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I really want this to be a success, it is a really cool idea, and looks great.
With that being said, can anyone think of a reason why there is no video of a functioning rifle at this point other than "It doesn't work"? |
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Normally I would not have any problems but the California timeline is going to be extremely difficult. I figure wait until December, I am sure they will give me a refund if I ask. They have a good reputation and they pick of the phone anytime so there is no reason to doubt them. |
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I'm not staying in CA forever; 2 years, 3 years max. I'll keep my properties here, but CA will be a vacation destination at best (but I wouldn't want to live here). .
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I really hoped they'd have a reliable product out by year end but it's not looking hopeful. Oh well, maybe when I retire to a free state they'll be readily available with all the bugs ironed out.
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They just started shipping the CETME-L rifles they took payment on 2 years ago and those are MUCH simpler than an STG.
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Yeah, the actually claimed they'd be shipping by JUNE! Yeah right. Still haven't seen one shoot, much less full scale production. These will likely not hit the market before CA shuts down semi-auto center fire rifles.
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Heh, well it's a good thing my retirement is still decades away.
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I placed my order in June. I was PROMISED I would have them by September. Sept came and went...so I called in October. I was PROMISED I would have them right after Thanksgiving. Came and went. I just got a call today saying "Yeah, there's no way we'll have them in time". Didn't sound very sorry about it but were kind enough to offer me my money back. Thank God I put them on a credit card and have been paying interest on them for the better part of 7 months. This company is a JOKE.
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NRA LIFE (1974) Psalm 46:10 I had a commission/USNR from 71-77 but never consider myself a Vet MyDad+4uncles/USMC/WW2/Korea/Vietnam. My Grandfather US Army WW1. No heroes,just regular folks--they were Veterans. “Do not be deceived.God is not mocked. You will reap what you sow.” |
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Update on the HMG situation. I bought my STG-44 in January of 2016 and got a call from HMG on Monday that they cannot deliver a full rifle to California customers by the December 21st deadline. They offered to send a serialized bare receiver to me by the deadline so it can be Dros'd. They where very professional and honest about what was happening and they are obviously veru aware of the situation in CA and the effort to get us our rifles. Remember that no one could have predicted the new CA laws.
After I DROS my receiver I will send it back to HMG to have them complete it. I'll include some pics when I get it. For those that are angry at the situation, I would suggest putting on some big boy pants and realizing that they are doing what they can and this is not some giant company putting out another meaningless consumer product. They are very professional and conscientious. They helped me build my CETME-L and it looks like they will make good on getting me a rifle by the deadline, albeit not complete. It's an ambitious project and the quality of the parts and customer service has been very good so I am fully capable of cutting them some slack. |
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I build so maybe there is also the possibility to keep the receiver and complete the rifle myself. I'll keep people posted of the progress and the solutions. |
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This is becoming the Duke Nukem Forever of firearms. |
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I don't think they have any completed rifles at this point. The receiver I am supposed to get is a bent bare receiver, I'll post pics when I get it.
Every one of these special builds by small companies in my experience over the last 15 years has always taken much longer than expected. It's a small company not some monolith that has prepared everything perfectly. That said I can personally attest the the amazing quality of the parts they produce, the CETME-L receiver and weldment set I got are impeccable. They are also always willing to talk on the phone. I remember another repro German WW2 rifle taking literally 3 years longer than projected a few years back, and that was for a $5000 rifle. That company had huge problems with reliability. Keep hope alive! |
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The InRange TV videos announcing pricing were posted in November of last year. There are several videos from the Shot show and others hyping it, and so far there doesn't seem to be a functioning prototype, at least no video of a firing rifle I can find. I see from this thread, you ordered yours in January, did they take your money at that time? I really hope they make this work, but I am even more skeptical at this point than I was a year ago. |
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Yes, it was charged at the purchase, full price.
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I feel kinda glad I've decided to wait until these guns are actually in production and for sale before pulling the trigger. Heard too many stories of pre-orders charging full price only to never be delivered without significant delays.
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OK, doing some further digging, I found on their facebook page, 2 videos. One (from 10 months ago) is a slow motion closeup of a rifle firing once. One, from August is a rifle described as the .223 version firing three times semi auto.
So better than nothing at all, but not by much. Not inspiring much confidence. |
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I am one of those that paid for one of their rifles back on January 5th of last year. Originally the ship date was June, then July/August, then October, then late November. I called them a few weeks ago to check on the November ship date and was told that they were shipping Commiefornia guns first and I should have mine by early January.
