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Old 01-13-2018, 11:07 AM
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So just as reference this rifle will accept ALL Glock magazines or just certain models/Gens ? Thanks.
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So just as reference this rifle will accept ALL Glock magazines or just certain models/Gens ? Thanks.
It should take any 9mm Glock mag, any model or gen. I do not know if reversing the mag release requires ambi/G4+ mags though. You might be able to get away running any Glock 40SW mag loaded with 9mm as well.
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So just as reference this rifle will accept ALL Glock magazines or just certain models/Gens ? Thanks.
Why do people ask questions like they are talking to the manufacturer? No one has one yet, hahah.
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That MAC video was great. Intresting how he noted how easy the bolt face taken off, perhaps there will be differant calibers.

I can not wait to get the call that they are in stock and start the dros!!
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It should take any 9mm Glock mag, any model or gen. I do not know if reversing the mag release requires ambi/G4+ mags though.
Yes, it does. The mag latch is just like a handgun latch. I don't know which side is which though. I want to run the latch on the left side, but have mostly mags with a right side cutout.

Mine is supposed to get here next week and no wait period. Won't be able to shoot it right away but I'll give it a good feel.
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Yes, it does. The mag latch is just like a handgun latch. I don't know which side is which though. I want to run the latch on the left side, but have mostly mags with a right side cutout.

Mine is supposed to get here next week and no wait period. Won't be able to shoot it right away but I'll give it a good feel.
Post your thoughts if you would.
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Why do people ask questions like they are talking to the manufacturer? No one has one yet, hahah.
Thanks SkyHawk. Because people know things here but yeah I get it.
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Thanks SkyHawk. Because people know things here but yeah I get it.
Right but it’s lazy. People get the answers from a couple videos and articles on the subject. The videos are in the threads a couple posts above usually. sometimes these answers are open for interpretation and not solid facts. Just as reference ? It doesn’t like ETS mags, which was posted. Just feels like easy homework and you are asking someone else to do it for you.
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Ruger doesn't AFAIK make a 10mm handgun, but yeah, 10mm in a carbine? Yes pls.

Now Ruger makes at least three... Black Hawk, Super Red Hawk, and 1911... maybe some variations of those. They keep adding 10mm's means more chance for an double stack auto soon. They could just release a 10mm PC Carbine with Glock insert only too. Ya never know.
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Now Ruger makes at least three... Black Hawk, Super Red Hawk, and 1911... maybe some variations of those. They keep adding 10mm's means more chance for an double stack auto soon. They could just release a 10mm PC Carbine with Glock insert only too. Ya never know.
I guess they could make a single stack insert as well if they wanted to?
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It should take any 9mm Glock mag, any model or gen. I do not know if reversing the mag release requires ambi/G4+ mags though. You might be able to get away running any Glock 40SW mag loaded with 9mm as well.
Older Glock® magazines that feature only one magazine latch slot may still be used with the PC Carbine™, but the magazine release button must remain on the left side of the rifle as shipped from the factory. The magazine release button should not be reversed when using this type of magazine as the magazine will not properly lock into the magazine well.

Direct from Ruger's website....the interweb is a powerful thing if you use ot....
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I hope Ruger doesn't have a problem using a tungsten bolt like Remington did on the 597.
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I hope Ruger doesn't have a problem using a tungsten bolt like Remington did on the 597.
“Dead blow action features a custom tungsten dead blow weight that shortens bolt travel and reduces felt recoil and muzzle rise. Bolt is machined from heat treated, chrome-moly steel to ensure strength, structural integrity, and durability.”

Tungsten WEIGHT with a chrome-moly steel bolt.
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Old 01-13-2018, 7:41 PM
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“Dead blow action features a custom tungsten dead blow weight that shortens bolt travel and reduces felt recoil and muzzle rise. Bolt is machined from heat treated, chrome-moly steel to ensure strength, structural integrity, and durability.”

Tungsten WEIGHT with a chrome-moly steel bolt.
Sounds good if that's the case. The guy in the video said it incorrectly then.
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WRT 10mm, don't hold your breath. Too much power for a blowback. The weighted bolt may help with bounce, but probably not with controlling the initial rear movement of the bolt. The best chance for a 10mm is in a gas gun like the Mini-14. Lobby Ruger for that, not the PC Carbine.
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WRT 10mm, don't hold your breath. Too much power for a blowback. The weighted bolt may help with bounce, but probably not with controlling the initial rear movement of the bolt. The best chance for a 10mm is in a gas gun like the Mini-14. Lobby Ruger for that, not the PC Carbine.
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Hi-point? Please.
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WRT 10mm, don't hold your breath. Too much power for a blowback. The weighted bolt may help with bounce, but probably not with controlling the initial rear movement of the bolt. The best chance for a 10mm is in a gas gun like the Mini-14. Lobby Ruger for that, not the PC Carbine.
KRISS (Vector) makes one. I think it would be doable, 10mm isn't really that big bad.
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Hi-Point is not exactly a shining example of firearms engineering.
I agree. But I think its more:

