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Gun-free zone for a 2A protest.
Ok Trying to digest it. Retired 35+ year cop w/carry endorsement. Not sure I know how to walk without a counter-balance.
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Gun Free 2A protest? I know it is against the grain of our members. The idea is to de-fuse the media. By not being armed, we are not waving a red blanket in the face of a bull, our illustrious legislature and the liberal media. By doing this we have taken away their fire. If something did happen during the protest, WE DID NOT DO IT, WE WERE UNARMED.
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I'd love to be there, but like a few others stated I'm in SoCal and it just isn't feasible for me right now to make it up to Sac.
The Feb 8th one has been split (last I seen anyways) into two: one in Sac and one in LA. I plan on attending the one in LA. Good luck and I'll be watching for you all on the tube! |
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I personally dont see the problem for those that CCW to go armed but thats up to the organizers to decide. I think it has more to do with this though: Oldshooter32, If you are one of those special people then do not hesitate.
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Sanchanim, you should contact Wes (Pen Maker on this forum) regarding radio media coverage. He's doing the California Gun Talk radio show on KSCO out of Santa Cruz. Maybe he can do a special live show from Sacramento that day.
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Citadel you make some good points, but flooding our legislators with emails is not enough. The gays in this country only represented 2 percent of the population and yet look at what they accomplished by hitting the street in protest for equal rights all across the land. It's estimated that 51 percent of all households in the U.S. have a gun in the house and you would think that the percentage would mean something, but we are seeing the Second Amendment eroded each year by state and federal anti gun laws. "A picture is worth a thousand words!" It's time to hit the street! |
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Thanks Tronite. Not sure which email contact to use.
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Here's a link to the Feb 8th protest in SoCal:
https://www.facebook.com/events/4045...19511357487835 |
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The suggestion of protesting for gun rights in California at this time is like recommending a gay pride parade in Arkansas. In 1955. While I am not gay or a minority, I would hope that the picture media would take away from this event is that of a racially diverse group holding a sign that says, "Gun Rights are Gay Rights" or "Gun Rights are MY Civil Rights" and not that of a group of slovenly, obese, white retirees dressed in BDU's holding a sign that says "MOLON LABE" or anything that might be attached to the 'Tea Party'. The message has to be delivered by messengers that are unassailable in the California media. Gay men, young pretty women, minorities, and those with handicaps that limit their ability to defend themselves are essential to building this picture that gun owners are more dynamic than angry white men. This must be a component of every media contact, including the press release. It is not enough to wave a protest sign in the camera- promotional materials (like a large banner, pamphlets) should have an easy to read website where viewers can get more information and get involved in contacting their representatives. (Yes, more letter writers...if you want to be seen, it must be by people who can take meaningful action.) If this is to be a sucess and earn support from the wider gun community in California, organization cannot rely solely on asking people just to show up to concentrate numbers... it must be tailored to illustrate that gun owners are not just diverse but need the protection of their civil rights.
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Sometimes the law defends plunder and participates in it. Sometimes the law places the whole apparatus of judges, police, prisons and gendarmes at the service of the plunderers, and treats the victim -- when he defends himself -- as a criminal. Bastiat “Everything the State says is a lie, and everything it has it has stolen.” Friedrich Nietzsche |
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The fact is as far as DiFi's legislation is concerned we only have ideas, not the actual bill text yet. As far as we know it is to be released on January 22nd. We have seen other garbage being submitted by folks in Illinois, and New York City. If this is anything like those bills we will have a lot to worry about. I realize your concern, but the reality is we will never get something to be perfect. |
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@ CitaDeL Lets see Calgun.net, the SAF etc etc all work towards our gun right. CalGun.net is dedicated specifically to gun rights within California. So I think the real question based on your comment is what the heck are you doing on this forum???? Now is the time... DiFi is pushing new legislation that isn't just about AR-15's, it is about every modern pistol and rifle made today. Leland Yee WILL BE BACK to push his filth in Congress. So when should we protest, after the first law abiding citizen gives his life in defense f his freedoms? After 1000's are arrested like criminals? You tell me... |
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Sanchanim, maybe I'm preaching to the choir, but having guest speakers who will address the rally members, is all important. I hope you will be able to find some key figures who will voice are concerns about the coming legislative action that will threaten our Second Amendment rights.
