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Old 09-18-2017, 10:23 PM
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Default Your Favorite 45 Colt load...

I'm new to loading my new 45 Colt rounds for a Ruger New Vaquero.

I am using Missouri Bullet Company bullets that are SWC.

Diameter - 0.452"

Weight - 255gr

Hardness - 18 Brinell


I have loaded the following test rounds to see what the pistol likes.

Vectan AS powder (min to max)

Alliant BE-86 (8.1gr)

Alliant Red Dot (6.0gr)

Win 572 (7.1gr)

Alliant Unique (8.5gr)

Hodgdon Trail Boss (5.8gr)

Please post your favorite loads. Only looking for standard SAAMI pressures.

I just wanted to try a wide range of powders. I'm hoping that the Vectan AS powder works great.






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Old 09-19-2017, 7:03 AM
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Unique is one of the most popular .45 Colt powders out there, and 8.5gr is right in the ballpark. I use something close to that (I don't recall the exact charge weight).

I did use 5.0gr of Win 748 a lot about 12-15 years ago. It always worked fine then...but I still have some of those same rounds left and about 20% of them are squibs (bullet stuck in barrel, unburned powder left behind). I'm not sure what went wrong over time.
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Currently my only 45 Colt is a S&W 25-5. I am using 8.5 grains of Unique pushing a 255 grain LSWC.

My next batch will be X-treme plated 255 Flat Point. I plan on continuing with 8.5 grains of Unique.
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Old 09-19-2017, 8:50 PM
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6 gr. Titegroup with 255 gr bear creek moly coated.

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8.5gr Unique
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Old 09-20-2017, 7:04 AM
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Default 45 Colt Ammo

8.5 Unique, home cast 200 gr. RNFP

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Old 09-20-2017, 11:51 AM
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I've used 6.5gr. HP-38, and 8.5gr. HS-6.
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I like True Blue, Accurate #5 and Bullseye.

But 8.5 gr of Unique is my favorite.
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I'm using 12.6 of Blue Dot with 255(?) Bear creek RNFP. But I have a lot of it and was optimizing for carbines. A faster powder might be better for your revolver.

I loaded up some 205's with HP38/231, but haven't got around to shooting/chrono'ing them.
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Old 09-22-2017, 9:53 PM
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I mostly load 231/HP38, 250 gn lead, about 6gn (per Lee 2ND edition), which work well, but get smoke burns down the brass. (Black smoke on casing).

The cleanest was Herc 2400/250gn lead, 13.9gn (min per Lee 2nd edition), to 14.6gn.

Verify before trying.

I have another book just about Cowboy loads and the guy uses 2400, h110 and all kinds of hot loads in his old Colts. I haven't had the huevos to try his loads, so won't post them here.

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Default Your Favorite 45 Colt load...

Thanks guys for all your input.

I just sent off an email to www.accuratemolds.com to see if my submission for a new 45 Colt wad cutter will be added. I edited another design on his website to get down to 165gr wad cutter with crimp groove. This would make a nice light wad cutter for punching paper. I'm looking to use Bullseye or IMR Target for this bullet. The length of the bullet is only 0.380" long. Should be a nice cowboy load wad cutter. I'm hoping he will name it #45-165WC.

I'm also looking to design a 275gr to 300gr bullet for use with BE-86 powder. BE-86 for heavier bullets looks promising, and will stay at safe 45 Colt pressures.


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I just got an email back from Tom at www.accuratemolds.com . He said his tooling has vertical limitations, and my design would need to be modified. The wad cutter is now 170gr. Design 45-170V. I can't wait to order it and try it. For my test loads today with a 255gr SWC I settled on 8.5gr of Unique. Very accurate for 50 yards on steel.


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Put the design up on cast boolits and see if yo u get a group buy going with your mould. Might drop the price down

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Put the design up on cast boolits and see if yo u get a group buy going with your mould. Might drop the price down

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I know with NOE molds that is true, but with www.accuratemolds.com I think the price is fixed. He doesn't charge for a new mold design. 2 different ways of making molds. NOE uses a custom form tool (cherry), and Accurate Molds uses the lathe boring design. I think I will be ordering a 2 cavity mold. One cavity with a 170gr wad cutter, the other cavity with a 300gr wad cutter.


