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I only have 1. 30" full chock, Magnum receiver for 2 3/4" and 3" shells. Weren't no Rem Chokes back then. Bought it out of the JC Penney catalog when I was 18 (more than a few decades ago). Picked it up at will-call in Sunnyvale and had to take it out of the box to inspect it before taking it home. They insisted on it. Gathered it all up under my arm and walked out to my truck, just like that. No fuss. No muss. Last edited by nedro; 10-20-2017 at 12:26 PM.. |
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Was thinking of doing the same
My WM is from the roughly the same time period. Thought of making it tacticool, but so many memories with it, couldn't bring myself to do it (got it brand new when I was 13 dad bought it am 60 now). Bought the tactical express and will build on that. Not really much more I'd want to do though. Got it in time to take advantage of the rebate offer too.
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Folks use shotguns for different reasons. You sound like a bird hunter, and that's a fine thing. But please do not denigrate someone their combat shotgun, made from 1 of the over 11,000,000 produced. I love my Wingmasters, and have swapped to shorter barrels. I have kept the originals (a 28" full choke and a 26" SKEET choke). I have installed flex tab carrier/bolt conversions and Remington Supercell butt pads (the second shotgun since this photo was taken). One has had a single-shot mag extension added to it, the other sling swivels. 20151112_192913.jpg
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Thanks, fellas. And they're both a 1980 vintage, which makes them 50th Anniversary 870s if magazine advertising from the era is any indication. The vintage Coleman has to be some of the greatest industrial art of the 20th Century along with the Remington 870 and 1100.
And now, because Brad has seen fit to spice up our lives with a moustachioed Mona Lisa... I give you this 1100. 20160531_194838.jpg What can I say? I like my long guns short, light and handy... like my women. Hee!
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downdiver, thank you. And that's about all I have collected: Guns and lanterns. No boats, no airplanes, no Hardley Davissinz... just a wife, a son, a house, a truck and a job.
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Seems that there are almost as many tacticool putzes out there as there are decent Wingmasters.[/QUOTE]
So I’m a “tactical putz”? Because I worked over a pitted rust bucket of a gun too something more useful for my style of gun ownership? What a joke. You are the kind of person I described in my previous post. |
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Ignore that clown.... Some of these guys are acting like you just sawed off the barrel of the last Mauser on the planet or something....Jeebus. Its an 870. There are bazillions of them out there. .. |
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Is he? she? the one you had a "misunderstanding at the Cheetah Club" with?
Sorry Brad, I couldn't resist. http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s....php?t=1381407 |
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The answer is, of course, yes; I do shoot them. I prefer to blow up 3-dimensional targets (not paper) with slugs and in the great outdoors. However, I do not shoot my shotguns nearly as often as I do my bolts .308 and X39, my .45 1911s (the distinction made because of the dearth of the 9mm variants, however blasphemous), my DA Smiths, my SA Rugers and their companion-caliber Marlin 1894s and Winchester '92s... or my AR, or my rimfire rifles. I'd shoot more clays than I do but being cross-dominant makes me a lousy wing shot. Do you shoot much besides shotgun?
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There's nothing wrong with turning a reliable 870 Wingmaster into a fighting shotgun as opposed to using the current garden fertilizer offered by Remington, if that's what the OP wants to use it for. I say, "Good job, OP.", and don't pay any mind to the whining "purists". If I showed them the battered $150 Wingmaster upon which I've mounted an overfolding stock and an equally battered rifle sighted barrel from my department's old inventory, their heads would probably explode... especially after I finish the project with a nice coat of Parkerizing...
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Well done OP one of a kind...
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One of my wingmasters doubles as an hd gun.
It sports a cut down vented rib barrel with a truglo sight and the plug pulled out. No other gun i own is as reliable or as familiar to my hand so i know you chose well. My guess is what youv'e done suits you well.
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Thanks, plumbum!
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Being the Express and Wingmaster are the same guns but with different furniture and finish and only two small parts that are not any better, just different I can't understand people slamming the Express. Yes, 11 million 870's sold and many of them are Express Models or Special Purpose models. Also realize the Tactical Models are Express Models also. Anyone knowing anything about these guns would not make the statement that the Express is crap because it is as I said just an 870.
And yes, the OP built his gun. Not mine nor anyone else's gun. He did what he want to with it. Not something I would do but it is not my gun and will not be used by me. Slamming the guy is out of line and is one of the problems with forums.
