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Old 07-24-2017, 9:47 AM
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I guess what I'm asking is for recommendations on smaller framed pistols that are easily concealable and that other members' wives enjoy and are comfortable with. That way we can narrow down some options.
This has been pretty well covered by now, but just to echo... smaller framed guns feel great in small hands at the store, but not so much when actually shooting.

She'll need to carry it on her person - that can be difficult with a larger sized firearm. But here's the thing. If the tiny little pocket gun is uncomfortable to shoot, she won't want to practice. Finding the happy medium between a gun large enough to be fun to shoot (and easy to be accurate) and small enough to conceal.

For that, I choose the G19, but depending on how she plans to dress and where on her body she will carry it, this may not work. Although, if it's her own business, she could open carry it if she were so inclined. Might scare away her customers, tho...
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thanks all for the suggestions and input.

You have all been a tremendous help in narrowing down some options. Now the fun starts and we can hit the range so she can try them all out. I think the g19 and shield are some realistic options, but we will try full size as well, just to be certain.

you hit the nail on the head. She is not looking for anything aside from the ability and the confidence to defend herself should the need arise. She wants something basic, simple, easy to operate and maintain.
I think you've got a good plan. My wife and I (me mostly) test drove about 10-15 handguns before buying the ones we have.

I CCW regularly, and it's actually carrying a gun, feeling that weight all day, that really makes a difference. I LOVE my XD-9 Tactical, but honestly my 1940's 4" .38 is much more comfortable to carry due to shape/size, and the Shield absolutely disappears when I'm wearing it because it's so thin and light.

Not to get too personal, but have her consider her mode of carry too. There are some cool bra-mounted holsters now - though these, I think, are usually intended for a small LCP-type gun (depending on bust size & overall stature). Also, I've seen some great "thunderwear" type holsters that can conceal on her waist/hip or her inner thigh, anything in the LCR/Airweight all the way up to a Shield/compact 1911/subcompact glock/XD. (This latter type is great for dresses/skirts)

Could be she has several holsters/guns for her work outfits. Happy hunting!
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It depends on skill level and her desire to train.

A revolver is great if she wants to train enough but doesn't want to have to practice clearing the different malfunctions.

Ruger lcr and a companion lcr.22 for more training.
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If she decides to go the semi route then she must be interested in maintaining competency and improving.

Edit: Just saw this "She wants something basic, simple, easy to operate and maintain."

= a revolver.

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Both concealed and open carry are legal at one's business (she owns it, so her rules). This means that printing is not a problem and it will come down to the choice of how she wants to carry and what she wants to carry.

Generally, full size or larger compact guns are the best in her case. She will not hate shooting them at the range so she will become proficient. I would stay away from any subcompacts or pocket pistols - they are great for public carry.

Of course, it's her choice. It's just that I've seen too many inexperienced shooters going for my 360 PD and thinking that it's easy to shoot because it's super light, small and cuddly. Yet, it bites like a rattlesnake with full power loads. (That's one of the few guns I won't let inexperienced shooters try.)
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I need to know what kind of "shop" in order to make a handgun recommendation.
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I need to know what kind of "shop" in order to make a handgun recommendation.
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^^^ She will want something concealed and not printing. That's just the nature of the clientele.
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For reliability and simplicity, I would and do recommend a Glock 19 or 17.
This is for NON SHOOTING ENTHUSIASTS. People who just want a simple gun. It's what I recommended to my coworker and they like it...enough to add a 19 to the 17 they bought on my recommendation.

"Manual of Arms" I think is important. Just remember "it's always loaded, point and shoot". I of course, harry my coworker to go shooting with me at least once a month so she (and hubby) will practice, as I feel a little bit responsible.
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Another vote for a revolver; they are perfect for less experienced users. You don't have to worry about jams, FTE's, safeties, magazines, etc. Just load it, point and pull.

Give your wife a semi auto loaded with snap caps and simulate a FTE while she is running down a hallway. See how long it takes her to clear, rack, and be ready to fire.

