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Old 04-11-2017, 12:40 PM
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Default The Tonopah 2-mile match

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http://www.longrangeonly.com/forum/s...Aug-24-26-2017



The Tonopah 2-mile match is official and going forward. Dates are August 24 to 26 (site zeros on the 23rd)

As soon as the promotional materials are finalized I'll post them up. The Course of Fire is done and appears below. Couple of main points:

ranges 1,300, 1,600, 1,900, 2,200, 2,500, 2,800, 3,100, and 3,525. The site is virtually flat, so slope is not an issue.
50 lb. maximum for rifles
NO weight limit for gear, but you and your team need to be able to move it up onto the line in 2 - 3 minutes.
No real limit to how the rifle is supported (front rest is ok, so are bipods and/or, tripods) so are portable shooting tables.
You are allowed to obtain a site zero the day before the match starts
target are all 36" x 36"
shoot targets sequentially shortest to longest.
Will have a minimum of 45 - 60 minutes between shooting the various targets.
MUST get at least 1 hit on either the 1,300 or the 1,600 yard Targets to shoot the remaining targets
you have up to 5 shots to obtain 3 hits on each target at each distance
using a combined preparation and shooting time frame - total of 15 minutes to move your gear to the line, set up and shoot the 5 shots on the
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Please decode,"Will have a minimum of 45 - 60 minutes between shooting the various targets." Seems at 4 teams at a time...that could take 8 hours to process 32 teams. The environmental changes could be totally different.
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Not sure, but am guessing there would be a cap on entries to run it smoothly.
It is also a 3 day event so they may change time slots each day.
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Who's going to shoot the Tonopah 2-mile match ?
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There is talk about 2-3 NorCal shooters attending but it's during deer season so that may dampen the enthusiasm.
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There is talk about 2-3 NorCal shooters attending but it's during deer season so that may dampen the enthusiasm.
Wondering if someone in SoCal is going ?

Would love too . . .

But you know how it goes when you start with custom 'stuff' . . .
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I'm going
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WhiteMamba asked me if i wanted to go so that would be 3 and if we get Focus that would be four.
Apollo Shaun Brady and a host of others could go as well.
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WhiteMamba asked me if i wanted to go so that would be 3 and if we get Focus that would be four.
Apollo Shaun Brady and a host of others could go as well.
At least 3 would be good so we have a couple spotters.
I have a feeling it will be limited to 36 or 48 people at 12 squads of 3 or 4
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I was enthused at the initial announcement, but the details have me wavering.

4 days outside in the mid August Nevada desert don't sound like a lot of fun, and I have doubts about how far you'll be able to see 3' targets from the prone position when its 90+ degrees and flat terrain. A days travel each way and it becomes a 6 day adventure for 4 days of 5-10 shots a day.

I think it's a step in the right direction, but the details need a little refining.

I'm looking forward to the trip reports though.
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Not many other options at the moment . . .

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You just have to do your homework and have 4WD and know how to navigate in the dunes,

There are plenty of places on BLM land to shoot two miles plus. all with a perfect backstop of a mountain or naval gunnery range, but like I said you have to do your homework and that means buying maps and brushing up on your land nav

As for the heat... Sorry nothing can be done about that..
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You just have to do your homework and have 4WD and know how to navigate in the dunes,

There are plenty of places on BLM land to shoot two miles plus. all with a perfect backstop of a mountain or naval gunnery range, but like I said you have to do your homework and that means buying maps and brushing up on your land nav

As for the heat... Sorry nothing can be done about that..
Shooting at 2 miles in the desert works for sure

But than we still don't have a match ?

Can't beat myself over and over again 😉

The heat . . . well that another obstacle to beat

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But than we still don't have a match ?

Can't beat myself over and over again 😉

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Forget that beating other shooters is where it's at. I don't want a participation trophy i want the trophy that says Grand Champion!!!

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It's 65 degrees right now and raining in sunny northern California. I am so tired of all this rain i would be willing to lay on the ground and put a bipod on one of my guns.
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I may shoot in a match and I do every month at least twice. but I'm not there to compete against anybody BUT me. There is always a something to work on, be it breathing, wind reading, dealing with mirage, or just your own off day.
Being better then the guy next to you don't mean much to me. teaching, learning, and growing as a shooter means more.
Don't get me wrong !
I am a 'lonely' shooter as well
Gonna spend a ton of hours perfecting everything . . . alone in the desert . . .
But - for me at least - a match adds that little bit of extra nerves and stress
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I find I learn way more competing, but it's not everyone's cup of tea.. There are many reasons people compete;
To say you did it
To learn
To win
Hang out with your buddies
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Combination of above
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We can always go together if you want . . .
I am the rookie so I can only learn from you
And afterwards we can grab some milk . . .
Now I rather have a nice cold beer !
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Like I said I compete too. F Class Long Range. against some very talented shooters. But I'm there to learn, refine, and grow as a shooter, thats my mission currently. and it will change over time.
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It's 65 degrees right now and raining in sunny northern California. I am so tired of all this rain i would be willing to lay on the ground and put a bipod on one of my guns.
It's the mirage I'm worried about the most. I don't shoot at night, when the morning fog obscures the target, and have even been snowed out of a practice. At some point on a hot day, mirage becomes the same thing. I get up early to do ELR in August, and the mirage has shut it down by lunchtime. The NorCal range is really good for mirage. I think the elevation over the valley helps.

