not alway enough especially when there may be more than one intruders. these people will realize there errors at some point, hopefully it will not be too late. That is asking alot.
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Obama the "furer" just signed 24 new laws on National TV with kids.
Just like Sadam does on TV... Kids with the leader, also Chaves.... does this too... I sent Obama 326 business books in his 1st 6 months thinking he would use the info to fix the economy and not mess up jobs in America. I think now we are being "HURT" more by Obama than Osama! Gents, should I request my 326 hard back books be returned....
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Don't be too sure about that. Could states unban them?
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NY just passed a gun law and of course our legislators won't be out-done by NY!
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Nothing was banned by executive order. Read them. Every item pertaining to assualt weapons and magazines was passed to Congress.
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I have zero issue with background checks on all private transactions (we already do that). I have no problem with attempts to keep guns out of the hands of crazy people and criminals (we already ask those questions on our DROS forms). If these damn mass shootings can stop, we can all keep going as we have been. Every time kids are murdered with any type of gun, it will re-open the issue. Solution: tighter background checks in every state for both retail and private sales. If they don't like it - too damn bad...we already have to do it and I'm fine with it. Then we won't ever have to hear about magazine capacity or weapon types again. |
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right on. i'm taking two of my left-leaning friends to the range this weekend. the best way to gain support is to be a respectful and logical leader.
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2013 is going to be a tough year for gun enthusiasts? Looks pretty tough to me and it's only January. Sigh.
Good information and let's stay positive.
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Capitulate
I think that we have to worry about capitulation. They keep pushing the rhetoric and the Overton Window encroaches on our last vestiges of freedom. Let's remember, every American has a God given right to keep and bear arms and every American has the right to defend themselves.
The right to keep and bear arms and the right to defend yourself are two rights that oppose each other. The balance of power that makes sure that guns are used for justice, under penalty of retaliation from other equally armed citizens. No government enforcement necessary. |
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You are right on!!!
One Prime effort of the Calguns Sports Shooting Association is to get "New Shooters" out to the range. Get them out there, get talking and get everyone empowered. The President and his administration can over run a single person but they can't overrun our collective community. Before April 19th 1775 less then one third of the Colonials wanted Independence from the King and within that one third they had spys and conservatives and moderates and radicals. What made them a force was they were a community focused against a common enemy with the prize of Independence. We need to build our community up and up and up again and again, we need to raise up the awareness so that they know their Freedoms are being attacked. Not with reason or common sense but with knee jerk emotion.
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Losing the war of the airways
I think one of our biggest problem now is public perception. The media is bombarding the public with the "assault weapon" term. The media is leading the general public to believe the AR 15's are some how more powerful than they any other semi auto .223 rifle.
I was talking with a very pro gun women the other day at work. She is highly supportive of the second amendment and has first hand experience in defending herself when she shot and killed an intruder. During our conversation she was voicing her concern that she may be disarmed by the new laws. She said that we should not have assault weapons though. She said, no one hunts with AR 15's. I told her that I did, and in fact hunted quite often with mine. I told her I hunted coyotes and deer. Wide eyed she said, doesn't it blow the deer apart? I laughed and said no. It is actually a very small caliber for deer and I have to be very accurate to kill deer with it. She then asked how that could be when I "sprayed" the deer with all the bullets when I pulled the trigger. I had to explain that the gun is semi automatic and fired only one round with each pull of the trigger. After We talked for a while she explained that she had been misled by the news because the news was telling her that these guns shoot huge bullets that blow thing apart in full automatic fire. This is my point. If someone who is extremely pro gun, supports the second amendment, is concerned about being disarmed and unable to protect herself and has actually used her firearm to defend herself, is totally misled by the bias in the media. Then what chance does the average, non gun owning person have of getting the correct information to come to a rational decision on the issue. We need to somehow come up with a national education campaign to educate and get the facts out. We need to create "commercials" showing simple to understand examples comparing weapons so the public can be correctly informed. We need to bombard the airways with examples of the lives saved by the responsible ownership and use of firearms.
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Great posts everyone. I personally ended all my friendships with anti-2A friends and don't regret it one bit. They can go on their ignorant Mary way. There is no reasoning with die hard anti-gun morons, but I did convert some. They are now looking into purchasing thier own firearms and joining us in this fight. A few more NRA members on its way! Cheers
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We can also make sure to teach our own children about the indoctrinations that are ongoing. Some may be addle-minded enough to fall for the magic show, but there will always be enough who see the man behind the curtain.
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Nice post and it definitely needed to be a sticky.
I have a similar situation to Arrowhunter on how people who are misinformed can easily be confused. I showed a family member my recent semi auto AR purchase and her remark was “Don’t you already have one of those?” (referring to a Black 12ga I own) Then she asked “Well does this one have a magazine?” Yes, but did you know the 12ga holds just as many?…Her response..“Oh…..so why is everyone talking about that one?”……………… Alright back on topic. I’ve been lurking here a lot lately and if you are a new guy reading this try to follow the lead and donate to the groups mentioned in this topic. Even if it’s just 5 bucks. You guys can skip the fast food for a day to protect your rights and get involved. If nothing comes out of it then we succeeded. If something does happen at least you tried to be part of the solution instead of rolling over and complaining on the net. If you cant hit your pocket book at all then at a minimum try to dedicate a day to taking someone who isnt in "The Know" on guns to the range like others have mentioned. Pass out/post flyers for positive events or showing your prescence at peaceful rallys or local lawmakers Q&A sessions. I believe every little bit helps. Just do it respectfully and in good taste. Last edited by pitbull30; 01-22-2013 at 11:35 AM.. |
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I notice throughout discussions the strong disagreements people have, well intentioned or not. We must find that point of common ground that we can build on to keep putting out one loud voice. It usually wouldnt matter, so many different opinions about the same thing but i feel we're in a war and soldiers cant win if all are shooting in different directions.
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The guns have to go so the USA will fall in line with the new world order it is must. Then we will be able to worship the beast.
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Council Meeting Observations: CALGUNS-CGSSA "Glendale Gun Show/Glendale City Council" Observations
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I agree. I am working on a thought to provide some suggestions. You hit a hot button so we need to work on that communication concept. Keep up the conversation
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i know when that happens the discussion is over since they do not have a leg to stand in their argument.
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http://govnews.ca.gov/gov39mail/mail.php Thank your neighbor and fellow gun owners for passing Prop 63. For that gun control is a winning legislative agenda. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6Dj8tdSC1A contact the governor https://govnews.ca.gov/gov39mail/mail.php In Memory of Spc Torres May 5th 2006 al-Hillah, Iraq. I will miss you my friend. NRA Life Member. Last edited by pennys dad; 01-23-2013 at 5:24 PM.. |
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Saw this today:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/...ming-thursday/
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