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Old 10-19-2017, 12:59 AM
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The LEO and Discussion of Faith sub forum have their own "safe space" of sorts.

CG is an echo chamber of right and far right ideals, with left and moderate sprinkled around here and there. Looking to cut out a niche for Liberals really wont take hold here due to that.
Supposedly, neither LEOs nor the faithful are out to rob us of our 2A rights like the Democrats are.

That being said, I'd be cool with a centrist/independent/etc. unrestricted sub-forum since they aren't explicitly out to end the 2nd Amendment like the left is.

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I don't think we need a special subforum for moderate to left political discussion. But OP's post - and the insulting responses - illustrate a problem that the pro-2A community in CA has. We're outnumbered in this state. If we want to preserve our rights, we need more pro-2A people voted into government. To do that, we need to find common ground with people who don't vote like us, and then work to expand that common ground and get more votes for candidates we like. Yes, the pro-2A communities in the rest of the country don't have to do this, because most of the voters in those communities are voting for pro-2A candidates. Yes, it means listening to views you disagree with and treating them with some degree of respect instead of just dismissing them. Yes, it kind of sucks. But that's how you get the 2nd in the entire state of CA. Your other real option for statewide 2A rights is to move to another state.

I don't know about the rest of you, but CA is my home. I was born and raised here. Despite the politics, I love this state and I do not want to leave. I will stand my ground, and fight for my rights one person at a time by simply talking to them with respect, for as long as I can see there is a sliver of a chance for this state.
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Old 10-20-2017, 5:24 AM
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The only "positive" thing I might see in the controversies that are bound to ensue is a better understanding of the real world of a possible liberal gun owner....What we see and hear on the "news" is so tainted and so slante it's not even a valid read..

I have an acquaintance that is a shooter and a gun owner...he is "left leaning" and his thoughts are far different than the crap you hear spewed on places like CNN and MSNBC..he has a fair number of guns and ammo so would be catagorized by his own folks as an arsenal and ammo hoarder...I don't know his own personal views on that.....so if there were a way someone could present a left slanted view without trying to tear Trump a new one or to defend the lying and ultra left views of a Fredrica Wilson or Chuckie Shumer...maybe some dialog could be raised...but I doubt it would be long before the hard line sides get drawn and back to same old, same old.
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Typical CG response. . . .how cliched.

You mean just like if you play in the NFL and kneel during the national anthem to protest racism and racial injustice, that's not what you're doing. Us scared old white cranks, we will tell you what you are doing. You're saying you hate America. You're disrespecting the troops. That's what you're doing. This way we can pretend none of these issues really exist. Just as OP said, there's no conversation allowed to happen here.

Or all these folks. lots of 'em here on CG, who say they love America and proceed to wrap them selves in bellicose false patriotism. Yet reading their posts, it rapidly becomes clear they sure hate many, if not most Americans.

CG is largely a right wing echo chamber. Any dissent gets immediately shouted down.

OP, you'll be pleased to hear such a forum already exists. Just not among the tin foil hat crowd here on CG. You're plight is exactly why the Liberal Gun Club exists. Consider joining. But the Forum on the LGC website does not require you join, merely that you enroll in the forum just as you did here.

Ignore Mayor McAmerican Idiot, who with nearly five thousand posts in less than four years clearly needs to get out more. Please join us. We're happy to talk firearms and not threaten you or your loved ones if you disagree with us. I have had that happen to me here on CG on several occasions.
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This is his second post on this subject. I was the first to reply to the first one. Called him a snowflake looking for a safe space and recommended he move to Berkley. That thread got deleted. I'd also suggest if he doesn't want any flack in his life he better not let democrats or libs know he owns guns. They'll take away his sissy card.
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OP, if you are "left leaning" then you are ANTI-GUN. PERIOD. END OF STORY. Your votes support those who would take away all guns.

ANTI-GUN voters who come to a GUN FORUM and expect anything but animosity are riders of the short bus.
I am pro-2A. almost without reserve. I don't support any measure of confiscation, but I DO think it's completely unreasonable to stick your head in the sand and shout that funding research on gun violence is infringement, when it usually ends up taking our side. I have no problem mandating classes (for first time owners) and background checks as long as they do not impose an undue burden on firearm owners. Magazine capacity restrictions, arbitrary feature bans, etc. are all ridiculous.

