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Ruger American Predator 6.5creedmoor
Athlon Argos BTR 6-24x50
EGE 20moa mount
Vortex rings
Harris bipod
PWS PRC brake
Factory stock filled with lead and sand
Front sanded and lined with JB weld

Under $1000 retail into this not including ammo.

100 yards
crosshair on center of red dot
3 shots hot bore Hornady 140 ELD-M
scope at 18x

The factory stock is horrible but I don't want to break the $1000 mark. Wish I could get a 5 round mag for a realistic group. I love the scope but have not tried it past 100 so who knows what it will do at distance. The rifle was fine at 500 yards with a PA 4-14x44 FFP RGRID.

Not sure how to measure this. Is it from furthest cuts or a guess at bullet center to bullet center?

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Old 04-21-2017, 6:03 AM
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Poverty! Hilarious!

The free version is no longer available, but $12 is cheap:
https://ontargetshooting.com/ontarget-pc/#download-otpc

And you measure CTC for groups, easily done with On Target, OR if you have good clean target paper (you don't), measure edge to edge and subtract the diameter of a single bullet.

Edit to add: Excellent result!
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...Athlon Argos BTR 6-24x50...I love the scope but have not tried it past 100 so who knows what it will do at distance. The rifle was fine at 500 yards with a PA 4-14x44 FFP RGRID.

Not sure how to measure this. Is it from furthest cuts or a guess at bullet center to bullet center?
The one experience I had with Athlon scopes (not my own, but a person I was coaching for a LR clinic), he ran out of elevation with a Ruger RPR at 1,000 yards. Not sure if it was the same scope, but it was surprising to see the Athlon scope bottom out, even with a 20 MOA cant base on the RPR. Weird....

With regards to your measuring of the group, Use a program like "On Target" or use regular paper (not Shoot N C) and then measure from the edge-to-edge of the largest point of the group of the powder mark on the paper, then subtract the bullet diameter (0.264"). Some may argue that this is wrong, but it is close enough. With the Ontarget software, you can just ballpark the center of the bullet hole.
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where is the picture of the gun?


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You like that Athlon over the computer you had? lol

Why not get a Boyds stock? I know it will break the $1000 mark, but not by much.
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where is the picture of the gun?


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I'll post one up when I take it to my next range visit.

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You like that Athlon over the computer you had? lol

Why not get a Boyds stock? I know it will break the $1000 mark, but not by much.
The X-sight is more of a pig scope. I like it more at night with my Nitecore IR emitter. It has a completely different purpose. It is not bad for the price. It would be a decent spotting scope and recorder for night time "hunts". I already sold it so it was nice to test it out.

I got the athlon for free to see if I want to sell the product line. I have to return it if I don't want it or call athlon and pay dealer cost to keep it. I will probably keep it.

I don't think Boyds makes an ambi stock for the predator. I need to shoot left handed but make it so others can shoot right handed. There is some chassis for it that makes it look like a RPR but I am not putting more money into it unless I can't get to 1000 yards.

My friend and I cut out a trail on his property and put an 18" gong on a hill last Saturday. One spot gets us to 725-750 yards, another is 850 yards, and another is 1100-1150. The nice thing is the wind seems to be a fairly consistent 5mph to the right through the whole distance. Only drawback are rattlers on the hill. Now we have an 1100 yard gong ready to drive up to only 45 minutes away.
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Not sure how to measure this. Is it from furthest cuts or a guess at bullet center to bullet center?
Typically use a caliper to measure furthest cuts and subtract caliber to get center to center. Practically, just zero on an unfired bullet and measure largest cut.
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There's a long range shooting school in Idaho that recommends the Ruger American in 6.5 Creedmoor with some upgrades. Ruger must be doing something right for that kind of recommendation.
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There's a long range shooting school in Idaho that recommends the Ruger American in 6.5 Creedmoor with some upgrades. Ruger must be doing something right for that kind of recommendation.
It's their price point.
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I gotta agree on the price point thing, but for the price point its a pretty good rifle.

My American shoots pretty well, but the fit and finish of the rifle leaves a lot to be desired.

If there is one thing I could change it would be the magazine.

It hates shooting fire formed brass because sometimes it gets hung up in the magazine, as in the rotary feed sticks and wont move the next forward to feed, and the feel of the bolt close on a zero head space case is terrible. My Remington feels a lot better when shooting fire formed brass.

Even after going back to sized cases, one drop of the mag in light dry sand and I am back to having feed issues. Not much resistance to field conditions... I think it would make a terrible hunting rifle to be honest.
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Took the PPR out today. With 5mph wind I was sub moa at 815 yards with 3 shot groups at 7.93".
My ballistic sheet told me to come up 7.1 mils but I needed 7.3.

