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Old 09-18-2017, 4:14 PM
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There is a 17% approval rating according to the Sheriff's Office. Make sure you do a really good job with your good cause statement, get help if you can, don't write that you buy a lot of stuff on Craigslist and meet Shady people and Shady spots that's not going to work, don't lie about anything, and be the 17%.
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So what could we, the gun owners of CoCoCo, do to change these outrages laws and regulations? Or at least make a change?
Put up a candidate for the next election cycle. The next election is June 5, 2018; that's only eight months away.

I think last time David Livingstone ran unopposed. He's so strong in his conviction because he can get away with it.
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Put up a candidate for the next election cycle. The next election is June 5, 2018; that's only eight months away.

I think last time David Livingstone ran unopposed. He's so strong in his conviction because he can get away with it.
IIRC, the cutoff for candidates to register is the end of January: that's only 4 months away. And before that, they've got to lock in support of politicos in the county: local, state and even national representatives (e.g., mayors in the county, congressional reps in the county).

IOW, there is literally no time to spare.
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IIRC, the cutoff for candidates to register is the end of January: that's only 4 months away. And before that, they've got to lock in support of politicos in the county: local, state and even national representatives (e.g., mayors in the county, congressional reps in the county).

IOW, there is literally no time to spare.
So, you can see that democracy is badly impaired or almost non-existent in this example, and many others in this State. If a good alternative candidate steps forward, those of us who care and can, should pump some money into his/her campaign.

We've been disenfranchised because, in a democracy, there are clear choices offered to We The People. Not here.

Taxation without representation was the theme of the Boston Tea Party...just another way to say it.
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What would be the competitor's platform positions that would A) overcome the incumbent advantage, and B) get you what you want

Sure you might be able to get a competitor elected who supports sanctuary cities, giving cops nerf guns etc, but that person is not going to give you CCW.

I thought I heard rumblings that there was another candidate for the next election.
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What would be the competitor's platform positions that would A) overcome the incumbent advantage, and B) get you what you want
Doesn't seem that hard. Here is Sheriff Livingston's platform position; just fill in the blanks: It is my honor to serve you as Sheriff-Coroner of Contra Costa County. As the former Chief of Police for the City of (blank), (Contra Costa County's (blank) city) and as the former Chief of Police in (blank), I am in a unique position to bring my experience and commitment for public safety to the entire county. With your help we will continue to bring crime down, hold criminals in jail, actively monitor those on parole or probation, fight to keep our communities safe, and uphold Amendment II of the United States Constitution.
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Doesn't seem that hard. Here is Sheriff Livingston's platform position; just fill in the blanks: It is my honor to serve you as Sheriff-Coroner of Contra Costa County. As the former Chief of Police for the City of (blank), (Contra Costa County's (blank) city) and as the former Chief of Police in (blank), I am in a unique position to bring my experience and commitment for public safety to the entire county. With your help we will continue to bring crime down, hold criminals in jail, actively monitor those on parole or probation, fight to keep our communities safe, and uphold Amendment II of the United States Constitution.
You just got my vote....
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There is a 17% approval rating according to the Sheriff's Office. Make sure you do a really good job with your good cause statement, get help if you can, don't write that you buy a lot of stuff on Craigslist and meet Shady people and Shady spots that's not going to work, don't lie about anything, and be the 17%.
Thanks for the input, I hope my GC is good enough to be in the 17%.
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Thanks for the input, I hope my GC is good enough to be in the 17%.
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Thanks for the input, I hope my GC is good enough to be in the 17%.
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I dont even have a speeding ticket but dont want to waste my time and $
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Looks like the sheriff's office has done a complete overhauled their website. It now has "CCW" beneath a small pistol symbol right on their homepage!
http://www.cocosheriff.org/

It links to a page with all the info about applying for a CCW.
http://www.cocosheriff.org/howdoi/ccw_permit.htm

The information on that page appears to be the same as on their 7 page application info .pdf:
http://www.cocosheriff.org/civicax/f...x?blobid=22733

I did not see any mention/info re. their Good Cause requirement. Perhaps someone in CoCoCo could contact them and post an update.

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For questions regarding the application process, contact:
Peter Enea, CCW Coordinator
Telephone: (925) 335-1547
Email: PEnea001@so.cccounty.us
I wonder if they're becoming less afraid of "Good Guys (and Gals!) with Guns"?
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Emailed.
That's no fun for the rest of us here in CoCo. :-( Can't share publicly?

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That's no fun for the rest of us here in CoCo. :-( Can't share publicly?

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I believe he was stating that he emailed the sheriff's office to get more information.
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I believe he was stating that he emailed the sheriff's office to get more information.
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Ah, sorry - immediately above my post was Paladin's posting of the contact email.

I thought 'Emailed' would be sufficient for 'thanks for the contact info, I sent email'
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Ah, sorry - immediately above my post was Paladin's posting of the contact email.

