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Old 05-10-2018, 4:19 PM
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Default out of state retired/seperated LEO HR218 question

Are there any other out of state retired/separated officers who qualify for HR218 and are monitoring this site and willing to share some info?

I qualify under HR218 (from NJ) and trying to figure out if most officers these days would even recognize a HR218 qualification card issued by a POST instructor, especially here in CA.

Does anyone have any experience on what they carry and what they suggest?

How much documentation do i really need to have with me besides old agency ID and current POST firearm qualification signoff???

Some people don't even know what LEOSA is, and others have widely varying opinions of what type of ID to carry....

thanks in advance !!
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Old 05-10-2018, 5:13 PM
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HR218 is identified by the retired credentials your agency provides. It has nothing to do with POST. Every year when you requalify on your anniversary your dept should be issuing you a new ID card that states you are honorably retired and HR218 qualified, accompanied by an expiration date one year from your renewal.
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Old 05-10-2018, 5:23 PM
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NJ doesn't reissue retired credentials except for once. but i do know yearly qualification needs to be in accordance to POST active duty quals. Otherwise people who no longer live in the state, or the area they worked, are out of luck. i was told by a CA POST instructor that carrying the sign off on the quals along with the old agency ID was sufficient here in CA.

This is what i was mentioning,,,some areas/agencies issue ID's with HR 218 endorsements and other require the qualification sign off by a POST instructor.....i wish there was more clarity.....but what i have heard is that here in CA, they look for the endorsement and not a separate annual qualification sign off by a CA POST instructor.

There are several POST instructors that will offer out of state LEOSA qualification tests to out of state officers no longer in the business, but qualify under 218. Still very murky, hence why i am seeking multiple opinions.....i might just go get the county CCW, but i already have 2 for other parts of the country and i would rather have one for everywhere.....

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Old 05-10-2018, 7:09 PM
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Most every state is different.

I'm retired from a California agency and I live in Arizona.

Arizona has a program through the Department Of Public Safety where they qualify retired LEO's who RESIDE in Arizona and issue them LEOSA qualification credentials.

https://www.azdps.gov/services/public/cwp

That saves me having to yearly travel to California and qualify with my agency.
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Old 05-10-2018, 7:30 PM
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From 18 USC 926C(c):

Additionally, the individual must carry either:

-photographic identification issued by the agency from which the individual separated from service as a law enforcement officer that identifies the person as having been employed as a police officer or law enforcement officer and indicates that the individual has, not less recently than one year before the date the individual is carrying the concealed firearm, been tested or otherwise found by the agency to meet the active duty standards for qualification in firearms training as established by the agency to carry a firearm of the same type as the concealed firearm; or

-photographic identification issued by the agency from which the individual separated from service as a law enforcement officer that identifies the person as having been employed as a police officer or law enforcement officer; and a certification issued by the State in which the individual resides or by a certified firearms instructor that is qualified to conduct a firearms qualification test for active duty officers within that State that indicates that the individual has, not less than one year before the date the individual is carrying the concealed firearm, been tested or otherwise found by the State or a certified firearms instructor that is qualified to conduct a firearms qualification test for active duty officers within that State to have met the active duty standards for qualification in firearms training, as established by the State, to carry a firearm of the same type as the concealed firearm; or if the State has not established such standards, standards set by any law enforcement agency within that State to carry a firearm of the same type as the concealed firearm.

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Old 05-10-2018, 7:31 PM
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18 USC 926c is your friend. I'm retired Cali and now in Utah. The UHP offers once a year credential IF you have a retired credential. The LEOSA qual is yearly.
There is no law for how frequently a retired Dept credential MUST be issued. I also avoided having to go back to Cali for my five year requal by finding a local NRA rangemaster.
Check first with your local sheriff and, failing that, check with a POST or NRA instructor. I thought the language in the USC is that a local Sheriff is supposed to do it. If you are near Sacto, Virtual Safe Shot has a range master that does LEOSA quals. I think they're still in business.
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Old 05-12-2018, 5:46 AM
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As a retired Ca LEO my Department issues me a retired ID card that authorizes me to carry under California law. This ID card must be renewed every 5 years per State law.

Additionally, my department allows retirees to shoot annually and issues a separate LEOSA 218 card which indicates the qualification date. This annual qualification meets the requirements for nationwide carry under LEOSA.

While some departments may issues a new ID card on an annual basis, that is not necessary.

The only requirements under LEOSA is that the retiree carry an ID card issued by their department which indicates he meets the requirements of LEOSA. The annual qualification certificate can be issued by either a Ca LE agency or an individual that meets the LEOSA requirements to qualify retirees.

While there may well be some small number of officers that are not up to speed on LEOSA, it is my experience that the majority of California LEOs are aware of HR 218/LEOSA, and understand the legal authority for out of state LEOs to carry a weapon in California. I don't see any issues for you as long as you have the required identification from your department and are current with your annual qualification.

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Hope this is not too off topic, but what is the deal with having to possess a CCA in addition to HR218 creds?
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Hope this is not too off topic, but what is the deal with having to possess a CCA in addition to HR218 creds?
What are your referring to by the acronym "CCA"?

Once we figure out what a "CCA" is, what makes you think that one is required into addition to your Retired ID Card.

Please refer to the post by GizmoSD for a description of the two possible ID configurations that are required for lawful carry under LEOSA.
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Old 05-17-2018, 8:42 AM
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OOPS, typed and bailed too fast..

Meant to read "CCW." per our range guys (I wasn't listening to well) they said something about our creds not being compliant unless they have a CCW to go with it...

Never heard of that before...If I learn more, Ill let ya'll know what they're talking about.
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OOPS, typed and bailed too fast..

Meant to read "CCW." per our range guys (I wasn't listening to well) they said something about our creds not being compliant unless they have a CCW to go with it...

Never heard of that before...If I learn more, Ill let ya'll know what they're talking about.
OK, Thanks for the update, now I understand better.

There is no need whatsoever for a separate state-issued CCW permit. The LEOSA provides the same carry authority (and actually a broader carry authority in many cases).

There may some advantage to a local CCW. In Washington, the possession of a state CCW exempts a firearms purchaser from the state law waiting period on a handgun, and also provides a state carry authority if I ever let the one-year qual period elapse.
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you should keep a local CCW also with the LEOSA, because most state laws have not been updated to recognize the LEOSA credential.
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Old 05-17-2018, 9:28 PM
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you should keep a local CCW also with the LEOSA, because most state laws have not been updated to recognize the LEOSA credential.
There is no need for any state law to be "updated to recognize the LEOSA credential."

The federal statute supercedes any state law that may conflict with it. That was the whole purpose behind HR218. Congress did all of the "updating" that was necessary
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