My wife has many guns she could choose from but she favors J frame Smiths in .38 special. Get an all-steel version for extra weight, something like a 640.
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I shot all sorts of stuff with my 60 yo mother last year. She went G26 of all things. Would not have been my first thought but she feels comfortable and goes and practices bimonthly with it. Mission accomplished.
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What has she shot so far? What did she like or not like about them? How often does she shoot?
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There's a ladies sub-forum available for questions such as the OP's.
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/f...play.php?f=153

There's also another forum for women firearms owners or prospective owners:
http://www.corneredcat.com

I'll refrain from further discussion as this is a broader topic having to do with personal & business security. Merely discussing what handgun to purchase is likely over-simplifying things when I couldn't even necessarily advise a handgun is or should be part of one's security system. All handguns mentioned so far are all viable handguns.
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My wife carries a M&P9c, a Springfield XD or a Ruger LC9s. Of those 3 the M&P see the most time out of the safe. She also enjoys shooting her 1911 Commander 45acp, her CZ 9mm SAO, and recently her P239 in 9mm.

She tells me that the Ruger is coming off at renewal time to be replaced by the 239.

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I would absolutely not recommend a shield or 43 for a business defense gun. I believe by law she can keep a gun for defense of premises without a permit. Don't choose a gun designed for concealed carry. Get something with a 4inch barrel at a minimum. I have yet to meet anyone let alone a woman who enjoys heavy training with a shield or 43
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I actually did not read anyone's post before writing mine above (except original) then did afterwards. I didn't see anywhere in his post about his wife carrying concealed. Plus if she chooses to most women carry a purse or small clutch that can be used to carry a full size weapon without the presumptions a fanny pack on a man gives to bystanders.
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Personally I'd post the question in the Ladies forum: http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/f...play.php?f=153
Why ask a guy what a woman can shoot or like when you can ask a woman what they shoot or recommend? (Or women)
Yeah we can tell you what our wives or daughter's like but you can get it directly from them.

Yes be involved in the purchase but just to the point to prevent someone, anyone from telling her what she should buy.
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Hey all,

So my wife wife is opening a shop and wants to get a pistol. I have always wanted her to be confident in being able to defend herself should the need arise. Now that she is opening her own business she is taking this more seriously.

That brings me to ask y'all for help. I have been looking at the S&W shield for her since it is a compact frame and affordable. I also have a buddy who has offered to sell me is Glock 43, but it'll cost me more.

What do your wives or GF like to shoot? What are they comfortable with? Do you have any other recommendations?

Right now she has limited experience with firearms. We have gone shooting and she is a decent shot, but will need TONS more practice. This would be her gun and she would learn it and how to use it, clean it, maintain it.

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good plan to rent.
then rent some more.
what feels comfortable in the hand at the counter does not always feel good when shooting.

she needs to get her certificate.
she should take a class.

many classes are geared to assisting with the first purchase.

she will also need to consider how she is planning to carry the pistol while in the shop.

she will need to understand California law re self-defense.

all these can be addressed by taking some classes.

she can learn to rack a slide by watching some youtube videos by women for women. we do not use hand strength as much as we use a push/pull motion.

it is ok to start with one caliber and later get a higher caliber.

again, she needs to get her certificate and make sure she understands California gun laws.

if it really is to be her gun then she needs to own it in all ways.
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Just use it for an excuse to keep buying "her" guns till you find the right one...good way to check off your wanted to buy list with the idea of finding her the one she wants of course :D
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My wife is still mad at me for selling "her" baby Detonics 45. I paid $150 and got an $1100 shotgun and $200 cash he even paid the DROS. It was a no-brainer. She is happy again since I bought her a Glock 26. BTW i swapped the shotgun for a very nice Ruger No1V tack driver worth $11-1200.
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My wife is still mad at me for selling "her" baby Detonics 45. I paid $150 and got an $1100 shotgun and $200 cash he even paid the DROS. It was a no-brainer. She is happy again since I bought her a Glock 26. BTW i swapped the shotgun for a very nice Ruger No1V tack driver worth $11-1200.
proving it was never really her gun.
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Just use it for an excuse to keep buying "her" guns till you find the right one...good way to check off your wanted to buy list with the idea of finding her the one she wants of course :D
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if she has small hands like my wife, i'd recommend the Glock 19. The place that I go to, took measurements of her hand(while holding the gun), shaved off the finger grooves, took some off the back strap, and did a custom stipple. Also upgraded the stock sight to trij HD.

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next question: afro or non-afro?

IIRC there was a discrimination case because a barber refused to work on a Black person's hair, but IIRC its two totally diff skill sets, and lord knows you can't put it back on.

