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Old 06-02-2018, 12:33 PM
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Default Santa Clara County Sheriff

Strange not much discussion about SCC Sheriff, but I guess we always have some craptastic choices year after year. Anything other than the corrupt Laurie Smith though, please... 5 terms of this nonsense is a testament to how uninformed our local voters are.

https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/05/...decade-tenure/

https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/05/...-laurie-smith/

The local associations and media seem to stand with the former Undersheriff John Hirokawa, but he doesn't seem like someone who is going to anything for the 2A around here (although it can't get much worse, eh?). https://www.johnhirokawa.com/

Seems Joe La Jeunesse is one of the only ones taking a clear stand on the 2A: https://votejoeforsheriff.com/issues/

I'll probably go with Joe.
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Yeah, I was pondering the same thing, and also settled on Joe as the "less-bad" option compared to incumbent Sheriff Laurie Smith.

I also voted against the Persky recall, because I don't want any CA judge issuing a pro-2A ruling to fear the sort of voter backlash that Persky is currently facing from the Liberal/Progressive mob.

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Runoff election between Hirokawa and Smith in November

https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/06/...early-returns/

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With 41 percent of the vote counted, amounting to over 126,000 votes,
Smith garnered 45.5 percent, followed by
Hirokawa with 30.4 percent,
La Jeunesse with 12 percent,
Salcido with 8 percent, and Monica with 4.1 percent.
I suppose the not-Smith votes will mostly go to Hirokawa, so he may win.
But either way CCW permits will be status quo after the runoff election. No soup for you.
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Heard that pd/sd recommended Smith
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Runoff election between Hirokawa and Smith in November

https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/06/...early-returns/



I suppose the not-Smith votes will mostly go to Hirokawa, so he may win.
But either way CCW permits will be status quo after the runoff election. No soup for you.
When there's a viable challenger, the incumbent will be more open to making deals to win.

Since Hirokawa is attacking Smith from the Left, smearing her with Trump, Smith needs to consolidate her support among the Right while not alienating the Middle. She can do that by quietly issuing more CCWs, without making a big fuss about it.

Hirokawa will clamp down even further on CCWs than Smith.

Too bad there isn't a local, pro 2nd A group on good terms with Smith to reach out to her....
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i voted la jeunessee. military background. pro 2a.

problem is, neither me or my wifes ballots have been counted yet...
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Smith will probably win. Hirokawa looks terrible, no thanks.
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From another thread:

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Santa Clara County sheriff candidates trade barbs, revive racist-text scandal at first general election debate
Five-term incumbent Santa Clara County Sheriff Laurie Smith and former Undersheriff John Hirokawa square off at NAACP forum ahead of rare runoff race


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The two also debated how the office issues concealed-carry weapons permits in the county. Smith has been accused of playing politics when deciding who receives the hard-to-get gun privilege.

Hirokawa said he “wants to take politics out of concealed-carry permits,” while Smith defended her practices, saying she has been judicious and doles them out based on an applicant having a “good defined need.”
More at: https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/09/...ection-debate/

Two observations: (1) the only way to "take politics out of concealed-carry permits" is to gut the GC requirement by making SD = GC. Is that what Hirokawa will do? Has anyone contacted his campaign to ask how he intends to "take politics out of concealed-carry permits"?

(2) If Smith is defending her current practices, don't expect her to change her ways. Unless Santa Clara Co folk step up and use the tactics San Diego Co Gun Owners did to get Gore to liberalize issuance, it probably won't happen with Smith. See here for what SDCGO did: http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...php?p=22052537
If you folk in Santa Clara Co want CCWs, time to donate $$$ and volunteer to help out Hirokawa's campaign.
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Just over 6 weeks until the election. Less than that for early/mail in ballots.

Santa Clara county is the most populous NorCal county with 1.8M residents. Yet no CGNers are posting saying they're getting involved to help Hirokawa beat Smith to try to increase CCW issuance? Don't you want CCWs?

You can read about Smith's latest political vulnerability due to regularly being over budget, especially with overtime pay, here:
https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/09/...-spending/amp/
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Remember: people may go to the range or local gun shops only once per month, if that. So you've got to get permission from those places and pro-Hirokawa materials up at them ASAP to have the maximum impact.

If you've never helped with a political campaign before and wonder what Hirokawa might need or ask of you, here's a list I found on Tom Lopez's campaign website (he won for sheriff of Yolo Co) where you click on options you're willing to do:

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List me as an endorser *
How would you like to be publicly listed?
Please select your description: *

I will walk precincts *

I will make phone calls *

I will host a house party *

I will post a yard sign *

I will write letters *
From: https://tomlopez4sheriff.com/join-us/

If you're a total newbie, Hirokawa's current people will help you get up to speed.

If you're too afraid to help out, when the SHTF you'll be too afraid to actually draw down on a BG and pull the trigger....
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Here's his official webpage: https://www.johnhirokawa.com/ and Facebook page; https://www.facebook.com/hirokawaforsheriff/

At the bottom, is the "Get involved" sign up.

I'm contacting today, will post back what they say about CCW.

**Gilroy visit- Hirakowa is speaking in town on Sept 26/6-8pm, the addy is on his webpage under "Events" tab.
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Less than a month to go until the Nov 6th election.

No real activity by CGNers (yours truly excepted) in trying to replace Smith with Hirokawa....