What I don't like is the sentiment that all left-leaning people are stupid, unreasonable, "libtards". It's perfectly fine to post about LGBT people in the news on this forum, but anyone who doesn't bash them gets bashed for it. This forum loves to shout "MYOB, leave us alone" as long as your business aligns with a general right wing platform, but God forbid someone who you won't ever meet does something you personally believe is wrong. You're libertarian until you feel you have a moral duty to correct someone else, which makes you just as wrong as those you paint as your enemy.

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I don't think we need a special subforum for moderate to left political discussion. But OP's post - and the insulting responses - illustrate a problem that the pro-2A community in CA has. We're outnumbered in this state. If we want to preserve our rights, we need more pro-2A people voted into government. To do that, we need to find common ground with people who don't vote like us, and then work to expand that common ground and get more votes for candidates we like. Yes, the pro-2A communities in the rest of the country don't have to do this, because most of the voters in those communities are voting for pro-2A candidates. Yes, it means listening to views you disagree with and treating them with some degree of respect instead of just dismissing them. Yes, it kind of sucks. But that's how you get the 2nd in the entire state of CA. Your other real option for statewide 2A rights is to move to another state.

I don't know about the rest of you, but CA is my home. I was born and raised here. Despite the politics, I love this state and I do not want to leave. I will stand my ground, and fight for my rights one person at a time by simply talking to them with respect, for as long as I can see there is a sliver of a chance for this state.
thank you for stating this so eloquently.
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So, you need a safe space then?

1. If you didn't/don't talk about restrictions on 2A or about politics nobody would know.

2. You must be a lefty because you think you are a victim, and thus, obviously oppressed by the more conservative people on the forum.

3. If you can have a safe space for progressives, then I request one for white conservative heterosexuals males who are constantly bombarded by left wing fools calling us racist, misogynistic, homophobic, etc., while pushing their ignorant Post-Modern Neo-Marxist BS.

Instead, why don't you just grow up and deal with it.

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Typical CG response. . . .how cliched.

You mean just like if you play in the NFL and kneel during the national anthem to protest racism and racial injustice, that's not what you're doing. Us scared old white cranks, we will tell you what you are doing. You're saying you hate America. You're disrespecting the troops. That's what you're doing. This way we can pretend none of these issues really exist. Just as OP said, there's no conversation allowed to happen here.

Or all these folks. lots of 'em here on CG, who say they love America and proceed to wrap them selves in bellicose false patriotism. Yet reading their posts, it rapidly becomes clear they sure hate many, if not most Americans.

CG is largely a right wing echo chamber. Any dissent gets immediately shouted down.

OP, you'll be pleased to hear such a forum already exists. Just not among the tin foil hat crowd here on CG. You're plight is exactly why the Liberal Gun Club exists. Consider joining. But the Forum on the LGC website does not require you join, merely that you enroll in the forum just as you did here.

Ignore Mayor McAmerican Idiot, who with nearly five thousand posts in less than four years clearly needs to get out more. Please join us. We're happy to talk firearms and not threaten you or your loved ones if you disagree with us. I have had that happen to me here on CG on several occasions.
Doing ANYTHING during the anthem IS disrespectful. That's why it's done then as opposed to after the anthem.

Nobody gives a crap about spoiled millionaires pretending to care about social justice, just don't do it during the anthem.

Oh, and the white cranks quip is racist. and you know it is.
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I want a left of center safe space on a way right firearm forum. And you didn't think you would get the responses that you have ? Classic.
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I don't think we need a special subforum for moderate to left political discussion. But OP's post - and the insulting responses - illustrate a problem that the pro-2A community in CA has. We're outnumbered in this state. If we want to preserve our rights, we need more pro-2A people voted into government. To do that, we need to find common ground with people who don't vote like us, and then work to expand that common ground and get more votes for candidates we like. Yes, the pro-2A communities in the rest of the country don't have to do this, because most of the voters in those communities are voting for pro-2A candidates. Yes, it means listening to views you disagree with and treating them with some degree of respect instead of just dismissing them. Yes, it kind of sucks. But that's how you get the 2nd in the entire state of CA. Your other real option for statewide 2A rights is to move to another state.

I don't know about the rest of you, but CA is my home. I was born and raised here. Despite the politics, I love this state and I do not want to leave. I will stand my ground, and fight for my rights one person at a time by simply talking to them with respect, for as long as I can see there is a sliver of a chance for this state.


