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Old 12-16-2017, 1:04 PM
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The California State Auditor last Tuesday released their audit of Sac, LA and SD county sheriffs' CCW policies, procedures and practices, so we have a better idea of what is BS and what is truth for each of those 3 counties. See the discussion at: http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...4#post21027724

Fortunately, Sacramento county came away relatively unscathed despite having issued >9,000 CCWs for a county of ~1.5M

Surprisingly, San Diego county also had only minor issues with some renewals.

Unsurprisingly, Los Angeles county, as we all suspected, is rife with abuse, and has been given 60 days to show they've stop charging 3 illegal fees and has to get its issuance procedures and practices in line with its policy or change its policy to encompass its actual procedures and practices by March 2018.

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An audit of CCW's issued here in San Diego County should be easy and very quick. There are only a handful issued
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From p. 7 of the .pdf of the audit's report (emphasis added): To provide additional context, at each department we identified the number of active licenses. As of June 30, 2017 ... San Diego had 1,281 active licenses

Since 1 of 3 of your assertions is directly contradicted by the audit report, what proof or evidence do you have to support your other two claims? (emphasis added)
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The issue is, will he continue to issue after next year?
While that is important, if you think you can qualify now (or know someone who could), I'd suggest applying now and, hopefully, getting a CCW now.

What happens next year and after is a separate issue and is, to a large degree, out of your hands.
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Funny how CCW requirements tend to loosen up when an election is around the corner. OC’s program is changing for the better.
And I wonder how much is in response to the audit? IIRC, the audit process began last March and between then and now is when Gore said he's going to issue more CCWs.

Gore's "change of heart" maybe a combination of both of those, plus SDGOPAC influence, or it could be something else entirely. Remember, he stopped fighting against Peruta when he lost at the CA9 3-judge panel stage....
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From p. 7 of the .pdf of the audit's report (emphasis added): To provide additional context, at each department we identified the number of active licenses. As of June 30, 2017 ... San Diego had 1,281 active licenses

Since 1 of 3 of your assertions is directly contradicted by the audit report, what proof or evidence do you have to support your other two claims? (emphasis added)
1281 is a handful in a country with millions of residents.
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what proof or evidence do you have to support your other two claims? (emphasis added)
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and they are all Gore's ex-sheriff friends or political supporters.
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If Gore is that much against CCWs, anyone know the "inside scoop" on why he stopped fighting Peruta after we won the 3-judge panel?
I can answer this one, a prominent leader in SDCGO (this was before the PAC was formed) met with the board of supervisors and showed them the picture of Alan Gottlieb's giant check from the city of Chicago after winning the Macdonald case. The supes told Gore they weren't going to fund his anti-gun escapades. He was able to say he wouldn't appeal the decision when Harris filed to be added as a party to the suit.



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what proof or evidence do you have to support your other two claims? (emphasis added)
Loan me 10 grand and I'll show you.
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Its time to get sheriff gore out of office vote the idiot out asap
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Well, the article in the OP was dated Nov 17th: about 5 weeks ago.

Anyone apply yet to see if Gore has liberalized his CCW GC standard?
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I can answer this one, a prominent leader in SDCGO (this was before the PAC was formed) met with the board of supervisors and showed them the picture of Alan Gottlieb's giant check from the city of Chicago after winning the Macdonald case. The supes told Gore they weren't going to fund his anti-gun escapades. He was able to say he wouldn't appeal the decision when Harris filed to be added as a party to the suit.



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That kind of makes sense. But if CA9 hadn't gone sue sponte and didn't give Kammie standing, then Gore/SD would still be on the hook to pay if they lost Peruta, so they would still want to fight us.
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Anyone know the total cost to apply? Like how much am I out if I get denied?
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Anyone know the total cost to apply? Like how much am I out if I get denied?
I think it's about $25 by statute. You are supposed to be informed of the initial decision before you have to pony up larger sums for the various steps involved.
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I think it's about $25 by statute. You are supposed to be informed of the initial decision before you have to pony up larger sums for the various steps involved.
In my county, if they have anything on initial review (before your interview), or something that comes up during the interview, then there is no charge. They don't accept your money orders and you move along.