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She's a complete newb. Won't have a clue what's a good gun versus a bad gun so just give her a G34 and tell her that's the best gun. After few months of shooting it, she can rent several other guns to fine-tune her preference.
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Precisely. She will be the one to choose it, but we need help narrowing it down. She has shot my Sig sp2020 but it seems to be too big for her hands.

I guess what I'm asking is for recommendations on smaller framed pistols that are easily concealable and that other members' wives enjoy and are comfortable with. That way we can narrow down some options.


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Precisely. She will be the one to choose it, but we need help narrowing it down. She has shot my Sig sp2020 but it seems to be too big for her hands.

I guess what I'm asking is for recommendations on smaller framed pistols that are easily concealable and that other members' wives enjoy and are comfortable with. That way we can narrow down some options.
I didn't see the "concealable" part either. OP, youre sure she can get a CCW?
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I didn't see the "concealable" part either. OP, youre sure she can get a CCW?

She wants it for protection at her business....legal to CCW it
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As others have said, don't discount revolvers. You pick it up, aim it and squeeze the trigger. It goes bang. Unless she is into guns and likes to get to the range every so often, shooting a semi might be more complicated than necessary which could reduce its effectiveness for her.

I regularly instruct new female shooters. It is rare that I can't get them comfortable with whatever they bring to class unless they find the gun too big and unwieldy. As others have pointed out, she has to feel good with it. If the firearm doesn't feel good to her after using it a while (they all can feel weird initially), then try another one.

My wife's most recent gun is a Sig P238. Sure, not a cannon, but she likes it. She has had the opportunity to shoot just about every style and caliber of handgun made and we regularly go to SHOT so she is pretty up on what is available.
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I have a Kahr PM9 for sale. People perceive recoil differently, but to me, it feels like a soft shooter for a small gun. To me, softer shooter than a Shield or G26.
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It is very difficult to figure out cost vs. life.
I guarantee you 10.00 to 10,000,000.00 whatever she has is better than nothing.
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My wife has a shield, but she's gone through several pistol classes with a full size M&P. Which one she chooses depends on what she's gonna be doing with it. If it's for CCW, it'll be the shield. If it's OWB carry or at the range she'll go full size all day.
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Just use it for an excuse to keep buying "her" guns till you find the right one...good way to check off your wanted to buy list with the idea of finding her the one she wants of course
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Try the CZ P-01 and the Sig 239 (9mm) or 238 (.380)... all fell great in smaller-medium hands. Have a heavier frame for recoil, 239 with single stack is especially nice on recoil.
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And do check with a (gun law) lawyer regarding concealed carry by business owner. In a much earlier thread there was an indication that CCW (without a license) by business owner would not be legal in a rented location.

Gun priorities: reliability, fit-to-hand, manageable recoil, safety configuration, capacity, ability to conceal/dimensions, .... I wouldn't recommend a safety unless the user is going to practice a good deal. There can be nothing about presenting a gun from all conditions that you have to think about.
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My wife likes my Beretta 92 because it has larger grips and she has bad arthritis plus the trigger in sa is nice she says its easy to pull. The slide is easy to rack also. But then again she has bad hands so thats why she likes the Beretta over sum of my other guns.
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Precisely. She will be the one to choose it, but we need help narrowing it down. She has shot my Sig sp2020 but it seems to be too big for her hands.

I guess what I'm asking is for recommendations on smaller framed pistols that are easily concealable and that other members' wives enjoy and are comfortable with. That way we can narrow down some options.

Hey,

how about the Beretta Cheetah (81FS in .32 Auto) or the 84FS (in .380 Auto).
I have a 82bb and love that little gun. Very accurte, very nice to shoot with very little recoil.
The Frame is Beretta typical with alloy frame and open top slide. Blowback System (makes a bit hard to rack the slide).
The 84 comes with a double stack mag holding 13 rounds of .380s.

The grip size fits small and medium hand very nicely. The Trigger is a DA/SA with a very nice DA and SA Triggerpull.

http://www.beretta.com/en/serie-80/

Other one could be a Walther PK380 in .380 Auto. I have one myself and like it. Very ewasy to rack slide and very little recoil. The grip ergonomics are very nice.

http://www.waltherarms.com/handguns/pk380/

If she would prefer a 9mm, check out the CZ75 compact pistols. Very high quality, paired with double stack mags, but a grip that will fit small and medium hands.
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