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Hi all, I am very confused on the matter of AR pistols and AW registration.
I would prefer not to have to register mine as an AW.
Do I just need to install a prince50 mag lock instead of a Bullet button and replace the FH for a brake?

what are other options?

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Old 01-01-2018, 9:28 PM
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You don't need to replace the FH, just swap the BB for a prince50.
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What is the main problem with registration? You get to keep all the cool features as long as it's registered

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All the pistol is already being registered when you buy the pistol, just do the AW register for ar-pistol. Since they already have it on file
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not really. not all people buy pistols, specially AR pistols.

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Registration will lead to confiscation. People don’t get it. California considers these assault weapons and extra dangerous. They don’t want these things in the state.
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Has the handgun registration lead to confiscation? I think they are over stepping boundaries but registration isn't the end of the world.

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Assault weapon registration is a different animal. Besides. Once they take away your “assault weapon” you’ll say well at least we get to keep our handguns. Then they’ll take those next.

Do not register. I’m not saying break the law but be smart people. It’s a slippery slope.
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All the pistol is already being registered when you buy the pistol, just do the AW register for ar-pistol. Since they already have it on file
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SKS registration has.
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Then why do it? You might some day want to sell it and there is no mechanism that forces DOJ to delist it as a RAW.
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I dont like the distination requirements on travelling with a RAW, especially since an ar pistol is such a good trunk gun
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Hi all, I am very confused on the matter of AR pistols and AW registration.
I would prefer not to have to register mine as an AW.
Do I just need to install a prince50 mag lock instead of a Bullet button and replace the FH for a brake?

what are other options?

Thanks in advance.
If you legally acquired it from 2001-2016, then you have the following options, for an AR style pistol, until 07-01-2018:

A. RAW.
^Register it as an assault weapon.

B. Semi-auto pistol with a fixed 10 or less round magazine.
^Install a device that will contain the magazine in the firearm and prevent it from being removed without disassembling the firarm's action or permanently attach (weld/epoxy/rivet) the magazine into the firearm's magazine well.

C. Manually operated pistol.
^Remove the gas tube/piston and plug the gas block.

D. Disassembled parts.
^Disassemble the firearm into parts and never assemble them while in CA. It is also prudent to store/transport the parts in different containers/locations.

E. Out-of-state.
^Take the firearm out-of-state for storage or to transfer it through an out-of-state FFL dealer.

F. CA FFL dealer with assault weapons permit.
^Sell the firearm to a CA FFL dealer with an assault weapons permit.

G. Law Enforcement.
^Surrender the firearm to law enforcement for destruction.
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Count on Excremento making these illegal here next year. Mine has a Franklin DFM mag but I now keep it at home.

If it is made illegal I'll use that lower for a featureless rifle build. It's home made and will never be registered with any authority here.

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If you legally acquired it from 2001-2016, then you have the following options, for an AR style pistol, until 07-01-2018:

A. RAW.
^Register it as an assault weapon.

B. Semi-auto pistol with a fixed 10 or less round magazine.
^Install a device that will contain the magazine in the firearm and prevent it from being removed without disassembling the firarm's action or permanently attach (weld/epoxy/rivet) the magazine into the firearm's magazine well.

C. Manually operated pistol.
^Remove the gas tube/piston and plug the gas block.

D. Disassembled parts.
^Disassemble the firearm into parts and never assemble them while in CA. It is also prudent to store/transport the parts in different containers/locations.

E. Out-of-state.
^Take the firearm out-of-state for storage or to transfer it through an out-of-state FFL dealer.

F. CA FFL dealer with assault weapons permit.
^Sell the firearm to a CA FFL dealer with an assault weapons permit.

G. Law Enforcement.
^Surrender the firearm to law enforcement for destruction.

B. is relative to my interests, thank you for the succinct summary’s.
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fixed mag for mine.
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SKS registration has.
Why not the many other models on the list as well?


OP, get a fixed magazine deal like the FC Hook and either Mean Arms or Bear Flag loader.
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Thank you all for your help.
Can you also suggest what can be done with the HK (mp5) and Uzi pistol clones . These are registered as singleshot pistols currently.
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Thank you all for your help.
Can you also suggest what can be done with the HK (mp5) and Uzi pistol clones . These are registered as singleshot pistols currently.
Keep them as single shots.
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I'm kind of in the same boat. Looking to go fixed mag. What's the consensus on the best fixed mag option out there?
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Are the old prince50 mag locks with the set screw considered fixed magazine ?
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Are the old prince50 mag locks with the set screw considered fixed magazine ?
There's some concern that with some kits, an Allen head driver, and a convoluted procedure you can change the magazine out without separating the upper and lower and thus be in violation of the BS law.

FC Hook and the Franklin DFM by design can't be removed without separation of the upper and lower.
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I’m a fan of the FC Hook.
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https://torqueprecision.com/products/fc-hook
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FC Hook and double feed

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Ill register atleast one. They were/are so easy to make...big deal.

Ar parts are cheap.
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GTG on the FC Hook/Franklin DFM. Add on BF-10 “loaders” and you are squared away.
https://www.bearflagdefense.com/pages/bf-10
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No prince 50 are not acceptable for fixed mag. Armaglock, rivet mag, fill set screw area with black epoxy =no more BB or prince function.
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This is what I am doing with mine.
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If it came down to confiscation or removing from the state, I'd move my stuff to NV anyways.
Don't see much of a downside to registering an already registered (pistol) weapon.

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If it came down to confiscation or removing from the state, I'd move my stuff to NV anyways.
Don't see much of a downside to registering an already registered (pistol) weapon.

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You don't need to replace the FH, just swap the BB for a prince50.
If you are referring to the original Prince-50 from 2007, no, that does not qualify as a fixed magazine any more than the bullet button does.
To qualify as a fixed magazine, the magazine must not be removable without partial disassembly of the action.
Just as it did in 2007, backing out the setscrew on the Prince-50 creates an AW.

Prince *is* now making the "Patriot Button" which is compliant.

Likewise, Franklin DFM magazine, FC Hook, Hogue Freedom Fighter... there are a dozen or more options now.
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You don't need to replace the FH, just swap the BB for a prince50.
Sorry, a P50 lock does NOT fit the new legal definition of "fixed magazine". The magazine can still be removed without "disassembling the action". I really like the simplicity of the Maglatch for ARs but, not for AKs. Unfortunately, I have been able to defeat the AK Maglatch without disassembling the action so, I can not endorse it even though it is a very well made product. However, their AR Maglatch is a great design that can be used in conjunction with one of the ejection port loading systems or even the AR magazine that loads from the side.
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Don't see much of a downside to registering an already registered (pistol) weapon.
1 - Illegal to ever will it to your children within California
2 - Illegal to ever sell it to someone else within California
3 - Illegal for it to be in the possession of ANYONE under 21
4 - Illegal to transport it by any means except between specific destinations (no stopping at Denny's on the way to/from the range)
5 - Illegal to lend it to another person unless you are constantly present

Ya... there's quite a number of reasons to avoid RAW status. Just because the state "already knows about it" is the least of your problems after registration.
The transportation requirements are far more strict than the handgun transportation requirements, which include, when in a motor vehicle, "be unloaded and in a locked container"

You can't legally drive round 24/7 with a RAW locked in your trunk.
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Does the answer change if it we're an AR pistol built from an 80% back in 2014 under SSE? What has to be done by 6/30/18?

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