Moved back to 1125 yards and got 2 hits at sub moa but then the wind picked up and I could not get any more hits. I'll try again when I have time to go out.
I started at 12.2 mils but needed 13.3.

18" gong was a few feet higher than my portable bench.

815 yards was very easy to get on steel. 1125 was exponentially tougher. I never shot past 500 until today.
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Hey audiophil, just saw this. Magpul hunter stock for the PPR.

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2...uced-nra-2017/
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Hey audiophil, just saw this. Magpul hunter stock for the PPR.

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2...uced-nra-2017/
I saw that a few days ago. I'm really trying to keep the gun under $1000 so I will keep working on the factory stock.

I am confident I can stay under 1 moa at 1000 yards which was my goal of 1000 yards at 1 moa under $1000. I'm going to try the new 147 Hornady to see if it helps with wind.

We plan on trying again but starting very early. We left my house at 730 and we're shooting by 9. I only had about 1 hour after we moved to 1125 yards before the wind kicked up. I think we will leave so that daylight starts just after we have the target cam and table set up. Maybe leave here at 430. The plate faces due east so it shines nice in the morning.
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Quite a few people have filled the forend with various methods. here is a vid. A search on google brings up a bunch of hit. Mostly epoxy/metal or bondo.https://www.google.com/search?q=fixi...hrome&ie=UTF-8

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Quite a few people have filled the forend with various methods. here is a vid. A search on google brings up a bunch of hit. Mostly epoxy/metal or bondo.https://www.google.com/search?q=fixi...hrome&ie=UTF-8
It has the forend sanded down and JB weld handfitted. It is still to flimsy. I cannot load up on the bipod much at all. The buttstock was hogged out and filled with lead and sand. Not much more i can do there either.


I will have to try the more popular rifles to see how they compare. At 1125 yards I don't know if it is the gun or me that makes the reticle bounce around so much when aiming. At 24x the crosshairs are bouncing all over within the 18" plate and I just wait until it looks centered. I do know that every shot causes the rifle to turn to the left during recoil. I have to bring the retical about 10 mils ot the right when lining up for the next shot. I was able to stay within 3 moa on all my shots and 3 were 1 moa but I will try to figure out a way to make the gun recoil straight back to see if that helps. I'm left handed and shoot left handed so maybe its my should placement. I was sitting at a 20ish degree angle toward the rifle.
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Youtube project where the guy builds a $500 1000 yard Savage Axis with a Boyd stock. It's laminated wood so you can reshape it a bit if you want. In later videos he pillar beds the stock using steel spacers.

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Youtube project where the guy builds a $500 1000 yard Savage Axis with a Boyd stock. It's laminated wood so you can reshape it a bit if you want. In later videos he pillar beds the stock using steel spacers.
I could not find any of his videos where he actually shoots that $500 setup to 1000 yards. I'd like to see how it did.
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815 and 1125 yards. Never shot past 500 before.

update 5/7/17
I saved my 2 shooting spots and the gong in gps today and just plugged the numbers into google maps. The actual distances are 881 yards and 1221 yards. Looking at google maps and studying the terrain the 1221 distance makes more sense. MIL calculations vs. actual clicks also come closer with the 1200 ballistic data than the 1100 yard data.


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I could not find any of his videos where he actually shoots that $500 setup to 1000 yards. I'd like to see how it did.
He was planning to shoot it in a 1000 yard match in a 4/30 video but it was cancelled because of rain. I think he lives back east where it's hard to find places to shoot long range.

edit: His rig is not a $500 rig any more. The hundred dollar scope he was using just wasn't usable at 600+ yards, so he put a $300 Falcon on it.

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Damn nice shooting Phil!
Thanks. Now that I made those hits I plan on going out there and learning how to use my scope and get into all the technical aspects of shooting at distance.
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Thanks. Now that I made those hits I plan on going out there and learning how to use my scope and get into all the technical aspects of shooting at distance.


Let me know if I can tag along again.
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Thanks. Now that I made those hits I plan on going out there and learning how to use my scope and get into all the technical aspects of shooting at distance.
Check the videos from MRAD Outdoors. The guy appears to be a hell of a shot especially considering his ammo handicaps. He's in Ireland where handloading is not allowed and he can hardly find decent ammo to shoot. He's made a 1000 yard milk jug .308 shot with 155 gr factory ammo.
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Went out at 5am today to avoid late morning winds. Still, they were blowing 7-8mph almost consistently to the right and toward me.