This. I was basically going to post this. But you beat me to it. It's easy, but ineffective to make enemies. What we need is to make friends, and share our humanity with them. I have plenty of liberal friends and colleagues who have either expressed interest or outright asked for me to educate them on 2A issues and firearms safety. Why? Because I listened to their concerns. Because I created a "safe space" in which we could have a genuine dialogue, and discuss our differing view points without fear of either of us mocking each other. Because we took the time to build a common foundation of respect. Because I know that when it comes down to it, they aren't actually stupid, and therefore they must have some reason for holding the beliefs they do (even if that reason is based in part on an effective misinformation campaign), and it might do both of us some good to genuinely consider "what if the other side knows something that I don't?" And you know what? I'm every interaction, we both learned some things. And I'm not getting rid of my guns. And some of them even expressed an interest in shooting with me. Because I was no longer a "gun nut who cares more about shooting things than people's safety". Because I'm a genuine and loving person first, and a gun owner second.


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These liberasts don't understand one simple thing: the 2A is not a separate forum from the rest of United Stated of America way of life! It's integrated in to everything else and the rest of everything else. Without it - don't discuss United States at all. Need a safe space? Go back to your parent's home basement in berkley.
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These liberasts don't understand one simple thing: the 2A is not a separate forum from the rest of United Stated of America way of life! It's integrated in to everything else and the rest of everything else. Without it - don't discuss United States at all. Need a safe space? Go back to your parent's home basement in berkley.


I find it funny the assumptions you make about liberals. I was born in Oregon (formerly? a free state). I grew up in the crappy part of Sacramento. Only now that I'm in graduate school am I in the Bay Area, and not Berkeley. Do I need a safe space? Not particularly, because I'm not afraid to stand up to rude people. I don't think anyone should need a safe space... Because I was raised to respect people even when I disagree with their points of view. I do acknowledge that words have the power to cause a great deal of pain though, especially when used carelessly and without adequate knowledge. So I find the vitriol which is openly expressed by many towards people who are different from them, to be both distasteful and immature.

With that said, go ahead and keep grouping people together because that is convenient for you to attack. I'm sure you don't mind when people clump you in with neo-nazis and racists. Actually I'm pretty sure you do mind, because I'd wager that you don't identify as either.

Maybe you'll stop and consider how you like to be treated next time you post, before assuming every liberal-leaning person is a spoiled silver-spoon child who's never done a hard day's work, or someone who expects everything to be paid for by the government. I happen to know for a fact that the OP is a hard working self-supporting freedom-loving tax-paying American, and I think your post and the underlying assumptions are out of line.

Just because we think social issues are important doesn't mean we don't value the right that protects all others.


To the OP's point, I think an unrestricted sub forum is the best way to get a balanced discussion going, and try to find the most common ground on which to discuss ways that we can work together to increase firearm safety and build community.

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I don't know about the rest of you, but CA is my home. I was born and raised here. Despite the politics, I love this state and I do not want to leave. I will stand my ground, and fight for my rights one person at a time by simply talking to them with respect, for as long as I can see there is a sliver of a chance for this state.
A lot of us were born and raised in California and a lot of us have left to find out that there are a dozen states that are better than California in every way possible from not taxing military or federal government pensions to no sales tax to no state income tax and that’s just for starters. The list goes on and on.

I would highly recommend venturing out into the real world and experience other places and cities. I once though exactly like you and once I did I look at California totally different now. Let me know if you want me to give you a list of better places to live or raise a family.

The only thing California has going for it and particularly Southern California is the weather, that’s it, end of story AND I am from there.

Aside from that and back to the OP... we don’t need another forum, especially not a gun owning democrat forum.
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I find it funny the assumptions you make about liberals. I was born in Oregon (formerly? a free state). I grew up in the crappy part of Sacramento. Only now that I'm in graduate school am I in the Bay Area, and not Berkeley. Do I need a safe space? Not particularly, because I'm not afraid to stand up to rude people. I don't think anyone should need a safe space... Because I was raised to respect people even when I disagree with their points of view. I do acknowledge that words have the power to cause a great deal of pain though, especially when used carelessly and without adequate knowledge. So I find the vitriol which is openly expressed by many towards people who are different from them, to be both distasteful and immature.

With that said, go ahead and keep grouping people together because that is convenient for you to attack. I'm sure you don't mind when people clump you in with neo-nazis and racists. Actually I'm pretty sure you do mind, because I'd wager that you don't identify as either.

Maybe you'll stop and consider how you like to be treated next time you post, before assuming every liberal-leaning person is a spoiled silver-spoon child who's never done a hard day's work, or someone who expects everything to be paid for by the government. I happen to know for a fact that the OP is a hard working self-supporting freedom-loving tax-paying American, and I think your post and the underlying assumptions are out of line.