I thought 'Emailed' would be sufficient for 'thanks for the contact info, I sent email'
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Looks like the sheriff's office has done a complete overhauled their website. It now has "CCW" beneath a small pistol symbol right on their homepage!
http://www.cocosheriff.org/

It links to a page with all the info about applying for a CCW.
http://www.cocosheriff.org/howdoi/ccw_permit.htm

The information on that page appears to be the same as on their 7 page application info .pdf:
http://www.cocosheriff.org/civicax/f...x?blobid=22733

I did not see any mention/info re. their Good Cause requirement. Perhaps someone in CoCoCo could contact them and post an update.



I wonder if they're becoming less afraid of "Good Guys (and Gals!) with Guns"?
Thank you for sharing this info. At first it seemed encouraging. But then I realized that this Sheriff surely has not changed his anti-2A posture. As one who applied and was rejected with no reason, nothing adverse at all, other than the supposed failure to show good cause, I am not encouraged by this.

It is astonishing that it even mentions psychological testing in order to enjoy your Constitutional rights. Can't imagine the logic with that. It implies that, if they think the applicant has psych problems, they'll get him/her tested. Then if he/she passes the shrink test.....then what? Is this raising false expectations? (I have no psych problems and never had....just curious.)

By the way, when you do the electronic fingerprint scan, you are going to have to disclose your social security number in an insecure environment. Thus you are exposed to identity theft by the process itself.
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Thank you for your inquiry. “Good cause” is required by statute for a police chief or sheriff to issue a concealed weapons permit. The concept of “good cause” has also been the subject of extensive litigation in decisional law.

I handle the paperwork for permits but I am not involved in the decision on issuance of a permit. Sheriff Livingston personally considers if sufficient good cause exists to issue a permit for each application.

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So, no obvious policy change.
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I handle the paperwork for permits but I am not involved in the decision on issuance of a permit. Sheriff Livingston personally considers if sufficient good cause exists to issue a permit for each application.
So, no obvious policy change.
Subjective decisionmaking, not based upon an objective standard for Good Cause? If someone really wants a CoCoCo CCW, best to use the old "Billy Jack" approach of PRAs (backed by CBS v. Block), Salute v. Pitchess and Guillory v. Gates/County of Orange looking for possible 14th A Equal Protection violations (e.g., a "relaxed" standard for CCWers who are "Posse" members, "Friends of the Sheriff", donors to the sheriff's political campaign, etc).

Well, at least with "CCW" being out there front and center on their homepage, more folks who do qualify under the sheriff's restrictive policy will actually apply and get issued. More CCWers is always a "good thing." They may come across a BG before that BG crosses our paths.
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So, no obvious policy change.
In other words, in the reign of Sheriff Livingston, the 2nd Amendment exists only if, as, and when he bestows it on an individual of his choosing; only to those he chooses to favor. A disrespectful view of our Constitution.
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It is astonishing that it even mentions psychological testing in order to enjoy your Constitutional rights. Can't imagine the logic with that. It implies that, if they think the applicant has psych problems, they'll get him/her tested. Then if he/she passes the shrink test.....then what? Is this raising false expectations? (I have no psych problems and never had....just curious.)
Keep in mind that they are quoting the actual Penal Code, since that is where the option for the IA to use psych testing originates.
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Keep in mind that they are quoting the actual Penal Code, since that is where the option for the IA to use psych testing originates.
So, under this scenario, some sort of psychological "practitioner" will, in effect, decide some people's constitutional rights.

I will admit that, since most mass shootings are committed by either nut cases or Muslims, maybe there's some merit to the idea.
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So, under this scenario, some sort of psychological "practitioner" will, in effect, decide some people's constitutional rights.

I will admit that, since most mass shootings are committed by either nut cases or Muslims, maybe there's some merit to the idea.
I think it is Monterey Co that changed to SD = GC a few years ago on their own (new sheriff), but he required a psych eval from every initial applicant. IOW, he had no problem with "Good Guys with Guns", but he wanted to make sure you really were a GG before issuing. Personally, I have no problem with that, and if that's what it takes to get a county to "go green" on the map (and me get issued), I'm all for it.

Sonoma tired doing that (SD = GC but with psych eval) and to pass along the cost of the psych eval to the applicant, but the NRA threatened to sue the sheriff/county because that was against the law (which limited the cost of psych evals to less than the county would charge). I still think that was a dumb move on the NRA's part. Better to get a LOT of people issued, then (1) the sheriff would get comfortable with issuing with SD = GC, (2) the local media would see that, like everywhere else that's Shall Issue/SD = GC, there's no "blood in the streets" shootouts over fender-benders and parking spaces, and (3) that base of CCWers would bring political pressure on the sheriff to lower the cost of the psych eval or eliminate it. Plus, IIRC, it too was only for initial applicants, not renewals, so it was a one-time cost.

ETA: For newbies, here's "the map" I was referring to.

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