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Old 01-13-2020, 8:58 PM
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Imagine what the state government would do if gun owners or manufacturers refused to comply with a new law in California.
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Wait, laws are supposed to be followed in CA?
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Everyone TALKS a great game, but NO ONE actually DOES IT. You see, the great founders could defy the might of the most powerful empire in the world, but the source of that power was 3 THOUSAND miles and two months sailing away! It's quite a different thing when the authority you are resisting can be at your front door at any time day or night in 15 minutes! We really NEED to knock off the hollow rhetoric and be realistic in these endeavors. Our ONLY recourse is with the courts.
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Everyone TALKS a great game, but NO ONE actually DOES IT. You see, the great founders could defy the might of the most powerful empire in the world, but the source of that power was 3 THOUSAND miles and two months sailing away! It's quite a different thing when the authority you are resisting can be at your front door at any time day or night in 15 minutes! We really NEED to knock off the hollow rhetoric and be realistic in these endeavors. Our ONLY recourse is with the courts.

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Everyone TALKS a great game, but NO ONE actually DOES IT. You see, the great founders could defy the might of the most powerful empire in the world, but the source of that power was 3 THOUSAND miles and two months sailing away! It's quite a different thing when the authority you are resisting can be at your front door at any time day or night in 15 minutes! We really NEED to knock off the hollow rhetoric and be realistic in these endeavors. Our ONLY recourse is with the courts.
We must fight every inch in the courts but that isn't our only option.

We should continue to develop compliance devices such that we will never be forced to disarm. The grabbers banned by name and thought they won, then by feature, and each time we have found a way to persevere. Showing them we won't comply with their wishes is just as important as winning cases. It proves the futility of their actions.

Complying with the law isn't complying with their wishes. Their goal is to disarm all Americans. If putting a mag lock or a fin grip is what is needed to stop disarming in the short term, fine. Giving in is what they want and it is what we must resolve to never do.
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Something is happening in America on Monday Jan. 20th. In Virginia and in California and many places in between. It will not be a day of violence but a day in support of the 2nd Amendment. But if the Democrats decide to violate the Constitution, that could well lead to violence.

As much as we try to find a peaceful solution to the assault on the 2A by the Democratic Marxists...they appear determined to cause open civil war. That means each and every one of us has to prepare to surrender or fight. Many if not most of us are not trained for what will probably come...and now is the time to correct that defect in our nature. I suggest everyone find and view the 1958 movie "Battle for Algiers"...a French film about the Algerian revolt.

Sometimes fascism comes from the right, sometimes from the left...today in America it is the Democrats that are Fascists. Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Castro, Soros and Bloomberg, the Governor of Virginia...all fascists. The French were the fascists in the battle of Algiers...and the movie documents how the Algerians fought back. Consider it as a training film for what we may very well find ourselves facing if the Governor of Virginia...and officials in other states, move against the 2nd Amendment. Study the film for what Algerians did and how they did it, against overwhelming military odds. This is what America may now be facing after decades of Democratic Marxist Fascism destroying our courts and our schools and our state and local governments.

People have never won nor maintained their freedom by asking for it from a tyrant. They have had to fight for it and claim it with the blood of their patriotism. Not a happy picture, but America has been here before. Now it is up to each of us to decide if we are willing to fight against tyranny if that is what history asks of us. If that is what it will take to keep America, America.
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Ah the courts. A system designed by lawyers for lawyers. Who benefits from a court battle? Lawyers. Who starts a court battle? Lawyers. Who prolongs a court battle? Lawyers. Who wins on every side of a court battle? Need I say it?
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I don’t see how they could be forced to do it after all they are all apps and they can pick and choose what they want to do and when they want to work for the app California is just trying to get more people to pay into state fund worker’s compensation since They do not have a loss run report for at least 3 years for workers comp
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In New York and Conn less than 10% registered their "Assault Weapons" after mandatory registration a few years back.
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https://www.npr.org/2020/01/04/79314...ries-push-back

Imagine what the state government would do if gun owners or manufacturers refused to comply with a new law in California.
The great majority of California gun owners have not complied with registering what California calls "assault" rifles in the last two registrations.

That's per DOJ estimates that only 8 to 10 percent of the guns were actually registered.


