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Old 08-18-2018, 11:07 PM
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I submitted 6/10. No response yet.
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Old 08-18-2018, 11:33 PM
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Don't know if the zippers were 'purpose-built' for a lock, but they take a lock nicely. If you zoom into the picture of the case, on the bottom left side, the zippers are shown with a bit of leather threaded through each zipper handle to give a bit more leverage on the zipper. The hole for the leather is where the lock gets attached.
That was more of a rhetorical question that only the end-user can answer.

Bottom line, would the officer making contact with you be satisfied with your container, be it a hard or soft container? Like the container, the lock falls under the same ambiguity. You could have a Pelican 1700, and a lock that could literally be chewed through with your teeth.

Since folks around here like to play it safe, if you have any lingering doubt about your soft container, run a cable lock through the magazine well, and out the ejection port (the same cable locks that come with pistols), which would completely lock the action, and prevent a magazine from being inserted into the magazine well.

Even if an officer took slight issue with your (locked) soft container, you've gone above and beyond with the cable lock. Again, think legislative intent.
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Locked is locked, the state does not define soft case vs. hard case vs. any case in a trunk that can not be readily accessed from inside the vehicle.

Use discretion when it comes to different vehicle set ups. example: A Honda Accord with trunk, to drop the rear seat back takes a key (aka, lock) vs. a SUV/Wagon/Hatch with open cargo area.

In a truck I personally do not like the idea of guns in general being inside the bed as someone could simply walk up and do a snatch and grab while sitting still in traffic. I have done it, I just don't like doing it. If at all possible I place behind the front seats.
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I submitted 6/10. No response yet.
I submitted 6/20 and no word yet, this waiting crap is getting old fast.
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I submitted 6/20 and no word yet, this waiting crap is getting old fast.
Sorry, but I can't really feel your pain what with being out 60 days. When you get to 120+ days with no registration letter, please post back (there are some who have been waiting 210+ days).
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Sorry, but I can't really feel your pain what with being out 60 days. When you get to 120+ days with no registration letter, please post back (there are some who have been waiting 210+ days).
I wasn't expecting you to "feel my pain". I'm just annoyed.
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I wasn't expecting you to "feel my pain". I'm just annoyed.
We all are, this entire process has been a sh**show.

If they'd made it so all we had to do was mail a postcard and wait for a letter, like every other time before this, we'd have all been better off.

If it's any consolation, DOJ really screwed themselves in the process. They borrowed and spent far more money than they earned and now they have to figure out how to pay it back, plus since they made the process such a nightmare they've pretty much guaranteed that nobody is ever going to register anything ever again.
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We all are, this entire process has been a sh**show.

If they'd made it so all we had to do was mail a postcard and wait for a letter, like every other time before this, we'd have all been better off.

If it's any consolation, DOJ really screwed themselves in the process. They borrowed and spent far more money than they earned and now they have to figure out how to pay it back, plus since they made the process such a nightmare they've pretty much guaranteed that nobody is ever going to register anything ever again.
Yup.

But they really didn’t want anyone to register anything, pretty obvious.

The Brady group calls the shots at the California DOJ Firearms division.
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Old 08-19-2018, 9:02 PM
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Yup.

But they really didn’t want anyone to register anything, pretty obvious.

The Brady group calls the shots at the California DOJ Firearms division.
Sadly you hit the nail on the head with that post. It's not run by elected officials, it's run by a guy appointed and controlled by Brady.
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I submitted 6/20 and no word yet, this waiting crap is getting old fast.
I submitted 4 registrations on 6/12.

On 8/17 I received emails stating that 3 of those submissions were "being processed" and I would be notified by U.S. mail upon completion of processing.

One submission was kicked back because I checked a wrong box ("under 30" length") and they wanted an additional picture showing overall length, which I submitted today.

Almost there!
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Submitted June 13th, incomplete notice on August 19th, resubmitted August 21
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If it's any consolation, DOJ really screwed themselves in the process. They borrowed and spent far more money than they earned and now they have to figure out how to pay it back, plus since they made the process such a nightmare they've pretty much guaranteed that nobody is ever going to register anything ever again.
Wait really? I figured they would just absorb the money. In fact I assumed they did this on purpose. Build a 250,000 system and then use the money elsewhere.
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Old 08-20-2018, 5:10 PM
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Wait really? I figured they would just absorb the money. In fact I assumed they did this on purpose. Build a 250,000 system and then use the money elsewhere.
The system was cheap, but the staff is expensive, they hired something like 25 dedicated employees for this
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All of Mine have been "In Progress" since 4/12.

Also, still waiting for them to add the Manufacturer:
Working Mans Armory (which they were made aware of on 4/12)...

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The system was cheap, but the staff is expensive, they hired something like 25 dedicated employees for this
Regardless, the un-recovered funds will have to be offset somehow. My bet is another raid on the DROS fees. Maybe an increase in DROS fees to cover the deficit?
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Old 08-21-2018, 12:50 PM
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Wait really? I figured they would just absorb the money. In fact I assumed they did this on purpose. Build a 250,000 system and then use the money elsewhere.
DOJ was expecting roughly 250,000 x $15 = $3.75 million in income. Actual income is going to be closer to 30,000 x $15 = $450,000, so the shortfall will be around $3.4 million dollars. Oopsie!

The DOJ has asked for a loan of $3.7 million from Firearms Safety and Enforcement Special Fund to deposited in to the DROS fund. That $3.7 million loan is supposed to be repaid by 6/30/2021. Guess what loan is not going to be repaid? I guess the APPS program is going to be even MORE short of funds for enforcement...

