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Old 01-15-2018, 9:33 PM
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A friend who lives in a free state want to purchase a $900 handgun (private sale). His main concern is . . . what happen if the gun is in stolen status.

The seller lives in a different county and with travel, time and the $900, he would be out a bit. The $900 handgun price is in line with current market value. Everything sounds ok, no obvious red flags. The seller would provide bill of sale.

His local PD will not make a courtesy NCIC lookup and rightfully so.

Even the seller does not know 100% if the gun is stolen or not because he bought it privately prior as well and his local PD also will not do NCIC.

So at this point, is there anything can be done to make sure its not stolen or is it just a gamble.

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Old 01-16-2018, 12:07 AM
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Is the buyer originally from CA?
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Is the buyer originally from CA?
Buyer was born in CA, however, moved and lives in NV for over 30 years now.
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Buyer was born in CA, however, moved and lives in NV for over 30 years now.
Then he should know better. Tell him to either buy the thing or don’t. When he meets the seller his gut should tell him everything he needs to know. I’ve bought many guns in Walmart parking lots, never had a problem. I never understood the “well there’s a 1% chance it's stolen, so let’s worry” notion.
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Then he should know better. Tell him to either buy the thing or don’t. When he meets the seller his gut should tell him everything he needs to know. I’ve bought many guns in Walmart parking lots, never had a problem. I never understood the “well there’s a 1% chance it's stolen, so let’s worry” notion.
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Either way guns in better hands after purchase, right?
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Old 01-16-2018, 6:38 AM
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When purchasing tell him to take a bill of sale and have the seller sign it and take a picture of each others license.
That way he can print it out, keep it with the BOS in the safe.
Ive had to do this multiple times in Az.

It clears you of wrongdoing but if the odd chance the weapon is stolen, they confiscate it unless its been a long period of time.
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We are now required/supposed to do backgrounds here.

I used to run courtesy stolen checks on private sale guns all the time (LEDS/NCIC), also for bikes, trailers, small campers, phones, you name it.

Have your friend call around, the gun will show stolen nationwide, shouldn't matter who he calls.
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A BGC will not tell if a gun is stolen. You can have the local PD run the serial number to see if the gun comes back as stolen.

Once upon a time I bought a Ruger Mk2 pistol. From a Nashville Metro cop, through an evidence technician. About a year later I got pulled over in Reno and the cop ran the serial number on the gun. Turns out it was stolen. I was in jail for about 5 hours until I could bond out. The DA dropped the charges against me because the gun had disappeared from the Police evidence lockup at the Nashville airport (pre TSA), and since I had no access to that facility and had no reason to believe I was buying a stolen item, I was GTG. Also since I provided the name of the evidence tech and a list of the other items the cop had for sale, Nashville PD had been led to making some other interesting discoveries.
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Then he should know better. Tell him to either buy the thing or don’t. When he meets the seller his gut should tell him everything he needs to know. I’ve bought many guns in Walmart parking lots, never had a problem. I never understood the “well there’s a 1% chance it's stolen, so let’s worry” notion.
^This. Don't over think a simple gun purchase. I do not record DL info unless the weapon is C&R and then I'm required to get basic info from the seller or buyer.
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I'd say if he's worried then don't buy ppt.

PPT where I live is simple.. Meet someone, checkout the gun, maybe chat with the seller abit... Can do a bill of sale... Don't have to. Buy it..drive away..
No registration.. Simple

The California mindset makes people worry too much.
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i can understand OP friend's fear.

i mean i wouldn't want to be out $900 on the chance that the gun is stolen, nor deal with the police concerning a stolen firearm.

i'm surprised the local PD won't run a serial# check of the pistol. that should be something the police should be happy to do in order to help prevent & recover stolen firearms.
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i can understand OP friend's fear.

i mean i wouldn't want to be out $900 on the chance that the gun is stolen, nor deal with the police concerning a stolen firearm.

i'm surprised the local PD won't run a serial# check of the pistol. that should be something the police should be happy to do in order to help prevent & recover stolen firearms.
It sounds like he asked them to do a NICS check on a PPT, which they wont do, and would not matter anyway since they would not run the serial number on a NICS check.
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Yeah he just doesn't want any issues down the road if that 1% turns out to be true. Its understandable we all try to mitigate risk but in this case, if NCIC is not available to him, its pretty much luck of the draw then. Thanks all.
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Yeah he just doesn't want any issues down the road if that 1% turns out to be true. Its understandable we all try to mitigate risk but in this case, if NCIC is not available to him, its pretty much luck of the draw then. Thanks all.