Seems like this is pretty rare though.
If you move on from interview to Livescan, they then take your two money orders totaling $138.60
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Well, the article in the OP was dated Nov 17th: about 5 weeks ago.

Anyone apply yet to see if Gore has liberalized his CCW GC standard?
Post 180 of this thread

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...4#post21092414

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https://www.presstelegram.com/2017/1...rules-equally/


Of 3 counties included in CCW audit, over the last 3 yrs.


LA............66 permits issued. Population 10.2 million.


SD...........464 permits issued. Population, 3.32 million

SacCnty....6,336 permits issued. Population, 1.51 million
The article didn't list overall active permits, just last 3 yrs.

Our illustrious dick wad, bought and paid for by the Dems, sheriff "Jimmy Jack Off" McDonnell. Has issued 22 per yr. avg.

Guess who he issued them to?


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Only 66 CCW licenses have been issued in L.A. County — population 10 million — in the last three years. Auditors looked at 25 permit samples and found that 24 were issued “without obtaining documentation that the applicants met its good cause requirement,” and 22 were issued to “individuals within the law enforcement community.”

This special treatment for insiders contrasts with the denial of permits for ordinary people, like one man who applied for a CCW license for personal protection because he worked in “undesirable and remote areas and carried large amounts of cash.”
Even the auditor made special mention of the strong biases shown by anti 2A sheriffs.

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Post 180 of this thread

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...4#post21092414



The article didn't list overall active permits, just last 3 yrs.

Our illustrious dick wad, bought and paid for by the Dems, sheriff "Jimmy Jack Off" McDonnell. Has issued 22 per yr. avg.

Guess who he issued them to?




Even the auditor made special mention of the strong biases shown by anti 2A sheriffs.

Yeah, I know all about that (as you can see from my posts in that thread), and even suggested that someone in LA Co. use the state auditor's report to ask for a Grand Jury to also investigate the LASD's CCW policy, procedures and practices. But, of course, so far, there's been no reply.... http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...1#post21085141

You'd think from a county of >10M residents there'd be at least 1 CGNer who'd be willing to do something to get a CA CCW.

Anyway, this thread is about San Diego, not LA, so post any follow up comments over on that thread I linked and let's let this thread get back On Topic.
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Maybe Gore will increase it to 500? That does qualify as an increase and then he keeps his word = re-elect me.

Did Harvey Weinstein get one in LA to protect himself from all those angry women?
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Article on what we kind of know already.........

https://timesofsandiego.com/politics...n-diego-county
In 8 days it will have been 2 months since the OP was posted. Anyone apply yet???
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We learned to hold our powder here after the last Peruta fiasco.
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In 8 days it will have been 2 months since the OP was posted. Anyone apply yet???
I'm not seeing how a single thing has changed. He lists seven reasons on the SDCSD website. You either need a very good job related reason or a personal threat. I'm retired so I certainly don't have a job related reason. And nobody has attacked me or is stalking me currently. I love how someone actually needs to threaten or harm me before my right to defend myself becomes valid.

The only way we're getting permits in this godforsaken town is by a new sheriff that actually respects the COTUS.
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Does anyone remember when SDCGOPAC will announce who they endorse for sheriff? IIRC, that's supposed to happen before the end of this month.

I hope you guys are forming a group right now of CGNers in San Diego Co who will volunteer to make sure whoever is the best candidate wins. If Myers is the best, he'll need all the help he can get to beat the incumbent, Gore.

You won't have another chance like this for at least 4 more years. Don't waste it!
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You'd think from a county of >10M residents there'd be at least 1 CGNer who'd be willing to do something to get a CA CCW.

Anyway, this thread is about San Diego, not LA, so post any follow up comments over on that thread I linked and let's let this thread get back On Topic.