"If Hi-Point can do it..."
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KRISS (Vector) makes one. I think it would be doable, 10mm isn't really that big bad.
The KRISS is not a straight blowback. It's a delayed blowback. That ain't gonna work in a Ruger PC Carbine.
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I agree. But I think its more:

"If Hi-Point can do it..."
Ah, I see. I guess time will tell. Ruger has a way of just ambushing us with new product releases without any prior lead-up or teasers. I wouldn't be surprised if they do add more calibers within a few months.
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One for every family member is what I foresee. This is a natural rifle to move up to for kids trained on the 10/22 as they grow up. And it’s ready for Appleseed out of the box, just add the sling.

Great job IMO Ruger!
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The KRISS is not a straight blowback. It's a delayed blowback. That ain't gonna work in a Ruger PC Carbine.
What's the difference between a dead blow blow-back and a delayed blow-back setup? You must know if you are telling us Ruger cannot possibly make a 10mm work on this new platform

They worked on it for at least two years, I think they already know. Were you on the development team ?
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And it’s ready for Appleseed out of the box, just add the sling.
I didn’t even think of that. Good call!
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The KRISS is not a straight blowback. It's a delayed blowback. That ain't gonna work in a Ruger PC Carbine.
Dead-blow blowback and delayed blowback sound suspiciously similar to me.
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What's the difference between a dead blow blow-back and a delayed blow-back setup? You must know if you are telling us Ruger cannot possibly make a 10mm work on this new platform

They worked on it for at least two years, I think they already know. Were you on the development team ?
They worked on a 9mm, not a 10mm.
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I didn’t even think of that. Good call!
I had mentioned a couple pages back that if you load up some semi wadcutters for the nice clean holes they create, this would be a really nice Appleseed rifle because those big 9mm holes would help eke out a few more points on those AQT targets...
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Maybe Jeff Quinn was on the team too... he actually says at 00:20+

"It is a blow-back, but it is delayed... it uses a multi-piece bolt in there to cancel out its own recoil... bolt isn't slamming into the receiver all the time..."

Maybe he shoulda said "dead blow" but at least he's shot the damn thing, heheh.
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I've always wanted to replace the PC40 I sold with a PC9 but the cost has prevented me from doing it. But my LGS is going to price this new model at $499 so I'm going to buy one.
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I’ll be grabbing one as soon as I find one in stock.

Any thoughts on using an optic with a circle reticle like the vortex spitfire for Home defense and gun games? Or should I stick wth a regular red dot? Fast acquisition and shots is what I want. Not lookin to stretch out this carbine.

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Ok, back on topic- how much I can expect the zero to shift once I put a red dot on the rail and disassemble and assemble the rifle few times? 50 yard zero I mean.
NIKSD, thanks for getting us back on topic. You raise a good question. I'm assuming the answer depends on how that takedown mechanism locks into place. If I understand correctly the way that rail is created, it won't be moving around.
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One for every family member is what I foresee. This is a natural rifle to move up to for kids trained on the 10/22 as they grow up. And it’s ready for Appleseed out of the box, just add the sling.

Great job IMO Ruger!
What's Appleseed?
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My first thought was; Is Ruger in competition with Hi-Point to see who can make the ugliest and heaviest 9mm PCC? But now its grown on me a bit, and I think I want to buy one.

What I really want is a similar style/sized gas operated 10mm that uses Glock mags. 10mm would make a nice powerful back country rifle.
This would be my #1 reason to ever buy 10mm.
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I’ll be grabbing one as soon as I find one in stock.

Any thoughts on using an optic with a circle reticle like the vortex spitfire for Home defense and gun games? Or should I stick wth a regular red dot? Fast acquisition and shots is what I want. Not lookin to stretch out this carbine.

Thanks.
I like those circle dots like on the Holosun 503G, etc...I'll probably be using a MRO or FF3, whichever seems to acquire faster for me and looks good to my eyes. Thinking MRO will probably win. There's also height though... FF3 has the PIC mount that comes with, MRO has an AR mount.
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KYGCO is shipping out today. Just got the email notification, tracking, etc...
Awesome!
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I like those circle dots like on the Holosun 503G, etc...I'll probably be using a MRO or FF3, whichever seems to acquire faster for me and looks good to my eyes. Thinking MRO will probably win. There's also height though... FF3 has the PIC mount that comes with, MRO has an AR mount.
MRO has an optional low rail available but it's still a little tall.

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