The police will happily run a serial number check to see if it comes back as stolen.
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I'd say if he's worried then don't buy ppt.

PPT where I live is simple.. Meet someone, checkout the gun, maybe chat with the seller abit... Can do a bill of sale... Don't have to. Buy it..drive away..
No registration.. Simple

The California mindset makes people worry too much.

Exactly my thoughts as I witnessed my son purchase a handgun in a Walmart parking lot in Utah. Get a copy (picture) of the Bill of Sale if you are worried.
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Count me in the "know by your gut" group, but...

http://www.hotgunz.com/

Based on self-reported serials and by no means comprehensive, but i've seen it floated from time to time.
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how so?

i've been here going on 3 years now and it's amazing the difference between NV and CA
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Here we shake hands, exchange money for private property, shake hands again, and leave. If your gut tells you he's a ****bag, walk away. Would your buddy run serial numbers on a used lawn mower or dewalt drill off Craigslist?


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i've been here going on 3 years now and it's amazing the difference between NV and CA
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My understanding is that law was struck down.
While the Nevada Question 1 passed, requiring background checks on all firearm transfers, the enforcement is blocked:

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On December 28, 2016, Attorney General Adam Paul Laxalt (R) said the initiative could not be enforced due to the refusal of the FBI to participate in the expanded background checks. Question 1 was designed to require background checks for firearm transfers between unlicensed individuals, also known as private-party sales, which would take place through the FBI's National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICBCS). According to a letter from the FBI to Nevada, "the recent passage of the Nevada legislation [Question 1] regarding background checks for private sales cannot dictate how federal resources are applied." Furthermore, Nevada is one of 12 states with a state-run background checks system and does not depend on the FBI to perform existing background checks.[1]

The FBI suggested that the Nevada Department of Public Safety's Criminal History Repository (CHR) conduct the background checks of private-party sales and transfers. However, Attorney General Laxalt concluded that such a move would violate the initiative's language. The CHR is responsible for other background checks in Nevada.[2] He stated, "The Act is very specific that the only background check it authorizes for a private sale or transfer is directly through the FBI."
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http://www.hotgunz.com/

Based on self-reported serials and by no means comprehensive, but i've seen it floated from time to time.
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Just curious . . . checks and balances, dot the i cross the t doesn't appeal to free state residents? You wouldn't look into steps or investigate all possible channels to prevent you buying a stolen gun? Not only money is at stake but just the drama and aftermath of dealing with the law. I do respect your casualness but I don't believe all free state residents are this causal.
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Just curious . . . checks and balances, dot the i cross the t doesn't appeal to free state residents? You wouldn't look into steps or investigate all possible channels to prevent you buying a stolen gun? Not only money is at stake but just the drama and aftermath of dealing with the law. I do respect your casualness but I don't believe all free state residents are this causal.
NO.

If I feel bad about the deal, I dont do it, buying or selling. Have bought a lot of guns in the parking lot at Bass Pro or Home depot. Just bought a Beretta 1301 in the parking lot at a gas station, a couple days after I bought a handgun at a parking lot at another gas station.
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Just curious . . . checks and balances, dot the i cross the t doesn't appeal to free state residents? You wouldn't look into steps or investigate all possible channels to prevent you buying a stolen gun? Not only money is at stake but just the drama and aftermath of dealing with the law. I do respect your casualness but I don't believe all free state residents are this causal.
NO! It's intrusive, unnecessary and leads to what you have to deal with in CA. Back to your hole, Bloomberg troll.
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that did get shot down 2shot - i agree, the law did pass but the AG declared it unenforceable, but yes, they tried

there were several 'ordinances' restricting gun carry/transport in some areas of Las Vegas, including North Las Vegas that were struck down in June of 2015, abolished from the books

we've actually gained on our gun rights here in the last 2 years 2shot, they even got rid of the Blue Card system, which was a Clark County handgun registration requirement

i won't say they're not trying, but we still have good numbers here when it comes to our gun rights, plus, protections within the Nevada State Constitution too
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Just curious . . . checks and balances, dot the i cross the t doesn't appeal to free state residents? You wouldn't look into steps or investigate all possible channels to prevent you buying a stolen gun? Not only money is at stake but just the drama and aftermath of dealing with the law. I do respect your casualness but I don't believe all free state residents are this causal.
How do you check for stolen property at garage sales, flee markets, craigslist, ebay? Do you check the invoices of your local mom & pop stores? Have you researched your birthday/Christmas gifts? Do you record yourself at night to make sure you aren't sleep stealing?

Guns are plain normal regular property, like cars, tools, furniture, appliances, electronics, art, baseball cards, clothes, whatever.
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There is indeed a right and the remedy is that the nanny state can keep its hands out of the process of transferring private property.