Just because we think social issues are important doesn't mean we don't value the right that protects all others.


To the OP's point, I think an unrestricted sub forum is the best way to get a balanced discussion going, and try to find the most common ground on which to discuss ways that we can work together to increase firearm safety and build community.

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This is a firearm enthusiast board.

Your political views line up with the people who are trying to outlaw firearms.

Period. There IS no way to work together until you realize that your non firearms political leanings are incompatible with the second amendment, particularly here in california. Every vote you cast and dollar you contribute to candidates who share your social causes undercuts my right to own firearms.

It’s really that simple.

It is not some kumbaya reach across the aisle deal, on second amendment issues, you are with me or against me, and everything you write indicates you are against me.
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Heres the problem.

This is a firearm enthusiast board.

Your political views line up with the people who are trying to outlaw firearms.

Period. There IS no way to work together until you realize that your non firearms political leanings are incompatible with the second amendment, particularly here in california. Every vote you cast and dollar you contribute to candidates who share your social causes undercuts my right to own firearms.

Its really that simple.

It is not some kumbaya reach across the aisle deal, on second a,ned,ent issues, you are with me or against me, and everything you write indicates you are against me.
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Heres the problem.

This is a firearm enthusiast board.

Your political views line up with the people who are trying to outlaw firearms.

Period. There IS no way to work together until you realize that your non firearms political leanings are incompatible with the second amendment, particularly here in california. Every vote you cast and dollar you contribute to candidates who share your social causes undercuts my right to own firearms.

Its really that simple.

It is not some kumbaya reach across the aisle deal, on second amendment issues, you are with me or against me, and everything you write indicates you are against me.
Exactly. This issue is now, has always been, and always will be purely binary, especially in California. One either supports this right or they don't. One doesn't get to say they voted for and, fully support, someone who curtailed or eliminated our ability to exercise a CIVIL RIGHT and still get to say they support that right. It's not just disingenuous, it's a flat out lie. Vote for a democrat in California and feel free to say you support abortion, say you support welfare, say you support bathrooms for trans-whatever-ism, but dont for one second say you support the 2nd Amendment, because you don't. If you supported the 2nd Amendment, you'd hold those same politicians accountable for it. But you don't. You continue to vote for them, you don't push alternative pro -2A candidates, and you are guilty of complicity for it.

And they still wonder why we hold them in complete contempt....
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Heres the problem.

This is a firearm enthusiast board.

Your political views line up with the people who are trying to outlaw firearms.

Period. There IS no way to work together until you realize that your non firearms political leanings are incompatible with the second amendment, particularly here in california. Every vote you cast and dollar you contribute to candidates who share your social causes undercuts my right to own firearms.

Its really that simple.

It is not some kumbaya reach across the aisle deal, on second amendment issues, you are with me or against me, and everything you write indicates you are against me.
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Exactly. This issue is now, has always been, and always will be purely binary, especially in California. One either supports this right or they don't. One doesn't get to say they voted for and, fully support, someone who curtailed or eliminated our ability to exercise a CIVIL RIGHT and still get to say they support that right. It's not just disingenuous, it's a flat out lie. Vote for a democrat in California and feel free to say you support abortion, say you support welfare, say you support bathrooms for trans-whatever-ism, but dont for one second say you support the 2nd Amendment, because you don't. If you supported the 2nd Amendment, you'd hold those same politicians accountable for it. But you don't. You continue to vote for them, you don't push alternative pro -2A candidates, and you are guilty of complicity for it.



And they still wonder why we hold them in complete contempt....





I fundamentally disagree with your reductionist opinion of my beliefs. As a centrist, I hold some beliefs that are more left (I'll defend the LGBTQ community with my life, regardless of who's standing against them, the drug war is a war on people of color and the poor, and Healthcare costs less to maintain than to pay bills on), and some beliefs found more on the right (gun ownership--by properly trained law-abiding people, fiscal responsibility, smallish government, and uninvolved more than necessary government). So who do I vote for? Unlike many people(either here or in the liberal echo chambers), I look for the nuance in people AND political candidates. Nobody is all bad. Even Dianne Feinstein cares about people in some twisted and misguided way. Will I ever vote for her? No. Of course not. But as soon as someone says anything remotely to the left, they are thrown together with s bunch of left-wing gun-grabbing radicals. I want to have a respectful conversation about finding common ground and I'm suddenly the enemy because I think background checks and bans for people who beat their partners and kids is reasonable. Those aren't "non-firearms political leanings" those are TRUE "pro family" values.