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In 8 days it will have been 2 months since the OP was posted. Anyone apply yet???
Any movement in the pile of applications already received during the initial Peruta win?
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I printed a copy to submit, but I am a teacher with no business or direct threat. Not sure if I want to waste the money based on Sheriff Gore’s comments.
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Any movement in the pile of applications already received during the initial Peruta win?
IIRC, if you used only "self-defense"/similar as your GC statement, you can (1) abandon your application. (2) Have them process it w/SD as your GC and get denied. (3) Or, you can revise & elaborate on your GC and pay the fees and have it processed.

I'm not sure what happened/happens if you submitted an application but did not get in touch with them post-Peruta to tell them what you wanted to do. Just call the Sheriff’s License Division at 858-974-2020

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I printed a copy to submit, but I am a teacher with no business or direct threat. Not sure if I want to waste the money based on Sheriff Gore’s comments.
#1 call the Sheriff’s License Division at 858-974-2020 to find out how much you have to pay before your GC gets evaluated.

#2 Go through this video and the sheriff's website info to see how much applies to you.

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They are, believe me, just don't need to be advertising.
I sure hope so. But it seems like there's only a dozen or so CGNers who post in San Diego specific forums and most of them don't have the attitude of go-getters....

The odds are national reciprocity won't pass the Senate, and if it does, there's no guarantee it will include the part that helps us CCW in CA with non-CA CCWs....

So, the best bet for positive CCW change in CA this year (and probably for the next few years) is either Gore significantly liberalizing CCW issuance or Myers beating Gore.

The Nichols case and Flanagan case still have years ahead of them before they'll help us (assuming they go our way).
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They sent out an email with a bunch of endorsements today. Dave Meyers for SD Sheriff. They also listed a bunch of mayor, city council, and school board positions around the county.
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Maybe Gore will increase it to 500? That does qualify as an increase and then he keeps his word = re-elect me.
This is my theory too. He can go around campaigning that he has
increased issuance of ccw's. Never mind the fact that no new guidelines have been updated or changed and SD is still not GC.
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increased issuance of ccw's. Never mind the fact that no new guidelines have been updated or changed and SD is still not GC.
I'll believe him issuing one more when I see it. That sack of crap shouldnt even be in office.
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In 8 days it will have been 2 months since the OP was posted. Anyone apply yet???
The below from a posting in a different CGN forum, it sounds like Gore may have eased back slightly on his GC requirement.

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Gore has been feeling the pressure and actually started issuing. Two of my friends have gotten theirs lately, but one is a women with past Domestic Violence against her and she works late and makes killer money. The other is female realtor but I hear others are starting to get them issued.
While that is good, it is not good enough for the vast majority law-abiding gun owners in SD Co.

Gore came out in mid November saying he'll issue more CCWs. https://timesofsandiego.com/politics...-diego-county/
It's been 2 months, so we should start hearing any time now whether that is true or false, and, in either case, try to find out what sort of GC statements passed or failed. I'd say over the next 2-3 months we should get a good handle on whether anything has really changed.

Of course, since Gore has said he's against Shall Issue (i.e., against accepting SD as sufficient GC), the question of who to support and vote for as sheriff in June is a related, but separate issue.
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He may have eased up slightly, Gore still issues them like his some king and only to the few blessed as he see fits. That's not how it works.

And what fool would trust him once he is re-elected to give a flying fook about the issue and continue? He could just let what he has get by expire.

He is a liar, he betrays his oath to the constitution by denying issue to citizens, he in some eyes is even a murderer based on Ruby Ridge that of course he refuses to discuss. He got into office as acting sheirff six months before the people had a say so he got free six months of campaign on our dime. There was no fair election there.


Why trust him?

Those new CCWs he's issuing?....

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And what fool would trust him once he is re-elected to give a flying fook about the issue and continue? He could just let what he has get by expire.

He is a liar, he betrays his oath to the constitution by denying issue to citizens, he in some eyes is even a murderer based on Ruby Ridge that of course he refuses to discuss. He got into office as acting sheirff six months before the people had a say so he got free six months of campaign on our dime. There was no fair election there.
Exactly.