1220 yards. Held it 81" to the left (2MIL)

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Let me know if I can tag along again.
I'll let you know. The spot I went to is a bit rougher than your truck can handle so we have to carpool. We spent another 4 hours wheeling after we shot and I almost got high centered on one spot where a local bulldozed berms into the road to keep people out.
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Nice, I like it... but the the dang thing cost almost as much as the rifle. That said, I could see myself getting one just to get away from those awful Ruger magazines.

The stock stock, hehe, isn't that bad depending on what you want to use it for... As something you might sling up and hike around with, its actually pretty decent.

Bench use, ehh, but at least their internal recoil / bedding lugs are decent. A lot better than what comes with the Hogue tupperware from Remington.
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hi audiophil2, again, may I join your Ruger Poverty Rifle club

right now the rifle was $399 + 35 DROS + 35 Sale Tax = $470
Vortex Ring (tactical, not the Precision Match/Seekins clone) = $38
Vortex Crossfire 6-20x 50mm = $180 (cabela discount stack)

I just ordered Boyd At-One stock, and i think that's ambi, $205 shipped, but that won't ship for a while. Also on order is a no name muzzle brake from Ebay for $20. I still a noob so using Caldwell front rest instead of a bipod, so at this point I am only at $913, but should still be enough for a Harris when its on discount.
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hi audiophil2, again, may I join your Ruger Poverty Rifle club

right now the rifle was $399 + 35 DROS + 35 Sale Tax = $470
Vortex Ring (tactical, not the Precision Match/Seekins clone) = $38
Vortex Crossfire 6-20x 50mm = $180 (cabela discount stack)

I just ordered Boyd At-One stock, and i think that's ambi, $205 shipped, but that won't ship for a while. Also on order is a no name muzzle brake from Ebay for $20. I still a noob so using Caldwell front rest instead of a bipod, so at this point I am only at $913, but should still be enough for a Harris when its on discount.
Welcome to the club.

It's been getting brutal over here in my circle of friends. This RPPR has been the center of some serious smack talk. Seems the guys with $3000+ rifles are not wanting to come out to shoot against me.

Feel free to post pics.
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as you know i shot it a week ago, group weren't tight by any means but i am somewhat satisfied. Will take it out another day and brace myself better, until the muzzle brake and Boyd stock arrive.
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as you know i shot it a week ago, group weren't tight by any means but i am somewhat satisfied. Will take it out another day and brace myself better, until the muzzle brake and Boyd stock arrive.
What type of ammo are you throwing though the RPPR?

I have a regular American, which has a lighter barrel than the Predator, but it still puts down a reasonable looking group. I would venture to guess brake and stock wont change any mechanical accuracy, but if it helps you get more comfortable behind the gun, that can help a lot of its a shooter issue. Ergonomics can go a long way sometimes.
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Not sure how to measure this. Is it from furthest cuts or a guess at bullet center to bullet center?...
Hey, you can't post a target that looks like it has two shots on it and also has two pasters on it and claim a small group. You are better than this let's see a clean target with at least 5 shots on it and then we will know what we are looking at.
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Seems the guys with $3000+ rifles are not wanting to come out to shoot against me.

Feel free to post pics.
Hum, "against me" sounds like you're one amazing shooter... considering you can get great groups without even knowing the range

I tend to shoot with people I like or am working with, not "against" those that know how connect like that at L81" -- opps sorry ..er, ah hold ah, hold 81" left.. claiming L2mil.. knowing the math would also help

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Hey, you can't post a target that looks like it has two shots on it and also has two pasters on it and claim a small group. You are better than this let's see a clean target with at least 5 shots on it and then we will know what we are looking at.
It was 3 shots on that bullseye. The stickers have zero to do with those 3 shots because they were from another attempt. I'm cheap and do not like to waste my shoot and see targets although sometimes those stickers fall off. While 5 shot groups are more typical and I try to make those it is not always going to happen. My mag hold 4 rounds and a box of ammo holds 20. I load whatever I have at the time into the mag so it might be 4, 3, 2, or 1 round.

I really don't want to go back to a public range to "prove" I can do it again. I hate public ranges and my gun is zero'd so there is no need. If I have to go again to zero another gun I'll bring the RPPR out to see if I can repeat it.

For what it's worth it took me about 100 rounds before I got that group. I had to keep adjusting my zero. I was so frustrated I finally picked the gun up to put it away and felt the scope wobble. I was trying to set zero on a loose scope. Rookie mistake. Once it was tightened I had my zero set after 4 rounds.

