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Old 10-22-2017, 2:24 AM
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Default Sphinx AT 2000P 9mm Handgun PIECE OF JUNK!

Sorry guys! I hate to say it but I bought the gun brand new. Bought 4 Factory magazines. Have NEVER been able to exhaust 1 full magazine through the gun to this day. I have tried just about every acceptable commercial brand 9mm ammo on the market. It will shoot 2 rounds than stovepipe EVERY TIME. It is the most expensive paperweight I have ever purchased! Even if I was able to remedy the problem with this gun I would NEVER trust this gun to protect my life! And Kriss customer service SUCKS!!! Give me a Sig Sauer over this piece of junk ANYDAY! I am very curious about the comments I will get on this thread
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Old 10-22-2017, 5:02 AM
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What'd you pay for the POS?
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Old 10-22-2017, 5:03 AM
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Likely just your guns tolerances. They are tight guns. Possible recoil spring is too heavy. See if wolf makes a lighter one.

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You can replace them with something more reliable.
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Old 10-22-2017, 7:15 AM
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It's obviously defective. Can happen with any gun.
It used to be the case that the pricey guns were less likely to be defective when they leave the factory, but not any more.
Customer service is also becoming a thing of the past.
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Sorry guys! I hate to say it but I bought the gun brand new. Bought 4 Factory magazines. Have NEVER been able to exhaust 1 full magazine through the gun to this day. I have tried just about every acceptable commercial brand 9mm ammo on the market. It will shoot 2 rounds than stovepipe EVERY TIME. It is the most expensive paperweight I have ever purchased! Even if I was able to remedy the problem with this gun I would NEVER trust this gun to protect my life! And Kriss customer service SUCKS!!! Give me a Sig Sauer over this piece of junk ANYDAY! I am very curious about the comments I will get on this thread
Even brand new Glocks have these same types of problems. Most likely the problem is very minor and easily rectified.
Why do you say their customer service sucks? Did you contact them with the facts of whats happening or did you constantly tell them how much their product sucks?
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Old 10-22-2017, 10:21 AM
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Actually, i'm embarrassed about the price I paid for it. I paid $1800. And the reason I say their customer service sucks is because when I contacted them about sending the firearm back for service they would not reply. I was completely polite and cordial with them in all of my correspondences. I totally understand and agree what offrdmania wrote about the facts or how the product sucks. You can't be a hothead and cussing at people and telling them their product sucks and at the same time expect a positive outcome. It just does not work like that.
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Old 10-22-2017, 10:28 AM
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KrisDSA, you say you'll take it. If you are willing to pay $1800 for it I would be willing to sell it to you through a California FFL holder with a private party transfer.
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That’s why I stopped my quest for the Sphinx 3000. Hard to find, Uber expensive, lack of good US support for parts and service.
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Old 10-22-2017, 6:44 PM
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Have you tried these......http://www.winchester.com/Products/c...low-point.aspx A little pricey, but they seem to work when all else fails.
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Thanks langss. No I don't believe I have tried those but I will. I will let you guys know what happens after I try the ammo langss suggested. In a couple of days. At this point i'm ready to try just about anything! It makes me feel sick when I think about how much I paid for this gun. Also, I was under the impression this gun had a lifetime warranty. (thats what the FFL Dealer who sold it to me said and its also in writing in the owners manual but Kriss denies it!) Kriss Arms bought out Sphinx Nov. 2010.
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Shoulda got a CZ.
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My question would be: What type of malfunction are you getting?

I imagine that it is tight and not broken in yet. Also try some warmer euro ammo, like the 124 nato stuff.
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Old 10-23-2017, 1:04 AM
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I do have a CZ 75 SP-01 LOVE IT! And the malfunction on my Sphinx is it stovepipes after the second round EVERY TIME! Just like clockwork. Just as I said in my first post. I'm pretty sure I did try some Euro ammo. It did'ent make any difference.
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I have a Sphinx SDP and it does not exhibit any reliability issues. I am sorry your 2000 does operate reliably. I hope you get a resolution from Kriss.
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Old 10-23-2017, 6:00 AM
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Thanks langss. No I don't believe I have tried those but I will. I will let you guys know what happens after I try the ammo langss suggested. In a couple of days. At this point i'm ready to try just about anything! It makes me feel sick when I think about how much I paid for this gun. Also, I was under the impression this gun had a lifetime warranty. (thats what the FFL Dealer who sold it to me said and its also in writing in the owners manual but Kriss denies it!) Kriss Arms bought out Sphinx Nov. 2010.
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If you bought the Sphinx brand new, you have warranty on it.
If the paperwork states you have life time warranty, and the dealer you got it from stated that, take it to the dealer and he should sort it out.