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/f...play.php?f=307

I guess Santa Clara Co CGNers don't want CCWs.
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We voted hirokawa. He's another flaming liberal like everyone else in the bay area but chances of displacing him after one term with someone more conservative leaning and more ccw friendly will be easier than it will be to replace the embedded, corrupt smith.
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We voted hirokawa. He's another flaming liberal like everyone else in the bay area but chances of displacing him after one term with someone more conservative leaning and more ccw friendly will be easier than it will be to replace the embedded, corrupt smith.
Not necessarily.

If Hirokawa wins, he'll be "embedded": the incumbent who easily raises support to win re-election. While Smith is getting up in years and may run once more, he's relatively young and could easily run for 4 or 5 more terms.

Be careful what you wish for....
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Personally I am going with Hirokawa.

We know exactly how Smith will be on CCW's for another term, whereas we don't know for sure how he will be.

I will take a slight chance over no chance every time.
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I just messaged (on Facebook) John Hirokawa regarding his policy on issuing concealed carry permits. He responded immediately with this comment:
"Unlike Laurie Smith, who uses her sole discretion to issue CCW permits to reward campaign contributors, I will implement an independent review committee who will review applications and make recommendations on who should and shouldn’t receive CCW permits based upon uniform criteria."
This has to be an improvement over Smith.
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I just messaged (on Facebook) John Hirokawa regarding his policy on issuing concealed carry permits. He responded immediately with this comment:
"Unlike Laurie Smith, who uses her sole discretion to issue CCW permits to reward campaign contributors, I will implement an independent review committee who will review applications and make recommendations on who should and shouldn’t receive CCW permits based upon uniform criteria."
This has to be an improvement over Smith.
So, instead of Santa Clara being "dark red" for the next 4 to 8 years, it will be "light red" for the next 20 to 24 years.... Whatever. Good luck!

Just pray a Trump packed SCOTUS finally delivers us a RBA in public and "strict scrutiny" standard of review in the next 2 to 3 years.
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I just messaged (on Facebook) John Hirokawa regarding his policy on issuing concealed carry permits. He responded immediately with this comment:
"Unlike Laurie Smith, who uses her sole discretion to issue CCW permits to reward campaign contributors, I will implement an independent review committee who will review applications and make recommendations on who should and shouldn’t receive CCW permits based upon uniform criteria."
This has to be an improvement over Smith.
It is interesting that he did not spell out what that uniform criteria would be. It would be good if self defense satisfied the good cause requirement as it does in my and many other counties. Maybe it would be helpful to point out that the refusal to issue CCWs to the residents of his county does not prevent those of us who live in other counties with less restrictive criteria from carrying in Santa Clara county.
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I asked:
Two more questions, John. How will the CCW permit review committee members be selected? Who will determine the uniform criteria? (Are these state mandated?)

John Hirokawa answered:
We are going to work on the uniform criteria with all stakeholders interested in the issue.
My vision or my plan would be to have a group of Sheriff's Office staff and community members to come up with the qualifications and process for the CCW. And another committee to select who should be issued a CCW based on need and just cause. This is in total contrast to the current practice of Laurie Smith selecting who does or does not receive a CCW, usually based upon contributing to her campaign. And to answer the last part of the question, there are no state mandates of how a Sheriff or Police Chief issues CCW's other than the individual applying may NOT be a felon. Thanks, John
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So now you must pass through no less than two separate committees to get a CCW if he wins?
I am voting for him, but it seems that he is simply extricating himself from a difficult position, instead of taking a stance.
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I think he is saying the first committee would determine the process and uniform criteria. Done. Once that was decided, the second committee would vote on whether each applicant met the requirements.
Yes, it sounds like he is not taking a stand, but is focusing on transparency and community involvement for his campaign. Knowing the local community's predominantly anti-gun stance, the criteria for getting a CCW permit would likely be difficult to meet.
As a side note, the audio was very low on his Facebook video, so I really don't know much else about him. I have hearing problems despite the hi-tech hearing aides.
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Just pray a Trump packed SCOTUS finally delivers us a RBA in public and "strict scrutiny" standard of review in the next 2 to 3 years.

What is an RBA?
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Just pray a Trump packed SCOTUS finally delivers us a RBA in public and "strict scrutiny" standard of review in the next 2 to 3 years.

What is an RBA?
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What is an RBA?
Right to Bear Arms. The Heller case back in 2008 dealt with our Right to Keep Arms, but not directly with our RBA. Thus, many of us in CA are still unable to legally OC or CC and a decade later are still serfs begging our sheriffs for state permission slips to CCW.

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Paladin that is good information. Yep, no OC or CCW here. Now I see what you meant by going from dark red to light red if Hirokawa wins.
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...the current practice of Laurie Smith selecting who does or does not receive a CCW, usually based upon contributing to her campaign...
LOL. He's a current Sheriff deputy and he said that. But if it's the truth its not libel.
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So, now that you all have had time to lick your wounds, are you going to start organizing for influencing who wins as sheriff in 2022???
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We should start thinking now how to get Smith out of there.
Let’s not wait until 2022..
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The CA CCW GC map, posted in #25 above, now shows the latest revisions: Sonoma Co has gone from light red to light green (we're now losing 6 to 3 in the SFBA), and Riverside Co has gone from light green to dark green (SD = GC).

IMO, in the SFBA the best chance to improve things is to get more people to apply in CoCoCo using my advice: http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s....php?t=1482924

The other chance is to get Sheriff Smith to liberalize CCW issuance. Just getting her to take Santa Clara Co to light red or yellow will be an improvement. But read over my advice linked above before talking with Smith (or her stand in) so that you do NOT get into an argument about the 2nd A -- that has NOTHING to do with CCWs per Peruta.

Organizing is easy using Facebook groups.
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