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At a time where our state legislature is not dominated by a democrat 2/3rd majority in both chambers. At a time when we are not awaiting the rulings in a pending court cases. At a time not immediately after a nationally publicized mass shooting event that has instigated not only local and state legislative remedies, but a Federal ban being advanced by our own Senator. I would say the time to put a new face on gun ownership is when gun owners have the ability to drive the dialogue, not to be the subject of it. Quote:
Oh. So, because I disagree with your desire to shake a sign at the Capitol, my presense at a pro-gun website must be suspect? Please enlighten me, how was SB249 stopped without a crowd of angry gunowners storming the Capitol steps? Where were the sign wavers then? Were they holding up their sign at Leland Yee's presser (ALA 'Code Pink' during Wayne LaPierre's NRA press conference)? Nope. They were tearing up the phones and fax lines. I will tell you what I am doing here. I'm herding cats. I'm trying to get them to think before they act and trying to make sure they dont sh*t in the sandbox. Yes, now is the time to take action, but too many overestimate the effectiveness of free speech protests inside enemy territory where the media, law enforcement and the legislature look at gunowners as a loony, insignificant, and impotent political faction. Our time, resources, and money are better spent on doing things that are proven to get results- not things that get you ridiculed on the evening news or make you feel better for waving a flag in defiance of an opponent that thinks nothing of you.
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Sometimes the law defends plunder and participates in it. Sometimes the law places the whole apparatus of judges, police, prisons and gendarmes at the service of the plunderers, and treats the victim -- when he defends himself -- as a criminal. Bastiat “Everything the State says is a lie, and everything it has it has stolen.” Friedrich Nietzsche |
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I do fear with a 2.3 majority in the new state congress our jobs will be much more difficult. However we are not alone, we are planning protests on many other states same day. This should help force the national discussion. So whether we want to stand with signs, or write or email, or call these are all legal methods for each of us to voice are grievance and should be supported by all. So me questioning you being on this site stems from the academic ideal that any method to voice our grievance should be excepted and encouraged. |
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Ha we might need to waltz on over towards old town after fro drinks!!
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Why ? President Obama on January 29 will give his State of the Union Address and recommend to their Consideration such measures as he shall judge necessary and expedient. President Obama, in a press conference vowed to do "everything in my power" to advance proposals to reduce gun violence and will urged Congress to vote on measures banning the sale of assault weapons and high-capacity ammunition magazines and requiring background checks before any firearm sale. No Congressional Approval Needed Quote:
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Desperate times call for Desperate measures !
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That might be an option, but there are not that many left these days lol
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Sanchanim, here's the contact info from his post announcing his radio show:
<<<<<<<<<<<<< California GunTalk is for Us, the gun owner and a place were we can talk and discuss all the California gun topics. Please tune in if you can. If your not in the Santa Cruz / San Fran area, you can tune in live at KSCO.com. If your so inclined to chime in during the show you can call in at 831.479.1080 or send a email to wes@californiaguntalk.com Also would love to hear what topics in the future that people would be interested in. Wes Host Santa Cruz Armory & Host of California GunTalk <<<<<<<<<<<<<
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I am near Sacramento, and I know how hard it is for folks in Southern California. Plus it is great for the environment too! |
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This is a very important statment we need to make here and now.
To make this an effective and a notable event, I think: It should take place during the week. People should call in to work sick, and kids pulled from school to attend. We need everyone. A few hundred or few thousand will be laughed at by the media bias. The numbers need to be overwhelming but without the mob rules, occupy mentality. The march should be on a major road near the capitol, shutting it down for for maximum effect. Pull a permit like the leftist creeps marching in SanFrancisco and Oakland while getting a free police escort. Everything should be peaceful. Everyone should carry zip ties to use on the troublemakers that will try and disrupt this event. My 2cents. -g
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Is there any possibility that this could be moved to Sunday the 20th?
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I am about 4 hours away but I should be able to make it.
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I agree, although many of us do not have the option of getting off during the week. While the current plan right now for this first rally is a Saturday, if the numbers are there and we get media involved, then I can assure you there will be more. There is also another protest, I believe scheduled for February 8th. That will be a mid week protest. Either way this is a starting point, it is something we can do right now. I am working to see if we can get a local radio host there, and I am also attempting to make contact with someone from SAF as well. I would love to have tens of thousands of people, but this is a revolution, it might start small, but it will grow. Just because we can't make it an MLK million man march out the gate, but we will get there. We hope to have a website up here shortly, so stay tuned, and I will update everyone as soon as I get the info!! |
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I will be working with the two folks who started this and we will make sure there is a place to organize rides etc... |
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To all Californians we need your help in distributing copy's of this Hand bill and give to friends and your local gun shops .
Thanks, Van |
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Oh. This sounds suspiciously like an endorsement of plans for abduction or false imprisonment of troublemakers. Without a legal justification to arrest someone, this is just asking for a lawsuit regardless of whether the trouble maker is a someone who refuses to leave the camo at home or a Brady dissenter. Get a few more people on board with this and you can collect a conspiracy charge to boot.
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Sometimes the law defends plunder and participates in it. Sometimes the law places the whole apparatus of judges, police, prisons and gendarmes at the service of the plunderers, and treats the victim -- when he defends himself -- as a criminal. Bastiat “Everything the State says is a lie, and everything it has it has stolen.” Friedrich Nietzsche |
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