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Old 09-23-2017, 10:58 PM
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Default Your Favorite 45 Colt load...

I had a good day at Lytle Creek range today. I got to test my rounds with different powders at distance.

Bullets - 0.452" dia, 255gr SWC Missouri Cast Bullets (18 BHN)

Gun - Stainless Ruger New Vaquero 45LC 5-1/2" barrel

Out of all the powders I loaded, the best grouping was 8.5gr Unique, and 6.1gr Vectan AS.

Trail Boss @ 5.8gr was a close tie with Vectan AS powder. Alliant BE-86 @ 8.1gr would be a close third place.


I managed to hit a IDPA size torso at 100 yards with the 8.5gr Unique. I hit the plate 4 out of 6 times. The 2 missed shots were close, and just missed the edges.

Here are some of my pics from 50 yards away. These plates were painted multiple times after testing groups.

Picture below with the red circle on the bottom is my targets at 50 yards. Red circle on top was IDPA torso target at 100 yards.











Another group of tested bullets...





Some of these were shot with bench rest and some free hand standing.

Bowling pins were mine too. They were the first thing to shoot and knocked off my stand. Bowling pins seem to get very skinny at 50 yards.

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I just loaded up 50 pieces of 45 LC brass with 7.8gr of 800-X with a 255gr Missouri Cast (18 BHN) SWC bullet. I will let you know how they shoot.

Anyone else shoot 45 LC with 800-X ? Anyone out there use Blue Dot for 45 LC?






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Old 09-28-2017, 8:21 AM
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I picked up a pound of Ramshot True Blue powder to try in 45 LC. Has anyone tried it in 45 LC or other rounds?

http://www.ramshot.com/products/hand...oduct=TrueBlue

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I just loaded up 50 pieces of 45 LC brass with 7.8gr of 800-X with a 255gr Missouri Cast (18 BHN) SWC bullet. I will let you know how they shoot.

Anyone else shoot 45 LC with 800-X ? Anyone out there use Blue Dot for 45 LC?






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I use Blue Dot. 12.6 behind 255 bear Creek RNFB for my SAAMI loads.
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I also picked up some Accurate 5744 for some 300gr heavy lead rounds. These will be SAAMI loads.


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Default Your Favorite 45 Colt load...

I loaded up some rounds of 45 LC with Accurate 5744 powder. Man this stuff is bulky like Trail Boss. Fills the case nicely.

I also loaded up some rounds of 45 LC with Ramshot True Blue powder. This is about the smallest powder bits I have seen. Looks almost like graphite.



This picture is 8.8 grains of True Blue.




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tagged for reference- thanks guys
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Just got back from the range.

800-X is no good for indoors. It smokes like black powder from Min to Max load. It also heats up the pistol more than Unique at standard pressure.
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I like my 8.5gr load of Unique with 255gr SWC for 45LC. This is at standard pressure. This is my go to favorite standard.
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I also like Accurate 5744 powder. Almost like a 357 Magnum load.



Best group was at 19gr Accurate 5745 powder with a 255gr SWC at about 1000 FPS. Fast and accurate. 4-1/2 inch 6 shot group at 15 yards.

There is also a 300gr, and 395gr lead bullet load for 45LC with this powder. This powder is right around the speed of CFE BLACK on the chart.



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I also tried Ramshot True Blue powder in 45LC. Best loads with a 255gr SWC was 8.5 grains. This is a scary powder. It barely fills the bottom of the case. Very easy to double or quadruple charge a case.
I had 4 rounds loaded for this grain weight. 3 shots are touching. 4 shot group is 1.5" at 15 yards. 8.5gr is just below max load data.



At 8.8 gr (max load data) 4 shot group was a 8 inches at 15 yards.

I like how clean this powder burns, but you must be very careful not to over charge. I used my auto trickler load these, and verified with a manual scale (yes I'm paranoid of over charging).

I think I will try True Blue powder in 9mm and 45acp loads next.

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Just loaded 400 of my mouse fart loads for cowboy shooting, 200g RNFP on top of 4.4g of bullseye. 597 fps out of my 4.6" Vaquero. Great for cowboy, but real dirty.
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