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Basking in the post-Heller glow of a mere four years ago, you confidently state that the information you provide to your government will not be used against you in any way, shape or form. How confidently can you make that assertion as it pertains to your children? Your grandchildren? I guess you're willing to take that chance on their behalves. |
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"And across the lives of most men run stretches of Goodwin Sand;
And across the life of a nation, as across the track of a ship, Lies the hidden rock, or the iceberg, within the horizon dip. And wise men know them, and warn us, with lightship, or voice, or pen; But we strike, and the fool survivors sail on to strike again." In 1982, they introduced registration, the government of the day guaranteed they would not limit the number or type of guns we were "allowed" to own. In 1982, they banned the private ownership of semi-auto centre fire rifles, they knew who had them, because they were registered. They also introduced "permits to purchase" which required licence holders to apply to a Sergeant of Police for permission to purchase a firearm. Private sales were banned. In 1996, they banned semi and pump shotguns and semi rimfires, they knew who had them, they were registered. "Permits to purchase" became "applications to acquire" and required a twenty eight day cooling off period before issue. In 2002, they came after most pistols, they knew who had them, they were registered. They also required the registration of most antiques. In 2010, they banned imitation longarms, you're not even allowed to hang a non-firing replica musket above your mantlepiece. The anti's are now pushing for a total ban on the private ownership of pistols and all centrefire rifles. Do not go down the "Australian road". |
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I will respond with a couple simple questions.
What's so good about registration? What does it gain me or anybody else for someone to know what I own? And I will bet I will not get a logical response.
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That's only because it's one of those idiot comments that make gun owners look stupid.
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We're our own worst enemy here folks. Let's just agree to disagree on things, for if we stay fixated on those disagreements, we will surely lose in the end.
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In a state where corruption abounds, laws must be very numerous. Publius Cornelius Scipio Tyranny is defined as that which is legal for the government but illegal for the citizenry. ― Thomas Jefferson Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other. John Adams Last edited by tuolumnejim; 07-23-2012 at 5:08 PM.. |
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Perhaps the most important question is the opposite of the one that began this thread. So what's good about registration?
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I think he was just sarcastically taking a jab at RMP91.
ETA: Sorry, my memory served me poorly. It appears to have been directed at surfNshoot.
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It was sarcasm, I was referencing this post
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In a state where corruption abounds, laws must be very numerous. Publius Cornelius Scipio Tyranny is defined as that which is legal for the government but illegal for the citizenry. ― Thomas Jefferson Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other. John Adams |
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Easier not to register in the first place. Besides, do you really think they will buy the boating accident excuse. If it is time to bury your guns, it is time to dig them up...
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gun registration should just have one question on it. "Do you own guns?" followed by 2 check boxes. 1 for yes and the other for no. And that is all the registration questions that need be asked by our government.
Why does the government need to know what type of gun I own? Does it really matter? Why does the government need to know how many I have? I can only use 1 or 2 at a time. So if I own over 2 guns then does it matter how many more I own? Lets say the government knows I own 3 big bad as rifles and a kick as pistol. How will that info help government? Does that info help government? It would be great info for ammo and gear manufacturers and retailers but I fail to see how this info is helpful to the government. In fact this government run database actually costs money to keep running and maintain! So a better question is how much is this useless database of gun owners costing the tax payers? |
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Hint here, the 2nd Amendment isn't much use when the copper points his M16 at you and says he's taking your guns, and you can't prove anything, because he isn't giving receipts out today. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K52h9m0_OiY |
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If only things were as safe and settled in America as you seem to assume. But the level of security of our gun-rights which you take for granted, will in reality not be achieved until decades from now. The power of the anti-gun movement in America peaked as recently as 1994. True enough the tide has turned in a dramatic fashion since then, but the fight is only at a climax and it is far from over. In other English speaking nations, the anti-gunners have all but won. Only Canada shows some small signs of reversing the inevitable tide of total gun prohibition, a tide which has swamped the UK and is busy swallowing up Australia. DC v Heller was in 2008! McDonald v Chicago was in 2010! And both those cases were decided by a razor thin 5 to 4 vote. Even worse, the minority opinion in McDonald v Chicago let it be known that they want to overturn DC v Heller. If Obama is reelected and appoints one more anti-gun justice to the two he has already appointed to the US Supreme Court, the 2nd Amendment is as good as dead. That's how close and how tight the battle for gun-rights remains, even today. Yet you casually assume that any interference in our gun rights will be overturned in Federal Court? Are you paying attention to recent events? The handgun bans in Chicago and Washington DC were just struck down, and yet people still can't get handguns there due to the obstinate and illegal resistance of the anti-gun city governments. The registration law you suggest would work so well is just like the NYC Sullivan law. The reality of such laws is they are tools used by anti-gunners to suppress ordinary gun ownership and gun-rights. Our nation has a decades long history of governments abusing laws which regulate guns. That's why legal concealed carry was almost dead in our country for fifty years, and has only recently revived. |
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For all those who believe that registration is harmless, there's one aspect I neglected to mention, legislated "safekeeping" requirements.