If you want to be my enemy, I can't change how you see me. But I'm not. Just because I'm left-leaning doesn't mean we have no common ground, and tak like that is exactly why our rights are threatened to begin with. Nobody on the other side is given the opportunity to see you as anything more than a gun-toting vigilante cowboy.

I've voted for any republican I could stomach, and donated quite a bit of my money to FPC, Calguns foundation, and other 2A groups. I don't fund Democrat's. I speak with my money and I'm not afraid of being silenced by you.


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I fundamentally disagree with your reductionist opinion of my beliefs. As a centrist, I hold some beliefs that are more left (I'll defend the LGBTQ community with my life, regardless of who's standing against them, the drug war is a war on people of color and the poor, and Healthcare costs less to maintain than to pay bills on), and some beliefs found more on the right (gun ownership--by properly trained law-abiding people, fiscal responsibility, smallish government, and uninvolved more than necessary government). So who do I vote for? Unlike many people(either here or in the liberal echo chambers), I look for the nuance in people AND political candidates. Nobody is all bad. Even Dianne Feinstein cares about people in some twisted and misguided way. Will I ever vote for her? No. Of course not. But as soon as someone says anything remotely to the left, they are thrown together with s bunch of left-wing gun-grabbing radicals. I want to have a respectful conversation about finding common ground and I'm suddenly the enemy because I think background checks and bans for people who beat their partners and kids is reasonable. Those aren't "non-firearms political leanings" those are TRUE "pro family" values.

If you want to be my enemy, I can't change how you see me. But I'm not. Just because I'm left-leaning doesn't mean we have no common ground, and tak like that is exactly why our rights are threatened to begin with. Nobody on the other side is given the opportunity to see you as anything more than a gun-toting vigilante cowboy.

I've voted for any republican I could stomach, and donated quite a bit of my money to FPC, Calguns foundation, and other 2A groups. I don't fund Democrat's. I speak with my money and I'm not afraid of being silenced by you.


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I see this post as someone trying to pry themselves into a round hole when they are square. And expecting everyone else not to notice everything crumbling around it.


You're entitled to see things as you will. I will continue to attempt to give you the respect of not assuming that you're a two dimensional woman-hating racist nazi, simply because you don't agree with my beliefs and cannot reconcile the nuance of my beliefs. I have learned not to expect the same courtesy, though if you change your mind, it would be welcomed with open arms.


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At least you toe the liberal b.u.t.t hurt agenda.
It's simply amazing what liberals call respect.
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At least you toe the liberal b.u.t.t hurt agenda.


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I fundamentally disagree with your reductionist opinion of my beliefs. As a centrist, I hold some beliefs that are more left (I'll defend the LGBTQ community with my life, regardless of who's standing against them, the drug war is a war on people of color and the poor, and Healthcare costs less to maintain than to pay bills on), and some beliefs found more on the right (gun ownership--by properly trained law-abiding people, fiscal responsibility, smallish government, and uninvolved more than necessary government). So who do I vote for? Unlike many people(either here or in the liberal echo chambers), I look for the nuance in people AND political candidates. Nobody is all bad. Even Dianne Feinstein cares about people in some twisted and misguided way. Will I ever vote for her? No. Of course not. But as soon as someone says anything remotely to the left, they are thrown together with s bunch of left-wing gun-grabbing radicals. I want to have a respectful conversation about finding common ground and I'm suddenly the enemy because I think background checks and bans for people who beat their partners and kids is reasonable. Those aren't "non-firearms political leanings" those are TRUE "pro family" values.

If you want to be my enemy, I can't change how you see me. But I'm not. Just because I'm left-leaning doesn't mean we have no common ground, and tak like that is exactly why our rights are threatened to begin with. Nobody on the other side is given the opportunity to see you as anything more than a gun-toting vigilante cowboy.

I've voted for any republican I could stomach, and donated quite a bit of my money to FPC, Calguns foundation, and other 2A groups. I don't fund Democrat's. I speak with my money and I'm not afraid of being silenced by you.


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That's as sincere as someone professing to be for reproductive freedom rights but voting for religious fundamentalist candidates, because "socially, I agree with them"

Or saying you are for open borders but voting for closed border candidates.

Say whatever helps you sleep at night, but you support a party and candidates who are against my civil rights. Your support helps to restrict and ban firearms.

