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In-person dealer-to-dealer transfer
Does anyone know the law on dealer-to-dealer transfers in-person? For example, a local shop has a difficult to find firearm that I'd like to buy from them in order to re-sell to my customer. I think that because all licensed activities must be done from my licensed location that if I walked into that shop to buy the firearm, I'd be violating the law. Seems silly for the dealer to have to ship to my place that is 5 minutes away.
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I think that's only for delivering items you've sold. I think you can acquire inventory anywhere...even out of state. |
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What about the law that says business must be conducted at the licensed location? I guess that would prevent FFL's from going to the common carriers to mail guns, or from transporting guns between shop and warehouse. So there must be some allowance for this kind of thing. Looking for any Penal Code just in case.
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Penal Code
The code is as follows:
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What is meant by business is different than you think. I called the person I know at the BATF to confirm this. Conducting business is doing the transfers of a firearm to a non-licensee, not licensee to licensee transfers.
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OK. Most dealers I deal with locally said no problem. But one said they wouldn't transfer to me in-person so it got me on the hunt for the code. They can still refuse to do so if they want to make that business decision but I wanted to make sure that was their choice, not the law. How does this apply out of state? For example, can I pick up some firearms in Reno if I do so in person. I'm driving there for the Thanksgiving weekend and some firearms are easy to obtain there.
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I have picked up guns in Wyoming and drove them to the shop. They go in the bound book just the same as if they came from UPS or from my car.
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Still, I have a question about the CFLC. If I go to an out of state dealer and we do an FFL to (California) FFL face-to-face transfer, is Cal. DOJ/BOF going to consider it as not in compliance with their CFLC rule? I know no "shipping" is involved but I wanted to be sure.
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So I answered my question by buying a firearm at a shop in Reno. They just wanted to see my FFL and Resale Certificate (Tax), and I walked out with a pistol. One of the employees called his buddy at the ATF who said it was no problem to do a dealer transfer over-the-counter. @Eltee, we did a CFLC just as required with any transfer to a CA dealer.
Both dealers in Reno that I talked to said I could buy anything I wanted and that California Legality and what I did with my purchase was my problem.
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Toby's Tactical 07FFL/02SOT Mountain View, CA |
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It does not matter if there is no shipping involved, you still need a CFLC letter from that dealer. If/when you get inspected by the CA DOJ, you had better be able to show the numbers or that it did not come from a FFL.
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Kemasa. False signature edited by Paul: Banned from the FFL forum due to being rude and insulting. Doing this continues his abuse. Don't tell someone to read the rules he wrote or tell him that he is wrong. Never try to teach a pig to sing. You waste your time and you annoy the pig. - Robert A. Heinlein |
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