Once the powers that be know exactly who owns what, they begin legislating who can keep what and the manner in which it can be kept. Police cannot enter my neighbour's home without a search warrant. At my home, they can enter and search at any time, night or day, on the basis of a "safekeeping" inspection, because I have firearms registered on the premises. Any attempt to deny enter may result in force being used, and will result in the confiscation of all arms and ammunition and cancellation of licence. With apologies to Goodwin, there's a word for people who lawfully own guns in any jurisdiction requiring registration, they're called "untermensch" |
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Aside from being suspected of trolling, I did not see anything close to being a personal attack on you. On the other hand, you resorted to the watered-down insult of "tin foil hats" to characterize anyone who believed in confiscation (ignoring, of course, people here who have had actual experience with confiscation.) If you staked out a position, and were willing to defend it, I think you would have gotten a lot more respect. Too bad. But I'm not sure what type of reaction you expected posting a loose argument in favor of gun registration on a gun forum, in the 2A section. |
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Unless you bought your guns illegally, they already do! A.W.D.
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I got guns I bought at yard sales etc before the FFL requirment. So NO THEY DON'T KNOW & I DID NOTHING ILLEGAL |
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What about the guns purchased across our country "through the system?" These are known about, and this data could be quite easily turned into a database/registry of firearms and owners. I think we are all naive to think that it isn't already the case. Also, there is no reason to yell. My question was meant to make you think about things a bit - outside a small set of circumstances compared to all guns sold nationwide. A.W.D.
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That's an answer to an entirely different question than the one I asked.
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Care to comment on the challenges of developing an orthogonal, normalized data set from such a spectacularly disparate input stream? The go'vt might know WHO has firearms but they don't know WHAT they have. ...then there's always the 80%s
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What's your point? The law was overturned by Judge Warren before it could have taken effect. You realize handguns are not banned in SF, yes?
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These opening posts have a familiar lifespan, we saw it in the "should we be limited to 10 rounds?" thread. They read the same as the "gee whiz guys, I heard something bad about the Remington 700 trigger - tell me it isn't so" in which the "open minded" poster asks opinions, hasn't made up his mind and is looking for some honest discussion. Of course he's not and that soon becomes evident. Whether they're even gun owners, who knows. But it soon becomes very clear their minds are made up, the harsh comments fly and an "I'm out of here" (which never seems to take ... ) is offered. The larger issue is that gun owners supporting gun control causes us injury because in addition to being a legal issue gun control is a political issue. When gun owners allow that some gun control is OK they are pointed out by the Brady's and Bloombergs, the Schumers as "one of them says it's OK". When a few CA gun owners take a "OK, it's not too bad" approach to a particular aspect of gun control such as the AW ban, mag limits, the roster, "gun show loophole", etc - well is it any surprise gun owners in other states don't consider us much of an asset and do the "it's your own fault" routine? I wonder, how would NAACP react if some of their members said "well, a little racism and inequality is OK"? How far would ACLU get if their member attorneys believed "a little bit of civil rights violation is OK"? CA gun owners may end up with the sh*t end of the stick, but that doesn't mean we have to smile & ask for the sh*t end of the stick. Last edited by dfletcher; 07-24-2012 at 12:49 PM.. |
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Just pointing out to the casual reader what's going on in my own round about way.
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Go look at San Fransisco. They are trying to put meters in your car and charge i believe .11 a mile to drive in the Bay Area. Imagine living there and having to pay to drive daily. Not that i go there but I will never go there if they do this.
My point is as others have said give an inch .. |
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I'll be so glad when we finally go to Nevada full time and I can cash and carry whatever I'd like again.
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And I ask again. What benefit does this info serve our government? Lets stop and think about confiscation for a bit here. Average town of 2000 has what a sheriff and a couple deputies. Total of 3 law versus 1997 citizens. How will they confiscate? Los Angeles population around 3mil with a police force of 12000. How are those 12000(3000 civilian staff) going to confiscate all your firearms? How long would it take from the first confiscation for this to air on all major news channels? What would be the reaction from gun owners nation wide? On a side note to my comment on the gun registration being only one question. Do you own yes or no. I did state only ONE UNO question! How do you all figure the link of that one question to come back to you? Did I say it should ask for your name, address and phone? narp! |
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What good would come out of registering guns? Nothing would change except the gov't would know what you have. I don't want them to know that kind of information.
The way I see it confiscation isn't that remote of an possibility. It has happend in the past to other countries. Right now the NRA is fighting the good fight but there could come a time when they aren't able to any more. Then nothing would stop the anti's I am not a Respectfully
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