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Everyone TALKS a great game, but NO ONE actually DOES IT. You see, the great founders could defy the might of the most powerful empire in the world, but the source of that power was 3 THOUSAND miles and two months sailing away! It's quite a different thing when the authority you are resisting can be at your front door at any time day or night in 15 minutes! We really NEED to knock off the hollow rhetoric and be realistic in these endeavors. Our ONLY recourse is with the courts.
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On Calguns, anyway.
Winner.

Calguns.net has around 20 thousand active members. Run the numbers and tell me what the rest of California's gun owners are doing. Looks like nada / zilch. And good on them for having the courage not to comply.

As always, Calguns.net suggests you obey California's weapons laws.
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If you don't follow/obey the unconstitutional guns laws here then you can get charged as a criminal.

If you are a criminal, none of these laws matter.
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Our ONLY recourse is with the courts.

And when they aren't? What happens then?
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In the first place the article seems misleading as Uber and Lift did in fact take this to court and the State of California negotiated a deal with them to postpone their compliance pending the court hearing in exchange for Uber and Lift agreeing to specific terms of the deal.

So this is hardly "refusing to comply"
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The great majority of California gun owners have not complied with registering what California calls "assault" rifles in the last two registrations.

That's per DOJ estimates that only 8 to 10 percent of the guns were actually registered.
That seems to be a high estimate. We know that approximately 64K AWs were registered. CADOJ estimated and budgeted for 1.5 MILLION AWs, so our response was in line with the new York and Conn. responses at UNDER 5%.

VA threatened to BAN AWs completely and then backed off to just registration and ban of future sales. How many VA resident do you think will register? I'm thinking pretty much none...

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If you don't follow/obey the unconstitutional guns laws here then you can get charged as a criminal.

If you are a criminal, none of these laws matter.
I'm just not seeing the number of arrests I'd expect with that many gun owners saying foad to the DOJ.


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That seems to be a high estimate. We know that approximately 64K AWs were registered. CADOJ estimated and budgeted for 1.5 MILLION AWs, so our response was in line with the new York and Conn. responses at UNDER 5%.

VA threatened to BAN AWs completely and then backed off to just registration and ban of future sales. How many VA resident do you think will register? I'm thinking pretty much none...

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The 8 to 10% has kind of been a constant here...nice to see < 5% if correct.

VA has a come to Jesus demo next Monday, as does California, apparently in Sac and someplace in socal.
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Calguns.net has around 20 thousand active members. Run the numbers and tell me what the rest of California's gun owners are doing. Looks like nada / zilch. And good on them for having the courage not to comply.

As always, Calguns.net suggests you obey California's weapons laws.
I've seen posts on Ig about a 2A rally being held in Sac at the capital on Monday to show solidarity with Virginia but looking in this section the thread made about it died off quickly.

Seems most are just happy to have work arounds to keep their guns instead of being vocal and showing a presence. Pretty sad we have a ton of gun owners in this state yet any time there is a rally only 100-200 people bother to show up.
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I've seen posts on Ig about a 2A rally being held in Sac at the capital on Monday to show solidarity with Virginia but looking in this section the thread made about it died off quickly.

Seems most are just happy to have work arounds to keep their guns instead of being vocal and showing a presence. Pretty sad we have a ton of gun owners in this state yet any time there is a rally only 100-200 people bother to show up.
No disagreement...I grew up in San Mateo county. A high school buddy and I would bring our .22's to school on Fridays and split over to the coast. We'd find a high berm and shoot toward it at low tide. Occasionally a deputy might stop by just to make sure we were very safe. No hassles whatsoever.

Where I'm at now, in a state with less than a million and a half people we can pack the Capitol steps and a few blocks either side of it, all while carrying what California calls "assault" rifles with high capacity mags, locked and loaded. Same as early California...no hassles.
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Rights and liberty may only be obtained and preserved by force or threat of force. We, as free people, have not only the right but the duty to oppose tyranny and oppression, not just for ourselves, but for posterity.

To restrict our efforts to the courts (which are not not dear friends to our liberty.) is as good as waiting idly by for an opportunity to surrender.

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Rights and liberty may only be obtained and preserved by force or threat of force. We, as free people, have not only the right but the duty to oppose tyranny and oppression, not just for ourselves, but for posterity.

To restrict our efforts to the courts (which are not not dear friends to our liberty.) is as good as waiting idly by for an opportunity to surrender.

Choose today, where you will make your last stand.