I don't want to criticize the event, discourage others from going, and really hope I'm wrong. I was mentioned, so I wanted to let the group of you I shoot with know I wasn't going to make this one. I'm 75 minutes from the NorCal URSA range and 35 minutes from a private ranch with the first half of that Tonopah course set up. I just don't have the incentives others might.

On the shooting alone thing, that's called practice and all winners do it. I can say from personal experience that if you gather up the equipment and find a place to do it, you won't need to shoot alone. Between the URSA and KO2M events, there have been more than enough scores posted to extract metrics to test you and your ideas against and monitor your progress.

Yea, when it happens, winning is fun. Watching someone who really knows what they're doing is fun too. Seeing all that expensive gear and figuring out what it is for has been brutal on the Visa card though.
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I PM'd JeffVN who is running the match when they first suggested it. Mentioned the mirage issue to him.
He shoots this location a lot and said mirage will not be a problem at that time of year... 5000 ft elevation
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I PM'd JeffVN who is running the match when they first suggested it. Mentioned the mirage issue to him.
He shoots this location a lot and said mirage will not be a problem at that time of year... 5000 ft elevation
So mirage is already solved . . . well lets hope !
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Woah that's just crazy talk. Lynn? Shooting prone? What's next, actual gunsmithing with a lathe that doesn't say "Black and Decker" on the side?

I'm going to skip the 3k match. Long story short I may be moving to Texas sooner rather than later.
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Woah that's just crazy talk. Lynn? Shooting prone? What's next, actual gunsmithing with a lathe that doesn't say "Black and Decker" on the side?

I'm going to skip the 3k match. Long story short I may be moving to Texas sooner rather than later.
Woooow moving ?

There's a big match in June 😉

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There's a big match in June 😉

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As early as the end of next month I could be living in Houston. But after pay increase and lower cost of living it ends up being equivalent to a 30% increase in what I take home at the end of the year.
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As early as the end of next month I could be living in Houston. But after pay increase and lower cost of living it ends up being equivalent to a 30% increase in what I take home at the end of the year.
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As early as the end of next month I could be living in Houston. But after pay increase and lower cost of living it ends up being equivalent to a 30% increase in what I take home at the end of the year.
Don't forget an 8-9% increase in pay due to lack of state taxes. you get a fat raise even if you moved at the same rate of pay.
I have a buddy that's moving to the fort worth area we talked about all the added funds he's going to have.
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damn near everything is cheaper east of the colorado river

If I didn't have a daughter split between two homes I'd be gone too.
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Hey Lynn, what are the rules against electromagnetic railguns? I'm thinking a 1000 grain solid brass projectile at Mach 6.

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I'll be honest, it was more of a joke than anything. In theory you could reverse engineer that Navy railgun and put it in a more compact package.

Heck, if you had access to additive manufacturing you could 3D print the barrels. The Navy runs a cooling liquid thorough their rails to reduce erosion.

The aluminum sabot acts like a sacrificial anode, destroying itself instead of the rails. The interesting thing is that the electromagnetic field forces the legs of the sabot apart so even though it is wearing away it retains constant contact.

I'd love to build a man portable one but I can't seem to find any data on how consistent they are from shot to shot.

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Now in theory since injection velocity plays a factor in final velocity you could use a smaller railgun at the end of a rifle barrel to boost the speed of the projectile significantly.

As an additional benefit the higher injection velocity reduces wear and tear on the rails.

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I wanna play!!! Kurt and I are in, good shooting with you guys this weekend Lynn.
Hey Bill,

Congrats on the 3K win

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I wanna play!!! Kurt and I are in, good shooting with you guys this weekend Lynn.
Congrats !

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Thanks you guys. Kurt and I had a good time, good group of guys to shoot with!
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Here is the link to the Tonapah 2 Mile Entry Packet

https://warner-tool.com/pages/tonopah-2-mile

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/16...39764854199354

So anyone heading out to the match from SoCal ?

From my place here in the desert it is 425 miles or 06:30 hours of driving

So heading to the match will be on the August 22 and return on August 27 - so 7 days away from home . . . lol
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