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That isn't how this works... Besides, the new OAL methodology was submitted by the DOJ 12/29/16 and became active 1/1/17. No public comment period given, no time provided to 'comply'. Hence the need for a grace period. |
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I lawfully possessed the weapon in 2016. According to PC 30515 I now have to register it, and must do so before Jan. 1, 2018
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It's nuts, but I see this being the only real avenue for some bullpups:
(1) Rifles that do not make 30" without a permanent muzzle need to be made permanent in order to register (2) Featureless bullpups is a complete atrocity and in some cases would cost prohibitive amounts of time and money. That PS90 someone showed earlier looks like a $500 conversion, and it's the ugliest and silliest rifle in existance (3) After reg you can go down to 26", but you still need the muzzle to be permanent if it doesn't make 26" without it. |
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According to the new definition of assault weapon as amended in 30515, yes. That's what it's saying is required to be eligible to register.
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It has features now. |
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It's not limited to bullpups, there are plenty of other examples. Regular rifles not making 30" with no muzzle device. Hint: SIG 55x series.
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They are going to have a lot of trouble trying to analyze thousands of pictures of different compliance devices, so that will probably blow up in their face regardless
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Another issue since they seemed to think of nothing other than AR's, how can you tell an AR has a BB from a photo? It's really hard. |
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When they say your illegal you show them the photo they used to approve and say "why did you register my rifle then?". All kinds of Achilles heels in their own mess. |
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Sorry if I've missed it: can someone link me to the pre-2017 definition of overall length/measurement method? Or was it undefined, and the new regulations are 'clarifying' it, not necessarily 'redefining'?
In particular, could it be argued that they actually weren't a 2001-2016 legal config? |
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You can't have that standard mag release on a Registered BBAW.. sorry
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In 2017 they changed to perm muzzle device necessary. It's an underground reg that it going to make tens or hundreds of thousands of rifles felony level assault weapons. Calguns hasn't woken up to this, despite myself and others posting and starting threads about it. Legal eagles and the legal wanabees are going nuts over BB nonsense, but can't find the time to even basically chime in on this. The usual joke I guess. At some point they will figure it out, hopefully. I can throw up the text difference when I get a chance. The BB is not nearly as important an issue as the OAL issue in my opinion. Crying about not being able to drop BB seems to be the only thing anyone cares about. |
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This is what I'm looking for a reference for: the entire first sentence that I've quoted, and that it truly is 'changed to', not 'clarified that'. I'm aware that this was the general consensus; I'm just worried if someone measures a rifle by the new method, and puts < 30" on the registration form: will the DOJ consider that to be admitting to a felony and providing evidence against themselves?
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any action shotgun = 26" [PC 17180(b)] any action rimfire rifle = 26" [PC 17170(b)] manually operated (bolt/lever/pump) centerfire rifle = 26" [PC 17170(b)] single-shot centerfire rifle = 26" [PC 17170(b)] semi-auto centerfire rifle = 30" [PC 30515(a)(3)] |
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So this should apply to the SCAR, AK's with folding stocks and AR's with folding stocks as well?
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It applies to all semi-auto centerfire rifles.
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It's only required to be permanent if the firearm doesn't make min length without it.
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For both 2016 and 2017, if your barrel length is <16" then it needs a permanent muzzle device that brings it up to 16" or it is subject to SBR criteria. In 2016 CA didn't care if it was permanent so long as it met the 30" OAL requirement. That has changed. Quiet has posted the PC that illustrates the 2016 requirements. A simple google search can verify this. Last edited by nicky c; 01-03-2017 at 4:13 PM.. |
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I intentionally omitted barrel or overall.
It is my understanding that if your firearm needs the device to make ANY length spec, the device must be permanent now. In the past the 30" CA thing was an odd outlier AFAICT, maybe also the 26" CA method thing. |
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He was asking about 2016 regs.
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Is it confirmed anywhere that this new measurement requirement also applies to the 26" length requirement? In the new regulations this measurement requirement is under "Overall length of less than 30 inches".
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I'm not sure, I read conflicting info on the internet, and it can't all be true. Doesn't apply to me so I didn't look into it.
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Since these regs only apply to AW registration I would assume that it does not apply to the CA SBR requirements and certainly does not apply to federal SBR requirements.
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Anyone know if the Tavors being sold in CA over the last several months have the muzzle break pinned vs. screwed on? Looks like this:
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You are now in possession of an illegal AW that has a less than 30" OAL. This is worse than being in possession of a BBAW, which supposedly is protected from prosecution until Jan 1st 2018. You might not be able to register unless the muzzle device is made permanent, but after registration you can remove the permanent muzzle device.
You could be arrested now is my point. Welcome to California logic. |
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Yes, the DOJ published a document stating the regulations, but plenty of aspects have yet to be clarified; such as... you guessed it - what options bullpup owners will have going forward in terms of registering, how to proceed with / without extending muzzle devices, etc. |
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