It's like the problem employee with a history of issues, gets a promotion so he's back on probation. He's watching his tail, but there are still signs of issues, and you have to decide whether to pass him or send him back to his old job.
Is he going to get BETTER after he clears probation?

Of course not.
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Since, per my post at:
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...6#post21157476

it looks like Sheriff Gore is really issuing more CCWs, I strongly urge those of you who want one to apply and get one while you can. They are good for 2 years. Myers may not win, or may be pressured by all his Dem peers to walk back his promise. Gore might get reelected and start turning off the faucet once again. You can't predict, much less control, the future.

Apply now while the door is cracked open. Let us and SDCGOPAC know what your GC is like and how the application process goes.

For the activists among you: (1) You should make up fliers and post them at ALL local shooting ranges and gun stores, in San Diego county and just over it's borders letting owners and staff know that Gore is now issuing but requires a Good Cause statement with supporting evidence.

(2) You should let all local shooting clubs know as well. At a minimum, contact all local PPC, IDPA (http://www.idpa.com/) and IPSC/USPSA clubs (https://uspsa.org/).

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USPSA: http://lineadefuego.net/
IDPA: http://www.idpa.com/clubprofile/sand...cticalshooters

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(3) Since, AFAIK, the two NRA Members Councils of San Diego county were NOT involved in this liberalization effort, you should let them know as well out of courtesy... http://nramemberscouncils.com/directories/MC-directory/
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If a bunch of people start applying, things will get backed up very quickly. Has anyone heard if/when San Diego SO will switch to an online application process?

Currently you can only download an application form online:
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While I don't see anywhere that Gore has really changed his good cause requirements from what it used to be, this is good news.

Might be a combination of word getting out (thanks SDCGOPAC) and Gore allowing some wiggle room.

I'm tempted to apply but I do not fall into any of the categories currently listed as good cause. I would have to put something like "self protection" which I believe he's stated he will not accept.
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I'm tempted to apply but I do not fall into any of the categories currently listed as good cause. I would have to put something like "self protection" which I believe he's stated he will not accept.
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* Evidence that there has been or is likely to be an attempt on the part of a second party to do great bodily harm to the applicant.

* The nature of the business or occupation of the applicant is such that it is subject to personal risk and / or criminal attack, greater than the general population.

* A task of the business or occupation of the applicant requires transportation of large sums of money or other valuables and alternative protective measures or security cannot be employed.

* When a business or occupation is of a high-risk nature and requires the applicant's presence in a dangerous environment.

* The occupation or business of the applicant is such that no means of protection, security or risk avoidance can mitigate the risk other than the carrying of a concealed firearm.

* Personal protection is warranted to mitigate a threat to the applicant that the applicant is able to substantiate.

* Good cause could include, but is not limited to, verifiable documented instances of threats to the personal safety of the applicant, his or her family, or employees. Threats to personal safety may be verbal or demonstrated through actual harm committed in the place of work, neighborhood or regular routes of travel for business. The applicant should articulate the threat as it applies personally to the applicant, his or her family, or employees. Non-specific, general concerns about personal safety are insufficient.
I'm sure if you're a regular shooter of handguns, rifles and/or shotguns, you can figure out how to make a stronger Good Cause statement from the parts I bolded than just writing "self-defense." Be sure to include things that may be evidence to support your claims.

Do this with ALL aspects of your life (e.g., hiking/backpacking).

Spend some time, put in some effort, and get a CCW!
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I'm sure if you're a regular shooter of handguns, rifles and/or shotguns, you can figure out how to make a stronger Good Cause statement from the parts I bolded than just writing "self-defense." Be sure to include things that may be evidence to support your claims.

Do this with ALL aspects of your life (e.g., hiking/backpacking).

Spend some time, put in some effort, and get a CCW!
You are obviously very dedicated to this cause, but I can't help but wonder why you seem to gloss over the basic requirements of his good cause requirements. e.g. Did you not bold the part about "Occupation or Business" for a reason?
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