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Unlocking smartphones without permission illegal after Friday
did anyone see this ?
what a bunch of BS once a phone is paid for or contract has expired, you still have to get "permission" to unlock your own phone ? i dont even do cell phones and it piss's me off the DMCA needs to go grrrrrrrrr ... Quote:
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Doesn't affect rooting or jailbreaking.
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ETA Jailbreaking is legal for enhancement of s/w not unlocking the sim Quote:
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Last edited by Jeepers; 01-26-2013 at 12:37 AM.. |
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i once was a "hardware hacker" and this piss's me off i agree i own what i pay for and should be able to do with it what i want .....
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Last edited by 2shotjoe; 01-26-2013 at 1:16 AM.. |
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maybe i am misreading it ,not arguing as i said i dont even own a cell phone so dont know squat about "jailbreaking" other then it gains "root" for software enhancment , but the way i read it is you can not unlock the carrier even with jailbreaking and stay within the DMCA
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if so, i understand why its still legal and has nothing to do with this new changes to the DMCA and unlocking legally owned phones without permission from the orig carrier
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Rooting actually only gives you root access. It doesn't modify the OS. Installing a different ROM could replace the OS.
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is there some kind of database that the carriers share where if they see something unlocked, they'll report? i don't unlock phones but it'd be nice if i want to switch carrier but don't want a new phone.
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I am sure that "it's Bush's[/Republican's] fault, and you're a racist..."
I have 2 phones that don't even have a Cyanogenmod build (or any 2.3 for those yet), so this is crap, as those will have to be replaced so the lady doesn't get pissed upon "new phone time"... |
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Its nonsensical. The big carriers already have their fees when you cancel to cover themselves. You own the phone.
Bull****. |
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You can turn off the GPS locator features, and the cell tower locator features too, on most phones, I think.
I've always wondered if those settings can be overriden by the phone company, in order to track you, if say the cops asked them to or showed them a warrant. |
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Kinda like owning a vehicle. |
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This is a rather strange law really, in some countries (eg. Singapore), the reverse is true. It is illegal for the service providers to lock the phones to them, this allows for easier change of provider.
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You pay a fee if you cancel before your contract is up. That is your punishment. They shouldnt be able to tell you that you cant use another carrier when you have satisfied your contract or paid the contract cancellation fee. |
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Also this only applies to phone bought from no on. While this is still bull**** its a non issue for some of us currently. However I plan on getting a new phone eventually so I will be fighting/*****ing about this.
And good info about Rooting. Rooting does only give you root access it does not change the ROM. ROMs are still built off of the original OS however they are tweaked. To call them different operating systems would be inaccurate. Popular example would be the CM Roms. CM10 is based of of Jellybean the most recent OS update to the Android OS. There are multiple versions of CM10, as well as different ROMs entirely. Someone can correct me if Im wrong. |
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Derivative ROM=One reworked from orig. stock
A.O.S.P. / From source=Cyanogen, or the like... includes little (if any) from stock ROM that came on your phone... Rooting give you complete access to remove stock apps, or change the ROM at will in general if avail. |
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The new prohibition really only affects cellphone users who aren't good at math. Cellphone contracts and subsidised phones have always been a losing proposition for the consumer.
Don't like the new rules? I don't either -- it is a flagrant abuse of consumer rights -- but easy to circumvent. Never renew a cellphone contract, never buy a locked phone. If everyone followed those two principles the major carriers would have that ruling turned over pretty quick.
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I'll never buy another Motorola due to the Locking of the bootloader in the Droid2 and DroidX, w/no way to unlock nor better the device.
I am not sure I will ever go back to Verizon because of this either... |
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I understand where they are coming from if you were able to get out of the contract and they take a hit. However like I said thats not the case.
Glad I cleared it up for ya |
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I deleted so much bloat ware... thats the only reason I rooted it too. I didnt even flash ROMs until I got my Nexus. |
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I read that after the I believe it was referenced as 6.21, a SBF downgrade was required to be able to exploit it. I had root on my Droid2, but since it was out of service (and I changed providers) I did a manual upgrade (stupid me) to MY Droid2, and then couldn't gain root access, so I had to drop EU firmware on that too to get root... and can't replace the ROM anymore due to the bootloader & kernel being locked or something. Now I use the Droid2 as a one-trick-pony, AKA dashcam. |
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1> The logic is, if they subsidize your phone, they have the right to lock the phone to their network until it's paid off. Just like if you rent a car in CA, Enterprise will only travel in CA, OR, and NV, or you have to pay more (don't know if this still true, I rent Alamo now). Or you can think of it as a lien on your car title. If you buy factory unlock phone, then you can use it anywhere you want since you actually own it.
2> OK, what if I unlock my phone? what are they gonna do about it? nada !!! Since ATT and Verizon are not cops, they can't enforce the law. Ban me from their network? Well, they don't get pay handsomely every 1st of the month. 3> Ok, it's copyright violation. So is pirated DVD and download stuff. See how well the law is enforced. They are most likely to go after service providers, rather than end users, since it's not cost effective. But then, do you think China will hand their people over for that? All in all, it doesn't change much of anything. |
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This is why many phones are comming unlocked from the actual phone company, I know the iphone5 is unlocked on all its carriers, and I think the S3 is also...
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Don't do this. Don't do that. Anyone feeling overburdened with regulations?
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