If the dealer stated (alaso written on the paperwork) that you have a life time warranty on the pistol, do you really have to care what Kriss says?
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Yes, it does suck to not get an email back. But try calling them instead. I bet they will help you then
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Old 10-23-2017, 12:47 PM
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I had a Sphinx that was flawless after 3k rounds. It loved 124gr Ammo and NATO Ammo.

I’d do some troubleshooting before writing it off.
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Hearing that its a stove pipe makes me think that the extractor spring is weak.
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Hearing that its a stove pipe makes me think that the extractor spring is weak.
Or maybe a tight chamber. Can you drop a round into the chamber easily?
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Old 10-23-2017, 6:49 PM
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For someone who doesn't know the Sphinx very well, what's the appeal over say a Tanfo Stock 2 or 3?
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Old 10-23-2017, 7:02 PM
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Jeez thats a lot of money, coulda got a CZ for 1/3 the price.
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I would say what a few others have said...possibility is tight tolerances. It probably will be frustrating but shoot another 100 rounds and see if it loosens up.
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Has anyone else shot the gun and experienced the same issue?
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I had a Sphinx 380 but it functioned flawlessly. However, I will say I've had 3 guns in my life where it kept jamming but ran flawlessly after about 500 rounds.
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Old 10-24-2017, 2:32 AM
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Yes, Kriss bought out Sphinx in Nov. 2010 So Sphinx is no longer in business. And as far as what Kriss Arms says about the Sphinx's warranty. When I finally was able to speak to someone at Kriss. Kriss stated that the Sphinx AT 2000 was discontinued by Sphinx Systems prior to the acquisition by the Kriss Group. Therefore they do not repair or service or stock any parts for the Sphinx Legacy models. They recommended I contact a local gunsmith for service of my firearm. So thats the story about their wonderful lifetime warranty. And I DID contact the dealer that sold me the gun. They said I had to send it back to the manufacturer for servicing. They were not helpful at all.
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Yes other people have fired the gun and had the same problem in other words no I am not limp wrist shooting the firearm.
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Thanks for the offer on rustling up a Sig to trade but i'm not ready to give up just yet!
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Yes I am able to drop a round into the chamber with no problems.
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Stovepipe issues are almost always an extractor or ejector issue. The only other possible causes have to deal with recoil- springs, weak ammo, or limp wristing.

If I were you, I would start with things I could change myself. Different ammo, weaker recoil springs; Then ask a gun smith to check the extractor/ejector function. Given the make/model of the gun- I would try a few rounds of hot ammo before anything else.
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$300 I can take it off your hand and makes you a happy day!
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The cause of stovepipe should be easily identified by an experienced gunsmith. Look for someone to diagnose the pistol, and dig out the root cause first. Regarding the warranty, it's really bad Kriss doesn't take it with a kind of reasonable excuse.
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You're right and I agree with you, but the OP shouldn't have to pay for this with a brand new pistol.
If you know some gunsmith well in a range, he won't charge you for taking a look and trying a few rounds with your pistol. It will usually be charged as long as you ask for fixing it.
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Fair enough, good point

But if there is a problem - the manufacturer should fix it (free of course for a new pistol).
Yes, totally agreed. As long as you identify the issue is not caused by bad ammo, dirty chamber, weak griping or anything out of the pistol, then you should ask the manufacturer for fixing it (or cover the fixing cost).
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Yes, Kriss bought out Sphinx in Nov. 2010 So Sphinx is no longer in business. And as far as what Kriss Arms says about the Sphinx's warranty. When I finally was able to speak to someone at Kriss. Kriss stated that the Sphinx AT 2000 was discontinued by Sphinx Systems prior to the acquisition by the Kriss Group. Therefore they do not repair or service or stock any parts for the Sphinx Legacy models. They recommended I contact a local gunsmith for service of my firearm. So thats the story about their wonderful lifetime warranty. And I DID contact the dealer that sold me the gun. They said I had to send it back to the manufacturer for servicing. They were not helpful at all.
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