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Default Matching 1955 Type 53 - Vietnam bringback with Paperwork

Hey everyone,

This is another recent acquisition where I took a gamble on an auction and lucked out bigtime. It's my second, but nicest, Vietnam bringback Type 53.

The pictures truly speak for themselves, it shows some patina but is in comparably excellent condition for a firearm that saw service in Vietnam. Bore is mint. Can anyone ID the sling? Looks like USGI, like a gas mask carrier strap.










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Yet another prime example of a firearm from 81turbota. Thanks for showing us.
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Very nice looking papered bring-back, congrats!
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Damn that’s a nice find!
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The large strap being used as a sling is US GI. It is a general purpose carrying strap that was used for carrying everything from field telephones to medics aid bags.

The small strap looks familiar, but I can't place it right now. I want to say it's part of a helmet chin strap.
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Thanks everyone! I now need a documented SKS to round out the "basic" Vietnam collection. T53, Tokarev and SKS.

People like Saigon1965 will say otherwise

Dustoff31- Thank you very much. Were you Dustoff? I was a crew chief in Bavarian Dustoff, 45th Med.
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Thanks everyone! I now need a documented SKS to round out the "basic" Vietnam collection. T53, Tokarev and SKS.

People like Saigon1965 will say otherwise

Dustoff31- Thank you very much. Were you Dustoff? I was a crew chief in Bavarian Dustoff, 45th Med.
Yes, I was a flight medic with the 542nd, "DMZ Dustoff" at Camp Page, ROK back in the mid '90s.
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Oh, hell. I would buy that in a heartbeat. Bah. If you ever wanna sell it, I'm you're dude.
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The large strap being used as a sling is US GI. It is a general purpose carrying strap that was used for carrying everything from field telephones to medics aid bags.

The small strap looks familiar, but I can't place it right now. I want to say it's part of a helmet chin strap.
I noticed the USGI strap also. I have a Chinese SKS Vietnam bring back that also came home with the same USGI bag strap as a sling.
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Very nice piece of documented history. Congratulations .. Great photo opp too thanks for sharing : )
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That's really a neat rifle, with a great history!!

I had a 1955 dated T-53 with a relatively close SN... Mine was imported just after 1986.

Amazing how these rifles traveled the world!! and both ended up in the US...
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Congrats James. That's a fine piece for your papered bring back collection.
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Very nice find!
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Thanks everyone! I'm always on the hunt for these documented guns.
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Be careful, With all those documented papers the democrats will profile you and come and get that thing
.... ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
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Nice catch OP!

The sling looks like a Korean War era US musette bag strap like the one for sale on this site:

http://www.doughboymilitary.com/details.php?cid=4
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How are barrels in bright shiny condition? Did they use corrosive ammo and clean after use? That blueing looks really good.
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How are barrels in bright shiny condition? Did they use corrosive ammo and clean after use? That blueing looks really good.
This one was likely captured from a cache. Bore looks factory new. My other Vietnam bringback T53 has a very good bore with some frosting near the throat.

Thanks for the info onelonehorseman!
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Decent condition shooter T53 = Uncommon

All matching very good condition T53 = Nearly Impossible

All of the above + papered bringback = Jedi Master
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That is quite impressive. Congrats!
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Very sweet. PAX
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Thanks Gents!
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Wonderful find 81T!

She's a beaut! Docs are complete - Sometimes guys have only part of the needed docs -

I can't make out whom signed the Viet export paper - Would you obliged please -

Have you researched the vet?
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Very nice. I've seen those same straps on 2 quart canteens
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Nice, love those papered bring-backs!!
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the small web strap looped on the rear for the sling looks similiar to the strap used on a early M56 web pouch for M16 magazines.

notice the type of buckle matches this mag pouch?



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Wow! This is a very nice one. All the paper works have no yellowing and in excellent condition.
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I can't make out whom signed the Viet export paper - Would you obliged please -
My guess is Ton That Chuoc or "Tôn Thất Chược" in Vietnamese.


OP,
This last name belongs to the members of the Nguyen Dynasty royal family. If Ton That Chuoc is closely related to this person then you got yourself a nice piece of history.
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Can you do me a favor, and check to see if your T-53 has a counter bore on the muzzle.

I have a non import marked T-53, probably a "cache" rife and bring back... But no papers.. It's still packed with grease and has some of the same proofs on the stock "66 in a circle". I'm wondering if that designated some refurb armory??

Mine has the counter bore, and has been through a refurb as the bolt was renumbered to match.
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Wow, excellent information everyone! Thanks for helping identify the USGI components of the sling.

Rookie Shooter, I would have never put those two together. That warrants a lot more research! Thanks!

SVT, no counter bore on this one. My other Vietnam bringback was an Arsenal refurb, I wasn't aware they did that to T53's. It has a 4 digit force match number on the bolt and buttplate. No counter bore either. It's a 1954.5 so factory 296. I have the DD603 for this one, no other paperwork.

Pics here:
http://forums.gunboards.com/showthre...tnam-bringback

Saigon, here is the picture you requested. I cannot read Vietnamese, I will have to bring a copy for a coworker to translate. The signature is too much of a scribble to identify. As for the research- the veteran's ASN is clearly legible despite the effort to cross it out. I will try to track down some extended family as well as give my friend the ASN for the National Archives.

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T.L. Tong Truong Noi Vu = Signee for Minister of interior

Tong thu ky = General secretary = Ton That Chuoc

Ton was the General sec for General Tran Thien Kiem in 1971 -

Interesting career Gen. Tran had - One of only 2: 4 stars generals for South VN -

He was at the same time: Interior Minister/Minister of defense and Prime Minister -

He was involved in a few coups too -


The Captain was with "Advance team 60"?

The 2nd DD603 was signed by a Mil intelligence fella?
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