So how do people not comply when they work in a job that requires them to have no arrests?
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californians are quickly approaching a decision time that the democrats are forcing on them. But any violence has to be done in self-defense and plenty of witnesses need to be present. A year ago anyone suggesting a violent defense of 2A on this forum was laughed at but it does not sound like people are laughing now. No one wants violence but do you honestly think liberal leftists are going to just hand your bill of rights back to you especially 2A? The colonial farmers were not trained soldiers but they fought the odds and lack of weapons to earn their rights and freedom. the British used many foreign troops so they were not short soldiers. The American made sure far more enemy fell than Americans that turned the tide. Snipers, ambushes, etc helped the colonies win. anyone can come up with reasons to surrender and act like sheep. But with the number of weapons dropping out of the system and people refusing to use DROS/CFARS and their recording system for future confiscation will collapse. I applaud the gun owners who get to know each other and remove guns from the system. But if you think the gun organizations or gun shops are going to support defying a system that helps pay their paychecks you have anything coming.
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So how do people not comply when they work in a job that requires them to have no arrests?
Choose what you value more, your liberty or your vocation.

It is possible to balance both, if you aren't a loudmouth.
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They just want your money and get rid of your freedoms as in the AB5 and the 2nd Amendment.
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You already have the highest total combined state sponsored taxes in the nation, you probably have the highest crime rates in many areas and categories including gangland mass murders, the highest welfare costs, and the biggest homeless population in the nation because your governor promised each of the above groups freebies based on taxing you more and more. plus stripping you of your rights, you right to defend yourself, and cops who have the best pensions plans.Who do you think they are going to side with when they are told to arrest you or take your property without due process? Well lets see how many of you lose everything in the next five years and find yourselves with technical felonies on your records. blame the companies for not hiring you when they can waive almost anything they want in the hiring practice. those are your company's faults. but you are in a circular argument until you say stop and I won't go any further. Wrong is wrong and here i stand hopefully with friends. the bottom line is that if a law harms a citizen or citizens and benefits the government then it is most likely wrong. Your time for thinking is running out and you know it but keep that head in the sand while the government lights up the other end with a flamethrower and calls you a terrorist.

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Don't you hate it when someone leaves CA and then tells those that stayed to "Do something"?
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So how do people not comply when they work in a job that requires them to have no arrests?
Not complying does not equal automatic arrest. If it did, you'd see massive arrests of the 95% of Californians who decided not to comply.


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You already have the highest total combined state sponsored taxes in the nation, you probably have the highest crime rates in many areas and categories including gangland mass murders, the highest welfare costs, and the biggest homeless population in the nation because your governor promised each of the above groups freebies based on taxing you more and more. plus stripping you of your rights, you right to defend yourself, and cops who have the best pensions plans.Who do you think they are going to side with when they are told to arrest you or take your property without due process? Well lets see how many of you lose everything in the next five years and find yourselves with technical felonies on your records. blame the companies for not hiring you when they can waive almost anything they want in the hiring practice. those are your company's faults. but you are in a circular argument until you say stop and I won't go any further. Wrong is wrong and here i stand hopefully with friends. the bottom line is that if a law harms a citizen or citizens and benefits the government then it is most likely wrong. Your time for thinking is running out and you know it but keep that head in the sand while the government lights up the other end with a flamethrower and calls you a terrorist.
The "time for thinking" passed around 15 or 20 years ago.


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Don't you hate it when someone leaves CA and then tells those that stayed to "Do something"?
I hate it a lot more when I see Californians doing nothing but stewing in the pot.
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So where is the trap? who left and is telling others to do something they would not? quiet resistance is not a trap. Non-cooperation is not a trap. so what are you talking about?
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Imagine what the state government would do if gun owners or manufacturers refused to comply with a new law in California.
Uber and Lyft can spend millions of dollars on lawyers and will pay a fine if they lose.

Individual gun owners cannot and will spend up to eight years in prison for each offense if they lose.

It's not the same thing.
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I'm just not seeing the number of arrests I'd expect with that many gun owners saying foad to the DOJ.
Like in any fascist state the laws here are selectively enforced. If they like you, you skate. If not, stacking of charges is the result.

It's no different than in the USSR. If you are a party member you are safe. Registering Democrat and contributing to their political campaigns is your best defense here besides moving.
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I hate it a lot more when I see Californians doing nothing but stewing in the pot.

The best part is when, after years of them doing nothing, something happens in Sacramento and they all come running, screaming: "Where was the NRA?"

