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How many people take advantage of Shall Issue?
Here is a link to WA state "CPL" by zipcode.
Wonder how this compares to other states, both shall issue and not? http://www.kirotv.com/gun-permits/ Last edited by YubaRiver; 11-15-2012 at 12:12 PM.. |
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Here's a quick by state list of CCWs issued. I have not verified the sources:
http://legallyarmed.com/ccw_statistics.htm
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I've seen some speculation that many of the people who get LTC when it becomes easier to get are the people who have been carrying anyway; in that case there is only a slight increase in the number of carriers. Florida says it has 977,000 'regular person' CCW as of Oct 31. Florida has about 14.8 million residents over 18 who might be eligible; trim 10% of that for ineligibles to get 13.3 million, and we get an outside figure of (.977/13.3 =) 7.4%.
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Someone else just reminded me of that, and the State report doesn't split out non-resident licenses. I was about to make that comment, but you got here first!
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And some people can’t be bothered to get the license. That doesn’t apply just to firearms either …
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In South Dakota, even though CCW permits are Shall issue after a $10 state fee maybe 2 people in ten have one. I've lived in this state for years and only met 1 guy who has one besides myself. Lots of people here own guns, but few here see the need or point in carrying one everywhere.
For all the screaming and teeth knashing about "gunfights in the street" , the reality of shall issue life is that maybe 20% of the population will go the trouble to get a permit. Up here the only requirements are $10 and a clean criminal record, and you'd think everyone and their dog would have a CCW. Funny enough that's not the case.
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It looks like in this WA state map that even the areas with the least percentage of
carry license it is 3%. Up to 17% in a few places. Open carry, loaded, is an option for folks too. |
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It might only be 3% but 3% of California would be more than 1,000,000 people.
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Currently, CA has less than 0.1% population with permit, so even 1% is a significant improvement. |
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Not bothersome, but most can't carry into their place of employement (company policy) so you have to leave it in the vehicle at work. That's bothersome.
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About half carry regularly.
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Dang makes me sad... I just looked at the neighborhood where I lived in Seattle for about 4 years... 738 permits... 2%... not that 2% is amazing, but I would love to have 2% where I live now because that would mean that they actually issue them. I should move back :/
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Having spoken quite candidly with a number of coworkers and recent acquaintances, it seems that there are a lot who "Haven't gotten around to it yet." Those people probably never will without some urging.
Depending on political make up, shall issue states seem to see anywhere from 2% to 5% actually getting permits. Understandably Florida and Utah are a bit high as they are the standard non resident states. I anticipate we'll migrate closer to that 5% number as the years progress and people become more familiar.
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My brother said it was so easy to get his LTC that is was painless. Still many gun owners asked why he would want one.
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I've had one for 20 year and I carry about 20 % of the time. It can be a real PITA, always worrying about printing. In the summer when clothes get lighter, it's worse. This is a great reminder that though we here think these issues are so important, most people don't really care that much
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Agreed. It reinforces the Jeff Cooper axiom that a gun doesn't make its owner a gunfighter any more than owning a guitar makes one a musician. Mindset is the real weapon at hand , not the firearm. In order to go through the steps to acquire a CCW permit its owner has to acknowledge that crime is an equal opportunity, 24/7 365 day a year business. A majority of our neighbors think violent crime is a faraway problem that will never happen to them. Why carry a gun if there's no threat ? (/sarcasm)
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I still don’t understand why those with get-out-of-jail-free cards are so obsessively concerned about printing.
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I know quite a few folks that claim to be pro gun, claim to be NRA members but for some reason or another don't get the LTC.
Only one guy that is a gun nut friend of mine refuses to get the permission slip.
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In the 43 states that are basically shall issue there are about 16 million LTCs. Those 7 other states and DC are 30% of the total population that haven't been able to get them.
We should get to nearly 23 million LTCs in the 5 years after we win carry in SCOTUS which is about 7.5% of the population. -Gene
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The other issue is that people who live in Free states and have fewer restrictions would probably feel less of a need to CCW.
I've had permits for the last 7 years and only carried maybe 5 times just for the heck of it. When I had an Orange County CA CCW, I carried every time I went out at night. LA/OC is like Somalia compared to other places I've lived. |
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Oh, you were serious.
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I was restricted from carrying in the court house and where alcohol was served. Being a non drinker, it was never a problem. |
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I had my WA permit that was valid until 2011 - love that 5 years for $60 thing. And if you show your mil ID @ Tacoma PD they laminate it for free. I cant remember if they printed it on the spot or mailed it to me later though.
Right now I have my AZ and am awaiting my FL.... I take advantage of it every chance I get! |
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Well, it's the same reason that I don't wear tight pants, the staring just gets sooooooo old......
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On numbers, this is only anecdotal, but the first tree LTC training classes I went to had one to three students. Last month there were sixty four. In a now essentially shall issue county. Progress.
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It pisses off the sheriff. Some jurisdictions will pull your permit for it. I think it has more to do with waisted time on MWG calls than any thing else.
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If Kalifornia is forced to issue, the bigger problem that never gets discussed is how counties like LA will handle the influx of applicants. LA county has approx 10 million people. Imagine if 2% of them apply; it will be years before they can get to everyone. Sacramento is much, much smaller and their back log is nearly a year.
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My wife doesn't know when I carry. I don't want you to know either.
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Mine only knows (and cares) because it determines who is driving back from dinner.
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