To me, you ARE the enemy in this respect. I wouldn't insult you at a party or move away if you were my neighbor, but we are on a firearm board and you directly contribute to the erosion of my civil rights in this arena.

Face it, this is a hobby to you, nothing more.
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That's as sincere as someone professing to be for reproductive freedom rights but voting for religious fundamentalist candidates, because "socially, I agree with them"

Or saying you are for open borders but voting for closed border candidates.

Say whatever helps you sleep at night, but you support a party and candidates who are against my civil rights. Your support helps to restrict and ban firearms.

To me, you ARE the enemy in this respect. I wouldn't insult you at a party or move away if you were my neighbor, but we are on a firearm board and you directly contribute to the erosion of my civil rights in this arena.

Face it, this is a hobby to you, nothing more.

ETA, yes, its is entirely binary here and now. This isn't like some Midwest state where the democrat candidate hunts every year and isn't actively trying to ban firearms.

This is a unique political landscape where demos control everything and they are actively banning everything they think they can.

And you support it.
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I rarely agree with your ideology but you do have a valid point here.


Is there any way to make a place (non restricted) where people on both sides could work together to find balanced solutions, and really hear the motivations and perspectives of each other?


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explain the dichotomy between "liberal" claims that Voter ID laws are inherently racist, but requiring ID and background checks to purchase a gun are not?
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Explain why self-identifying as one group means you believe everything that all people from that group believe?
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Why as a liberal supporting person, does anyone feel the NEED and Demand that for schools as an example, that an a non union apprentice be paid $97 per hour..?this is what liberalism is supporting

But wait, I thought the schools needed money??

Pretty please continue to align yourselves with this statement
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Oh hey the uproar. Think of the children and the debt we can place on them to fund the Union lobby needs!
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Explain why self-identifying as one group means you believe everything that all people from that group believe?
if you don't believe voter ID laws are racist then you can simply say so.
notice the "" around the word "liberal"?
i have never heard or read a "conservative" viewpoint that labeled voter ID laws as inherently racist, therefore i perceive this to be a "liberal" thing.

i am politically agnostic and treat each issue separately.
liberals hate me because i want border security (having lived for decades in the kind of immigrant communities that are targeted by alien criminals).
conservatives hate me because i am pro-choice
liberals hate me because i am not opposed to the death penalty.
conservatives hate me because i am pro amnesty (again, if we can get secure borders)

in any case, I don't see the problem with me asking if "anyone" wants to:

explain the dichotomy between "liberal" claims that Voter ID laws are inherently racist, but requiring ID and background checks to purchase a gun are not.

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I don't need to. Because voter IDs aren't racist... I never understood that either. And background checks should be required for gun purchasers...


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I may be wrong, but I have a feeling that if you joined or have already joined an alternate forum where those with moderate to liberal viewpoints talk politics and you stated that you own firearms and support the 2nd amendment, the majority of them would turn on you in a heartbeat. I wouldn't join a right to life forum and expect people to be cordial if i mentioned that I spent my weekend at the gunrange.
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I may be wrong, but I have a feeling that if you joined or have already joined an alternate forum where those with moderate to liberal viewpoints talk politics and you stated that you own firearms and support the 2nd amendment, the majority of them would turn on you in a heartbeat. I wouldn't join a right to life forum and expect people to be cordial if i mentioned that I spent my weekend at the gunrange.
Why would we not want people who advocate for the 2A be members here?

Someone may be "liberal" for MANY reasons outside of the 2A.
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Someone may be "liberal" for MANY reasons outside of the 2A.
Because no one who votes for the modern democrat ticket can truly be pro 2A.
Thru can say they are, but a vote for a democrat is always s vote for gun restriction/confiscation.
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I may be wrong, but I have a feeling that if you joined or have already joined an alternate forum where those with moderate to liberal viewpoints talk politics and you stated that you own firearms and support the 2nd amendment, the majority of them would turn on you in a heartbeat. I wouldn't join a right to life forum and expect people to be cordial if i mentioned that I spent my weekend at the gunrange.


So I have found a lot of hostility among people on the left. But honestly it depends on my presentation. I've never had a person stop being my friend because I own firearms. It starts with a relationship and them knowing me as a trustworthy and loving person. Then they learn that I have guns and that I practice semi-regularly. And they are shocked. But they are generally willing to hear me out, and many of them are interested in becoming educated. Not much luck here. I wouldn't expect much luck online from either side. But in person I have hope for both sides.


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