The only answer is: "Where the hell were you?"
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The colonial farmers were not trained soldiers but they fought the odds and lack of weapons to earn their rights and freedom.
Joint a quick note about history because I've seen this mentioned a bunch in other places, but this is actually (relatively speaking) untrue. The French and Indian War ended only 12 years prior to the shooting start of the American Revolution. Given that the Stamp Act Congress occurred only 2 years following the Treaty of Paris and this was the beginning of the end of British colonial rule over the colonies, plenty of Colonists were actually combat veterans (approximately 1% or roughly 25-30,000 colonials fought in the course of the war) at the time the colonial militias began forming. This meant the initial militias (which were every able-bodied male between 16 and 60) included people who were war veterans. In addition to, these militias regularly trained (literally weekly) and fought the initial battles against the British. By the time the Continental Army formed, the colonials created a training program and soldiers serving under Washington did receive some (albeit rudimentary by modern standards) training. In fact, an interesting note from history is the colonials were generally better marksmen than their British counterparts. They also utilized cover which was considered a "cowardly" way to fight. This is why sniper attacks and ambushes (particularly at the beginning of the war) were so effective. These tactics were directly related to the colonists experience fighting during the French and Indian Wars.

Furthermore, while they lacked as many heavy weapons as the British (in particular warships), they did have cannon and rifles stockpiled in relatively significant numbers. The whole "shot heard 'round the world" occurred because the British came to seize stockpiled arms and ammunition.

On a totally unrelated side note, Americans now have far more firearms- and ammunition-per-person stockpiled than they did during the Revolution and close to 1% of the US population are Iraq or Afghan war veterans. Just some food for thought.
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Take out the calgunners who are overweight, unhealthy, unfit, are sole family providers or have critical jobs and cannot afford to break the law. You are left with a small fraction that would be willing to fight the system outside the law.
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Many of my friends and other gun owners I know have entirely lost faith in the court system. Honestly who can blame them. Even when we get wins, we manage to spend 2 years fighting to get one law off the books, then in those 2 year 18 more get drafted into law.

It seems many are now ready to move on from the "jurors box" to the "ammo box", but I wonder if there is a middle ground. Maybe it is time for some peaceful OPEN non-compliance? Its one thing to carry a gun around without a permit, or to not neuter your rifles and hide them in the safe, but does that really "help the cause"? Besides preparing for the boogaloo, does it really do anything to help 2A rights today?

Is it time for some more open non-compliance? Should we do something as brazen as get a large group of people to do an open carry demonstration somewhere where it is clearly illegal? Its one thing when 3 guys with 3 rifles each wander around a walmart to make a political statement, but what would it be like if there was a massive amount of people? Some of these rallys can have several hundred or thousands of people, and if a good majority was armed, but also displaying some sort of clear "Peaceful non-compliance" statement (signs ect...) it could make a big statement.

There are some very obvious problems though with this. Mainly, getting your *** arrested (or worse), which is something that can literally ruin peoples lives. I have less to lose than most, just a small business and some other assets, but some people have jobs, lives, children, pensions, that could all go away in the blink of an eye, and I still struggle with this idea.

I don't proclaim to have the answers, but Its just something we ALL have to think about.

Sooner or later we will have to choose. Whats more important, our principles and freedoms, or our lives and loved ones. Its not an easy choice
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Take out the calgunners who are overweight, unhealthy, unfit, are sole family providers or have critical jobs and cannot afford to break the law. You are left with a small fraction that would be willing to fight the system outside the law.
3% ?
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I've seen posts on Ig about a 2A rally being held in Sac at the capital on Monday to show solidarity with Virginia but looking in this section the thread made about it died off quickly.

Seems most are just happy to have work arounds to keep their guns instead of being vocal and showing a presence. Pretty sad we have a ton of gun owners in this state yet any time there is a rally only 100-200 people bother to show up.
I don't believe for a second that groups of people with signs and chanting or whatever do **ANYTHING AT ALL** to enact ANY kind of change what so ever.

Honestly... The people you are protesting at/about... are just laughing at you the whole time.

It is completely meaningless and ineffectual and a total waste of time.

Though it *might* make you feel better about yourself- since you can claim you "did something"?