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The system was cheap, but the staff is expensive, they hired something like 25 dedicated employees for this
Question is how is DOJ going to fund continue employment for those 25 new folks pass 2021? Laid-offs? Does not seem like government agency are much into laid-offs.
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Old 08-21-2018, 5:29 PM
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Question is how is DOJ going to fund continue employment for those 25 new folks pass 2021? Laid-offs? Does not seem like government agency are much into laid-offs.
I believe they were hired as temporary staff purely for the purpose of processing RAW apps, with the intent to let them go when the work is done. But who knows.

It does seem like there are a lot fewer people working on RAW apps there lately
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DOJ was expecting roughly 250,000 x $15 = $3.75 million in income. Actual income is going to be closer to 30,000 x $15 = $450,000, so the shortfall will be around $3.4 million dollars. Oopsie!

The DOJ has asked for a loan of $3.7 million from Firearms Safety and Enforcement Special Fund to deposited in to the DROS fund. That $3.7 million loan is supposed to be repaid by 6/30/2021. Guess what loan is not going to be repaid? I guess the APPS program is going to be even MORE short of funds for enforcement...

Sounds like fraud, LOL.

Seriously, how TF did they expect to generate that many registrations without proper notification to the public, word of mouth? Wait, via CGN? Maybe they failed to notice that the 50-page threads on AW's were kept going by the same 5 people, LOL.

At the end of the day, I can only hope jobs were lost, demotions were issued, heads were placed in guillotines, etc.

Meanwhile, whoever is left needs to hurry TF up and process my remaining rifles.
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DOJ was expecting roughly 250,000 x $15 = $3.75 million in income. Actual income is going to be closer to 30,000 x $15 = $450,000, so the shortfall will be around $3.4 million dollars. Oopsie!
The speed they're going, they're darn lucky it wasn't a few hundred thousand...

Yep, lose money on every transaction, so make up for it with volume... Sounds like a government business plan, all right.
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The speed they're going, they're darn lucky it wasn't a few hundred thousand...

Yep, lose money on every transaction, so make up for it with volume... Sounds like a government business plan, all right.
They certainly can't claim to be able to make up the shortfall from advertising revenues...
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The speed they're going, they're darn lucky it wasn't a few hundred thousand...

Yep, lose money on every transaction, so make up for it with volume... Sounds like a government business plan, all right.
It was idiotic for them to release that steaming pile of turd for registration regulations and expect any significant number of people to obey them.

They probably would've gotten 250k or more registrations if they'd just followed the letter and spirit of the law.

They got greedy, and now they have to pay for it.
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It was idiotic for them to release that steaming pile of turd for registration regulations and expect any significant number of people to obey them.

They probably would've gotten 250k or more registrations if they'd just followed the letter and spirit of the law.

They got greedy, and now they have to pay for it.
You mean the tax payer (you and me) will have to pay for the Brady political grandstanding.
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It was idiotic for them to release that steaming pile of turd for registration regulations and expect any significant number of people to obey them.

They probably would've gotten 250k or more registrations if they'd just followed the letter and spirit of the law.

They got greedy, and now they have to pay for it.
Either that or they intended this from the get go. Eric Holder is a smart corrupt man.

I think they got their cake and ate it too. The reg period is always a begrudgingly difficult thing for them, after all it's grandfathering. After all if they can get as few regs as possible and have those that did reg have unfair rules placed on them, than that's about as good as they could have hoped for. They also made sure the most amount of gun owners would qualify as felons if they ever get lucky enough to get us into a bad situation.

It's win win win for them. I see no downside for them at all.

The thing they are most worried about is getting in front of a conservative judiciary Trump appointee. Guaranteed they are formulating the master plan now to make sure that never happens by only confiscating and never actually charging anyone with a felony. People will be cool because they know they have prosecutorial discretion.
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You mean the tax payer (you and me) will have to pay for the Brady political grandstanding.
Well, ya. But it was worth the $15 if I get to see someone's career at DOJ end over it
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Doubtful in the current political environment.
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What makes anyone think the DoJ wanted >0 registrations? They'd be happier if there were 250k MORE potential felons they can arrest and disarm completely.

They get funded either way, and they will never be forced to repay anything.
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Submitted mine as joint around mid June, primary received all email between 8/11 - 8/14, got final reg letter in mail on 8/22. A little happy for not having any errors, but mostly still pissed at this crap. The secondary reg still have yet to hear anything, which was submitted the day after the primary.
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I just got 3 of mine today, incomplete because I didn't provide joint registration proof of addresses for my J-R3 & J-R4. Hopefully they complete the other 2 tomorrow. My wife hasn't had word yet. Done the same day. My J-R's were unable to complete their's due to how long it took to upload pictures & the site crashes.
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I believe they were hired as temporary staff purely for the purpose of processing RAW apps, with the intent to let them go when the work is done. But who knows.

It does seem like there are a lot fewer people working on RAW apps there lately
Hum, if they are temp staffs and are let go... Wondering if we can find some of them and ask exactly what is been done behind closed doors? How were they trained, what was the process, etc, etc...

Maybe good info for future potential lawsuits.
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I apologize in advance, since I'm certain this has been posted somewhere, but I'm in school and barely have time to navigate to this thread before my procrastination timer is buzzing at me.....

What subject line/sender email address should I be keeping an out for?
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bofcris@doj.ca.gov

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I thought I read somewhere in an old thread that if 90 days passes without action one can contact DOJ for an update? Has anyone waited 90+ days done this and successfully moved their application to "approved" as a result?
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I thought I read somewhere in an old thread that if 90 days passes without action one can contact DOJ for an update? Has anyone waited 90+ days done this and successfully moved their application to "approved" as a result?
Contacted them after 90 days about volreg and no response. During the 90 days they answered and said no questions would be answered until 90 days were up.
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Registered 6/27/2018 and haven't heard anything, other than the receipt for the $15.
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