Well, enough is enough and I asked for my money back and received a full refund with no arguing or issues. I still want one, but I am now going to wait until I see them for sale on retailers shelves. I hope they pull it off and produce a good product and it is a success.
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If you are outside the California bubble of pain then I would not worry at all, a company that is off by 6 months on a delivery on a project of this size does not even phase me. You got to understand this is an enthusiast run small company made of people like us. It's not capable of producing a flawless "Best Buy" experience.
They are always available to talk and they care, it's enough for me to work with them. The CETME-L's are hitting the streets and they look amazing, check out MAC's latest videos. My home build is sweet, and to me there are a ton of signs the STG will be as good. The intricacy of the stamped metal parts, which is 90% of the success of an STG, looks exquisite on the CETME-L receiver. I've built many HK flats in the last 15 years, and not even the latest and greatest really compared to the Cetme-L flats HMG produces. |
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Quick update, I received the HMG shipment today and had some time to snap a few quick pics before it went into the DROS.
The receiver is a bare bent flat and it's very nice. The quality of the flat is on par with the Cetme-L flats they produced- very sharp and tight with no signs of metal fatique at the critical bend areas. Most detail work is laser cut and looks to be of the highest quality. I am no STG expert but the flat seems to be a little less than 1mm thick chrome-moly, probably 4130 or 4140. The bending is very nice, and I pushed the two halves together to see if they matched up and they are perfect. I know they offered either a refund or a receiver to CA customers and I am glad I went with the latter. Now the dilemma: HMG offered to have the receiver sent back to them to have it completed and then sent to me sometime next year. When they send it back it looks like it will have to be featureless and cannot go RAW according to my interpretation of the new laws. Either featureless or a top loader. The other option is for me to keep it and build it myself with parts they send. This way I could assemble it into a rifle before the 1st and possibly go RAW with it next year when the reg period opens. I have built many HK's and did a Cetme-L recently so this is childs play although I am in the dark as to how it actually goes together in terms of welds, etc. What do you think? |
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I like it!
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NRA LIFE (1974) Psalm 46:10 I had a commission/USNR from 71-77 but never consider myself a Vet MyDad+4uncles/USMC/WW2/Korea/Vietnam. My Grandfather US Army WW1. No heroes,just regular folks--they were Veterans. “Do not be deceived.God is not mocked. You will reap what you sow.” |
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Hey- We talked when you came in to DROS it. I really don't think they will be able to send you parts by the end of the year. I think they are still months and months away from that. The other problem I see going that way is that if the gun doesn't work they will blame you. Honestly I would send it to them and have them build it featureless with a grip wrap assuming DOJ will hold that it must be complete by the end of the year. On my PTR44 I have a grip wrap and its not bad at all.
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I wish I could say that I'm joking, but I think that might be the smartest way for you to go about this. -- Michael |
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I don't think that was me, I DROS'd it at South City Pawn in SSF. I think everyone in CA got their receivers at the same time yesterday.
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The quality of the stamping makes me sad. Why didn't HMG put the same effort into making correct copies of MP44 receivers and serve the community of MP44 rewelders/builders with blanks worth at least $500 a pop? Add another $500 for a correct trunnion and HMG could have offered $1,000 MP44 builder kits to lose sleep over. Compare that to their $1,700 lookalike that requires many more parts and much more work before becoming a rifle they can hand over to a customer. Maybe making profit is not part of their business model?
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Another was the fire control, they wanted to be able to use,HK G3 trigger packs. Why? Because they are inexpensive. A German firm put out exact copies years ago that PTR sold, those guns were 7500 if memory serves. Trigger pack is a nightmare for a small company because of the hardened forged parts required. Limiting the market to just old collectors with original kits and parts was never going to yield a decent business model. |
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Quick update, I got my receiver and am about to send it back. It will have to come back in, at some time in 2017 hopefully, as a completed featureless rifle unfortunately. Turns out solar tactical sells a grip fin made for an older PTR-44, which I think will work. If not I will 3D print my own.
MAC had some updates in the video, it's pretty good news. They are shooting and the project is proceeding. |
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Ending up cancelling my order. The fact they repeatedly told me it would be ready in time before the end of the year and then the time came it wasn't was just insulting. I'm still interested in it but I'll wait when they actually have a ready product.
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Latest update, they have worked out the gas system issues. Lots of really good tech info in this inrange clip. Looks like things are rolling along.
Reverse engineering is not for the timid.
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