Net effect...
Zero change-
You wasted several hours of your time.
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Everyone TALKS a great game, but NO ONE actually DOES IT. You see, the great founders could defy the might of the most powerful empire in the world, but the source of that power was 3 THOUSAND miles and two months sailing away! It's quite a different thing when the authority you are resisting can be at your front door at any time day or night in 15 minutes! We really NEED to knock off the hollow rhetoric and be realistic in these endeavors. Our ONLY recourse is with the courts.
Yeah let's just leave the Revolutionary War out of the equation.
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I realize that a lot of people are rightfully hesitant to speak of things, but the whole "refusing to comply" hit a new tier after the bullet button ARs went away. It might not be open or "in your face" but it's definitely there. Maybe it's not an experience shared by everyone, but from my own view, I don't know anyone who is actually compliant with the law anymore (except myself and you fine folks, of course).

It's like taxes. You push people to a point and then people stop caring and stop abiding or they go out of their way to avoid it. I think California already crossed that bridge with gun laws. Two months ago I was at the range and someone was shooting an AR SBR with 30 round magazines (yes it had a stock and not a brace). This is the second time in a year someone was at the range with an SBR. Not counting the number of people who just show up with their ARs with every evil feature. No one says anything. No one cares. I can't remember a time during the bullet button days I went to the range and saw people with non-CA legal items. Now it's literally every time.

Slightly shifting gears now but I think the difference between California and Virginia is largely the result of the speed of change. California eroded rights slowly whereas Virginia just decided to throw caution to the wind and go for Gold. Also plenty of people just abandoned California when it hit the tipping point. This just created a snowball effect. Worse still, because everyone is so demoralized, people don't even bother showing up and voting because they don't believe it can bring change. There's still plenty of non-progressives in the state. It's just they're all demoralized and hold defeatist attitudes.
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If we are talking about people that don't hang out here how many even know their bullet button AR purchased years ago is no longer compliant?
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Take out the calgunners who are overweight, unhealthy, unfit, are sole family providers or have critical jobs and cannot afford to break the law. You are left with a small fraction that would be willing to fight the system outside the law.
Then you're between the rock and the hard place. That said, sounds like the result might be your choice of a revolver or if you luck out, a single-shot .22.


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Many of my friends and other gun owners I know have entirely lost faith in the court system. Honestly who can blame them. Even when we get wins, we manage to spend 2 years fighting to get one law off the books, then in those 2 year 18 more get drafted into law.

It seems many are now ready to move on from the "jurors box" to the "ammo box", but I wonder if there is a middle ground. Maybe it is time for some peaceful OPEN non-compliance? Its one thing to carry a gun around without a permit, or to not neuter your rifles and hide them in the safe, but does that really "help the cause"? Besides preparing for the boogaloo, does it really do anything to help 2A rights today?

Is it time for some more open non-compliance? Should we do something as brazen as get a large group of people to do an open carry demonstration somewhere where it is clearly illegal? Its one thing when 3 guys with 3 rifles each wander around a walmart to make a political statement, but what would it be like if there was a massive amount of people? Some of these rallys can have several hundred or thousands of people, and if a good majority was armed, but also displaying some sort of clear "Peaceful non-compliance" statement (signs ect...) it could make a big statement.

There are some very obvious problems though with this. Mainly, getting your *** arrested (or worse), which is something that can literally ruin peoples lives. I have less to lose than most, just a small business and some other assets, but some people have jobs, lives, children, pensions, that could all go away in the blink of an eye, and I still struggle with this idea.

I don't proclaim to have the answers, but Its just something we ALL have to think about.

Sooner or later we will have to choose. Whats more important, our principles and freedoms, or our lives and loved ones. Its not an easy choice
Life is always about choices, all the time...no surprise. Some people hold that their principles also include freedom, our lives, and those of our loved ones...i.e., they're all homogenized together and you can't pick through them as individual choices...at least that's my judgement.



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I don't believe for a second that groups of people with signs and chanting or whatever do **ANYTHING AT ALL** to enact ANY kind of change what so ever.

Honestly... The people you are protesting at/about... are just laughing at you the whole time.

It is completely meaningless and ineffectual and a total waste of time.

Though it *might* make you feel better about yourself- since you can claim you "did something"?

Net effect...
Zero change-
You wasted several hours of your time.
I've noticed that here with increasing frequency of those opinions over the years. Again, not news and not especially surprising.


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If we are talking about people that don't hang out here how many even know their bullet button AR purchased years ago is no longer compliant?
Ignorance of the law, etc. Not choosing the reasonable, common sense choice can get you in trouble...but anecdotally, at least to me, assume a million gun owners in California, and assume 5% have registered, that leaves you with 950,000 who have not registered.

Why haven't the MSM and internet melted down with news of arrests and ruined lives??
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