Again, back to your hole!
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How do you check for stolen property at garage sales, flee markets, craigslist, ebay? ....

Guns are plain normal regular property, like cars, tools, furniture, appliances, electronics, art, baseball cards, clothes, whatever.
It depends on what I'm buying. If I'm buying a couple of folding chairs for $5 each, I don't care all that much.

If I'm buying a gold Rolex or a painting for $15,000, I care very much -- not only about whether it's stolen, but also authenticity. So there’s an old saying: One buys the seller, not the thing.
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There is indeed a right and the remedy is that the nanny state can keep its hands out of the process of transferring private property.

Again, back to your hole!
You are somewhat educated. Good for you. Don't be too grumpy, life's short. Further, never assume everyone in ca or once lived in ca think alike unless you are just narrow-minded no matter what, then this whole message board are full of people you dislike but I wonder why are you on here then? entertainment? no problem. If you screen name is in fact true, I'm fairly sure you are a little older than I'm, with that said, I won't respond by calling you names or use unpleasant language or go rounds with you. Best to you.
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Here we shake hands, exchange money for private property, shake hands again, and leave. If your gut tells you he's a ****bag, walk away. Would your buddy run serial numbers on a used lawn mower or dewalt drill off Craigslist?
Same here in Idaho. If I get a bad vibe with a phone call, which, incidentally, has never happen, I would not go forward. Last ppt I did was for a Model 41. Seller is a sworn Idaho probation and parole officer. The exchange was done in my car at the P & P facility in Boise.

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Just curious . . . checks and balances, dot the i cross the t doesn't appeal to free state residents? You wouldn't look into steps or investigate all possible channels to prevent you buying a stolen gun? Not only money is at stake but just the drama and aftermath of dealing with the law. I do respect your casualness but I don't believe all free state residents are this causal.
Then it appears you don't know many free state residents.


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I remember doing face to face sales in CA, back when it was legal.
Based on what I see and the folks I know in CA, ftf continues to be done without a licensee. Normally it's done between old friends, and I've seen it many times in both northern and central California.
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Same here in Idaho. If I get a bad vibe with a phone call, which, incidentally, has never happen, I would not go forward. Last ppt I did was for a Model 41. Seller is a sworn Idaho probation and parole officer. The exchange was done in my car at the P & P facility in Boise.

I’m here in ID too my brother. BTW, I’ve got a spare fde scar 16 for sale if you have any interest. $1,800 and I’ll buy lunch after the parking lot sale is completed.




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You are somewhat educated. Good for you. Don't be too grumpy, life's short. Further, never assume everyone in ca or once lived in ca think alike unless you are just narrow-minded no matter what, then this whole message board are full of people you dislike but I wonder why are you on here then? entertainment? no problem. If you screen name is in fact true, I'm fairly sure you are a little older than I'm, with that said, I won't respond by calling you names or use unpleasant language or go rounds with you. Best to you.
Stay in California, please. Sounds like it's the right place for you.
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Then he should know better. Tell him to either buy the thing or don’t. When he meets the seller his gut should tell him everything he needs to know. I’ve bought many guns in Walmart parking lots, never had a problem. I never understood the “well there’s a 1% chance it's stolen, so let’s worry” notion.
People always want to meet at sportsman's warehouse around here. You show up and see 5 other guys just sitting in they're cars waiting, always near the flag pole too.
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Just curious . . . checks and balances, dot the i cross the t doesn't appeal to free state residents? You wouldn't look into steps or investigate all possible channels to prevent you buying a stolen gun? Not only money is at stake but just the drama and aftermath of dealing with the law. I do respect your casualness but I don't believe all free state residents are this causal.
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I’m here in ID too my brother. BTW, I’ve got a spare fde scar 16 for sale if you have any interest. $1,800 and I’ll buy lunch after the parking lot sale is completed.
Think about a deal where I've got the cash, and you buy dinner for me, wife, and my extended family of 23 people.

A straw poll I did just before I posted resulted in the majority selecting either Chandlers or Ruth Chris in Boise.

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And you are correct, and it is like falling off a log. I posted an "I'll take it" for an ex-Utah HP 870 Wingmaster. Called the seller and visited for a minute or two. Zero craziness or "bad vibe" detected. Later in the call, he offered me a second 870 Wingmaster from the same department, and knocked another $50 of each shotgun.

He got a PayPal within 5 minutes, and I got 2 great guns from my LGS 3 days later. $25 transfer charge for both guns, and my CWL instead of NICS. No complaints.
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