A few weeks after that 100 yard group I went back and shot this 200 yrd 4 shot group. That was on a shoot and see someone left behind. I was more happy about the free target than the group.



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Hum, "against me" sounds like you're one amazing shooter... considering you can get great groups without even knowing the range

I tend to shoot with people I like or am working with, not "against" those that know how connect like that at L81" -- opps sorry ..er, ah hold ah, hold 81" left.. claiming L2mil.. knowing the math would also help
I consider myself a novice but I am better than a typical guy at the range. I spend a lot of time teaching kids and women how to shoot for free.

The SIG Kilo was consistently off by 7.x% after we used the gps readings. Not very difficult to have the wrong range and make adjustments. I just used my holdover to walk onto the gong and then added in the clicks. Once distance was good I adjusted for wind. Took about 20 rounds since we did not see splash until the spotter zoomed out more.

My friends and I can compete with each other while teaching each other. Competition brings out big improvements. We don't have a designated safe space out here.
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It was 3 shots on that bullseye. The stickers have zero to do with those 3 shots because they were from another attempt. I'm cheap and do not like to waste my shoot and see targets although sometimes those stickers fall off. While 5 shot groups are more typical and I try to make those it is not always going to happen. My mag hold 4 rounds and a box of ammo holds 20. I load whatever I have at the time into the mag so it might be 4, 3, 2, or 1 round.



I really don't want to go back to a public range to "prove" I can do it again. I hate public ranges and my gun is zero'd so there is no need. If I have to go again to zero another gun I'll bring the RPPR out to see if I can repeat it.



For what it's worth it took me about 100 rounds before I got that group. I had to keep adjusting my zero. I was so frustrated I finally picked the gun up to put it away and felt the scope wobble. I was trying to set zero on a loose scope. Rookie mistake. Once it was tightened I had my zero set after 4 rounds.



A few weeks after that 100 yard group I went back and shot this 200 yrd 4 shot group. That was on a shoot and see someone left behind. I was more happy about the free target than the group.











I consider myself a novice but I am better than a typical guy at the range. I spend a lot of time teaching kids and women how to shoot for free.



The SIG Kilo was consistently off by 7.x% after we used the gps readings. Not very difficult to have the wrong range and make adjustments. I just used my holdover to walk onto the gong and then added in the clicks. Once distance was good I adjusted for wind. Took about 20 rounds since we did not see splash until the spotter zoomed out more.



My friends and I can compete with each other while teaching each other. Competition brings out big improvements. We don't have a designated safe space out here.


Ya, I was just busting your chops in fun.. yes, were lucky in the West wth lots of BLM, Private LR and Mil instillations. Long range shooting isn't hard to find out here..


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. My mag hold 4 rounds and a box of ammo holds 20. I load whatever I have at the time into the mag so it might be 4, 3, 2, or 1 round.
Don't let the magazine capacity hold you back...

I single load when shooting my rifle, and while I can load the rifle up without breaking my position or cheekweld, sometimes do break my cheek weld just for fun.

I think you might surprise yourself... It also doesn't make as much difference as you might think if you tuned the parallax out and get back behind the rifle in a consist way, it wont be a problem for you.

Try it... you might be pleasantly surprised.

If you want to single load with ur Ruger American, just put a small piece of electrical tape over the front of the magazine... Instant poverty based single shot sled. Would be the ideal solution for your RPPR.

I hate that magazine enough to single load with mine... so that's how I use my Ruger American.

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Ya, I was just busting your chops in fun.. yes, were lucky in the West wth lots of BLM, Private LR and Mil instillations. Long range shooting isn't hard to find out here..


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I'm having a hard time finding a 1 mile spot. I could drive more than 50 miles and find one but I'll probably hold off until the weather cools again.

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Don't let the magazine capacity hold you back...

I single load when shooting my rifle, and while I can load the rifle up without breaking my position or cheekweld, sometimes do break my cheek weld just for fun.

I think you might surprise yourself... It also doesn't make as much difference as you might think if you tuned the parallax out and get back behind the rifle in a consist way, it wont be a problem for you.

Try it... you might be pleasantly surprised.

If you want to single load with ur Ruger American, just put a small piece of electrical tape over the front of the magazine... Instant poverty based single shot sled. Would be the ideal solution for your RPPR.

I hate that magazine enough to single load with mine... so that's how I use my Ruger American.


I get in a comfort zone and stay that way for awhile. It took a friend to tell me to load the mag with 4 rounds and then manually load the 5th round because I just don;t think that far ahead sometimes. When I change mags or shoot single shot I wind up having to adjust all over again. Another issue I have to work on over time.
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