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slamming a guy over what he wants to do with his property is bad but forming an opinion of the difference between an express and a wingmaster based on what you read somewhere ain't a whole lot better.
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My slamming of the recent express models comes from personal experience with several recent guns-not internet lore.
However-if you Google Remington 870 express problems or simply search this forum you will find many people having issues with these late model guns. Perhaps these problems are present in the current Wingmasters as well-but I don't seem to see that. I've always considered myself an 870 guy. I've only personally owned two 870's,but have shot many of my friends older guns as well for years. I also have owned 1187's-which are of course mechanically very similar to an 870 but with a semi auto gas system. My field grade 28" 870 and 1187 and also my 21" 1187 Police with rifle sights were 90's era guns and never gave me a bit of trouble. Same with my CHP trade in gun,a 1973 manufactured 18" bead sighted Wingmaster 870. Working at a range until fairly recently that uses several brands of shotguns,you get a feel for which guns work,which have issues(sometimes only with certain brands of ammo of course) and which guns are just problematic POS's. While our slightly older Expresses didn't seem to have too many issues`except with a couple brands of ammo,the recent one's were giving so many issues that I requested Mossbergs be sent instead of Remingtons next time. The problems? Constant sticky extraction with all ammo. Clients couldn't eject the shells. Often we couldn't either without mortaring to get the shell out. Often the shell would remain stuck in the chamber and require a rod. It was always either get a cleaning rod for the 870 or a client saying this thing locked up. Everyday mortaring of 870's-like it's a normal thing. We never had that problem with the older guns. I left that job before figuring out the issues-but I see online different theories of rough chambers on expresses or out of spec extractors and more. Don't really care-I'll most likely stick with the older guns. If you were to offer me a new express or a new Mossberg 590,or even a 500-no question-I'd take the Berg. With the tang safety and Rattles and all. I also do like that they have dual extractors as well. |
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While it's news to me that there are any mechanical parts differences between the two at all (or actually several i guess including the sportsman and others) that's not the difference. The fit and finish are a factor sure but you don't need a thing of beauty to protect your home. It's more that that same attention to the finer points was paid to the internal workings as well with an older wingmaster. The sportsmans iv'e cycled and even hunted with made me wonder if i needed to turn them over to let the filings fall out or would the oil soak them up. 40 some years of wingshooting with them here..... and the sportmans just don't match up to the butter slick operation, balance and rock solid reliability of a wingmaster.
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No doubt the older 870 are smoother to operate on the pump action. Like many mass produced items. Remington having now sold in the realm of 12 million units has dropped some quality control.
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When you post up a thread like this, you are going to get positive as well as negative comments. With that said, I like the mods and the work appears to have been very well done.
I am also enjoying the handwringing of those who chide the OP for somehow having ruined a classic Wingmaster shotgun. Even funnier is all the hot air that he should have used a modern 870 Express. The newer 870 Express guns are a poor substitute for a vintage Wingmaster and frankly not worth spending a lot of time and money upgrading. I say this from personal experience owing and using both of them. I would take a vintage Wingmaster as a defensive shotgun before a newer Express all day long. |
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And wingmaster’s aren’ hard to find. They are everywhere. Personally, knowing how little effort it is to get an 870. Wingmaster I would never own an express given the choice. Get yourself some Wilson/Scattergun Tech. Sights on that - you won’t regret ilt for a moment.
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Not an unexpected comment from this bozo
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He took one of the most ubiquitious shotguns ever and built what he wants (effectively a Wingmaster Police Magnum) which is a far better built shotgun than any current 870 (express ??? As if ...). If you consider an 870 wingmaster a grail gun, your sights are too low. (Disclaimer - I have 3 870s - all Wingmasters 12g in 18”, 12g 28”, 20g 28”)
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It isn’t an Ithaca 37 lol.
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I can assure you SoCal guns in san diego will have a few - as about a hundred others - not hard to find if you look.
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Jeez, why does everyone have such incredible boners for old wingmasters? He didn't paint the thing purple, and he could very easily convert it back and forth between this setup and a field gun. What if he had decided to change the barrel for one with a rib? Or one with removable chokes? Is that "destroying a classic gun?" What makes guns, especially shotguns, cool is how you can do anything and everything with them, and I guess the great thing about the internet is you can talk down to people who are having fun.
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