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Old 01-10-2018, 4:57 PM
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I have a home in AZ and also a home in Ca. I have been searching for an off roster handgun here in Ca. and have not had any luck. Is there any way for me to purchase this firearm in AZ. and have it shipped back here to Ca and be within legal guidelines in the state of Ca. ???
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I have a home in AZ and also a home in Ca. I have been searching for an off roster handgun here in Ca. and have not had any luck. Is there any way for me to purchase this firearm in AZ. and have it shipped back here to Ca and be within legal guidelines in the state of Ca. ???
Where is you legal residence?

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Do you have AZ state id? With that and an address I have bought anything I wanted

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Old 01-10-2018, 5:11 PM
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Do you have AZ state id? With that and an address I have bought anything I wanted

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Old 01-10-2018, 5:13 PM
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I know I can walk into any gun shop in AZ. and purchase anything I want but having it here in Ca. legally is my question.
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I know I can walk into any gun shop in AZ. and purchase anything I want but having it here in Ca. legally is my question.
No you can't (bring into California an off roster gun).
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All residency issues aside, most any modern firearms you buy out of state while a resident of CA needs to be transferred in through a CA FFL. That being said, unless you are exempt from the roster, the pistol will need to be Rostered

Answer is NO, it is not legal for what you are asking
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^ What he said. Here is the relevant PC section. There are a few exemptions but they don't apply to most people.

27585. (a) Commencing January 1, 2015, a resident of this state shall not import into this state, bring into this state, or transport into this state, any firearm that he or she purchased or otherwise obtained on or after January 1, 2015, from outside of this state unless he or she first has that firearm delivered to a dealer in this state for delivery to that resident pursuant to the procedures set forth in Section 27540 and Article 1 (commencing with Section 26700) and Article 2 (commencing with Section 26800) of Chapter 2.
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PC27585 closed the 'dual resident' loophole. If you buy a handgun in AZ you cannot even visit CA with it, if you are also a CA resident. It is a felony, even if it *is* a roster gun.

And as noted, there is no way to transfer an off roster handgun to yourself here because the roster applies.

There are plenty of off roster handguns for sale by private parties here in CA. Yes you may pay a premium, but I always tell people it's cheaper than bail money and attorneys fees.
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Do you have family in AZ or another state other than CA? If so your best bet may be a interstate intrafamiliar transfer. If that might apply, read the sticky for this forum.
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Do you have family in AZ or another state other than CA? If so your best bet may be a interstate intrafamiliar transfer. If that might apply, read the sticky for this forum.
^ This. Parent, grandparent, son or daughter. Siblings are a no go.
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I have a home in AZ and also a home in Ca. I have been searching for an off roster handgun here in Ca. and have not had any luck. Is there any way for me to purchase this firearm in AZ. and have it shipped back here to Ca and be within legal guidelines in the state of Ca. ???
I'm in the same boat but fortunately my son took up full time residence in AZ, it's probably easier to just pay a little more because by the time he ships me a gun ($100) and transfer fee and DROS ($85) your way over the value anyway

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I'm in the same boat but fortunately my son took up full time residence in AZ, it's probably easier to just pay a little more because by the time he ships me a gun ($100) and transfer fee and DROS ($85) your way over the value anyway
If he buys it with funds from you, it is not a gift and you are talking Federal felonies for what is known as a straw purchase (when the person at the dealer is actually buying for another). However, it sounds like you are saying that with the added costs of shipping and the transfer fee, you may as well pay the inflated prices being asked for off roster handguns in a PPT, I agree. Pay the extra $$$ instead of risking felony charges, even if they are rarely brought.
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If he buys it with funds from you, it is not a gift and you are talking Federal felonies for what is known as a straw purchase (when the person at the dealer is actually buying for another). However, it sounds like you are saying that with the added costs of shipping and the transfer fee, you may as well pay the inflated prices being asked for off roster handguns in a PPT, I agree. Pay the extra $$$ instead of risking felony charges, even if they are rarely brought.
I have been looking for the off roster firearm I would like to purchase but they are few and far between.
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^ What he said. Here is the relevant PC section. There are a few exemptions but they don't apply to most people.

27585. (a) Commencing January 1, 2015, a resident of this state shall not import into this state, bring into this state, or transport into this state, any firearm that he or she purchased or otherwise obtained on or after January 1, 2015, from outside of this state unless he or she first has that firearm delivered to a dealer in this state for delivery to that resident pursuant to the procedures set forth in Section 27540 and Article 1 (commencing with Section 26700) and Article 2 (commencing with Section 26800) of Chapter 2.
Not sure I understand this section correctly. Does this mean I can go to a dealer in AZ. and purchase the firearm and have them ship it to a dealer here in CA. and then wait my 10 days and then pick up the firearm??
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Not sure I understand this section correctly. Does this mean I can go to a dealer in AZ. and purchase the firearm and have them ship it to a dealer here in CA. and then wait my 10 days and then pick up the firearm??
Yes, anyone can.

The thing is that the gun has to be on the roster for the CA FFL to be able to transfer it to you. If the gun is not on the roster it can't be transferred to you.

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Not sure I understand this section correctly. Does this mean I can go to a dealer in AZ. and purchase the firearm and have them ship it to a dealer here in CA. and then wait my 10 days and then pick up the firearm??
That's always been the case - it's an interstate transfer; works only for on-Roster handguns.

Skyhawk got it - it closes a 'loophole' for people with legal residency (however the location allows it) in both CA and some other state.

This section forces a an AZ resident who legally bought a gun in AZ, to jump through a hoop if he wants to bring that gun into CA where he also has residency.
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Yes, anyone can.

The thing is that the gun has to be on the roster for the CA FFL to be able to transfer it to you. If the gun is not on the roster it can't be transferred to you.

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I understand it needs to be on the roster to be able to transfer it but then why or how is it ok for me to buy an off roster gun from a private party here in CA. ??
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I understand it needs to be on the roster to be able to transfer it but then why or how is it ok for me to buy an off roster gun from a private party here in CA. ??
Because private party transfers are exempt from the roster.

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Because private party transfers are exempt from the roster.

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ok, then who is allowed to bring these guns into the state ?
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ok, then who is allowed to bring these guns into the state ?
People who move to CA can bring in their off roster pistols if they are otherwise compliant (10 round mags, not more, for example).
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ok, then who is allowed to bring these guns into the state ?

- Non CA Resident moving to CA
- Military with CA Orders
- Immediate Family “Gift” Transfers as mentioned earlier in this thread
- Certain LEO of agencies that are NOT restricted from selling

These are the ones I’m familiar with ... others will comment
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mjc is a brig bunny i bet . He should remove post. If you are resident in ca legally then you cannot buy and take posession of firearm in another state.

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